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Nikon ZR for street and travel.

Given the attraction of the ZR as a sort of full-frame Ricoh GR for street and travel, these two blog posts might be of interest to some.

They are fairly long, and at the end there are links to YouTube videos on the same topic. It will be interesting to see if the rumour of Nikon bringing out a stills orientated version of the ZR comes to pass, as it seems a promising footprint for a digital Nikon S.





Jack Wang is a research scientist by day and street photographer by night, with a distinctive writing and video presentation style, based in Australia.

Originally a Fuji and Leica M user, but Nikon replaced the Fujis some time ago (years). He has also recently added an Olympus OM3 to his kit, and his last big trip (to Tokyo) was with the Olympus and the ZR.
 
Nikon ZR for street and travel.

Given the attraction of the ZR as a sort of full-frame Ricoh GR for street and travel, these two blog posts might be of interest to some.

They are fairly long, and at the end there are links to YouTube videos on the same topic. It will be interesting to see if the rumour of Nikon bringing out a stills orientated version of the ZR comes to pass, as it seems a promising footprint for a digital Nikon S.





Jack Wang is a research scientist by day and street photographer by night, with a distinctive writing and video presentation style, based in Australia.

Originally a Fuji and Leica M user, but Nikon replaced the Fujis some time ago (years). He has also recently added an Olympus OM3 to his kit, and his last big trip (to Tokyo) was with the Olympus and the ZR.
Isn't the ZR a cinema / video camera rather than a stills for street / travel vlogging
 
They are fairly long, and at the end there are links to YouTube videos on the same topic. It will be interesting to see if the rumour of Nikon bringing out a stills orientated version of the ZR comes to pass, as it seems a promising footprint for a digital Nikon S.
That's one of the main reasons I haven't bought a ZR because I'm hoping they make a stills orientated version of the camera and given the A7C series seem to be good sellers.
 
That's one of the main reasons I haven't bought a ZR because I'm hoping they make a stills orientated version of the camera and given the A7C series seem to be good sellers.
that would be a 24mpx full frame?
 
Isn't the ZR a cinema / video camera rather than a stills for street / travel vlogging
No, although all the marketing is aimed at videographers in reality it's the same sensor as the Z6 III with a far bigger / nicer screen but no EVF. Flash sync speed limited to 1/60. Ergonomics are great and it's small and light. If they do bring out a stills focussed version at the right price they will sell tons but i'm not sure if it's viable, surely it would just eat into Z5II, ZF and Z6 III sales ?
 
No, although all the marketing is aimed at videographers in reality it's the same sensor as the Z6 III with a far bigger / nicer screen but no EVF. Flash sync speed limited to 1/60. Ergonomics are great and it's small and light. If they do bring out a stills focussed version at the right price they will sell tons but i'm not sure if it's viable, surely it would just eat into Z5II, ZF and Z6 III sales ?
The lack of an EVF is a killer for me. I really cannot manage without an EVF as I would need reading glasses to see the screen sharply. I do not like varifocals so that kills it.
Cannot really complain about my Zf, Z8 and Z9 except for the weight.
 
The lack of an EVF is a killer for me. I really cannot manage without an EVF as I would need reading glasses to see the screen sharply. I do not like varifocals so that kills it.
Cannot really complain about my Zf, Z8 and Z9 except for the weight.
get down the gym Jonathon if I can manage at 80 you can :p:p:p:banana::banana:
 
that would be a 24mpx full frame?
The A7C and A7CII are 24MP FF, the A7CR is 61MP with the ZR sitting between the two in price (closer to the A7CII). The A7C is a good bit smaller than the ZR although looking at the Z-mount design on the ZR, I guess that limits the size? I've toyed with the A7CR but I don't like being split across two systems.
No, although all the marketing is aimed at videographers in reality it's the same sensor as the Z6 III with a far bigger / nicer screen but no EVF. Flash sync speed limited to 1/60. Ergonomics are great and it's small and light. If they do bring out a stills focussed version at the right price they will sell tons but i'm not sure if it's viable, surely it would just eat into Z5II, ZF and Z6 III sales ?
On the flip side, it maybe eats into Sony A7C sales? Reading discussions about the ZR there definitely is a demand for a small Nikon body to use a second camera especially to the bigger models like the Z8.
 
The A7C and A7CII are 24MP FF, the A7CR is 61MP with the ZR sitting between the two in price (closer to the A7CII). The A7C is a good bit smaller than the ZR although looking at the Z-mount design on the ZR, I guess that limits the size? I've toyed with the A7CR but I don't like being split across two systems.

On the flip side, it maybe eats into Sony A7C sales? Reading discussions about the ZR there definitely is a demand for a small Nikon body to use a second camera especially to the bigger models like the Z8.
It's possible but Sony users seem to stick because of the huge range of glass available. I suppose they could adapt.
 
Isn't the ZR a cinema / video camera rather than a stills for street / travel vlogging
While the marketing is selling it as a specialist (mini Red) video camera, it is still based on the Z6III, with most of the same Expeed 7 features, and several people have taken advantage of the smaller body to use the camera for stills.
 
The lack of an EVF is a killer for me. I really cannot manage without an EVF as I would need reading glasses to see the screen sharply. I do not like varifocals so that kills it.
Cannot really complain about my Zf, Z8 and Z9 except for the weight.
That's exactly what I do, reading glasses. For me the bigger range of shots / flexibility of using the screen over an EVF is an advantage. I'm too old to be laying on the ground looking through an EVF and then there's the overhead shots.......

I can understand why wildlife photographers want the EVF though, sports less so.
 
While the marketing is selling it as a specialist (mini Red) video camera, it is still based on the Z6III, with most of the same Expeed 7 features, and several people have taken advantage of the smaller body to use the camera for stills.
That's me for sure.
 
That's one of the main reasons I haven't bought a ZR because I'm hoping they make a stills orientated version of the camera and given the A7C series seem to be good sellers.
It's not at the top of my wish list, but a stills version, even if it only had an add on EVF, would make it an attractive option.
 
It's not at the top of my wish list, but a stills version, even if it only had an add on EVF, would make it an attractive option.
Why would they make an add on EVF ? It would be costly to develop and probably about £350 to buy, utterly pointless.
Z5II 620g
ZR 540g
EVF accessory ?
 
No, although all the marketing is aimed at videographers in reality it's the same sensor as the Z6 III with a far bigger / nicer screen but no EVF. Flash sync speed limited to 1/60. Ergonomics are great and it's small and light. If they do bring out a stills focussed version at the right price they will sell tons but i'm not sure if it's viable, surely it would just eat into Z5II, ZF and Z6 III sales ?
I think this will depend on what they do with it. I still think most people still want a viewfinder, and whether they add a mechanical shutter to the stills version.

If they went the whole hog and made it a rangefinder style version of the ZF, then I think they may well get people buying in addition to their "main" camera.
 
The lack of an EVF is a killer for me. I really cannot manage without an EVF as I would need reading glasses to see the screen sharply. I do not like varifocals so that kills it.
Cannot really complain about my Zf, Z8 and Z9 except for the weight.
Yes, the lack of an EVF, is the main drawback for me as well. I'm not as anti using the rear monitor as I used to be, but like to have the choice.
 
Why would they make an add on EVF ? It would be costly to develop and probably about £350 to buy, utterly pointless.
Z5II 620g
ZR 540g
EVF accessory ?
It's about choice. I still prefer a viewfinder, and I am very reluctant to spend money on anything that doesn't have one.

It doesn't matter if it ends up heavier/bigger than than the alternatives with built in viewfinders, because when I want the lighter weight and easier form factor to slip into a jacket pocket, I could use it without the viewfinder, but then add the viewfinder for everyday use.
 
I used to think that about a lack of viewfinder myself, especially after owning for a short time a Nikon Z30 which also lacked a viewfinder.

However on speaking to a mate of mine who's recently picked up a ZR (and he's older than me probably with poorer eyesight), he has told me the screen is a revelation. Is so big and bright (even outside in the sun - which we still get once a year), that he said he really doesn't miss it not having a viewfinder at all ?
 
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That's exactly what I do, reading glasses. For me the bigger range of shots / flexibility of using the screen over an EVF is an advantage. I'm too old to be laying on the ground looking through an EVF and then there's the overhead shots.......

I can understand why wildlife photographers want the EVF though, sports less so.
Sports is more beneficial to have an EVF
 
I used to think that about a lack of viewfinder myself, especially after owning for a short time a Nikon Z30 which also lacked a viewfinder.

However on speaking to a mate of mine who's recently picked up a ZR (and he's older than me probably with poorer eyesight), he has told me the screen is a revelation. Is so big and bright (even outside in the sun - which we still get once a year), that he said he really doesn't miss it not having a viewfinder at all ?
There are few people saying this, including the person in the links I posted.
 
It's possible but Sony users seem to stick because of the huge range of glass available. I suppose they could adapt.
I'm more thinking of Nikon users wanting a small camera. Between the Nikon ZR and the Sony A7CR, I'd lean towards the Sony because it's better as a stills camera even though I'd prefer another Nikon body.

For a compact second camera where size is important I'm fine with not having an EVF to get the size down, I use an RX1R in a similar role which doesn't have an EVF which doesn't bother me. There is a small EVF on the RX100mk7 but I don't find it that useful.
 
I'm more thinking of Nikon users wanting a small camera. Between the Nikon ZR and the Sony A7CR, I'd lean towards the Sony because it's better as a stills camera even though I'd prefer another Nikon body.

For a compact second camera where size is important I'm fine with not having an EVF to get the size down, I use an RX1R in a similar role which doesn't have an EVF which doesn't bother me. There is a small EVF on the RX100mk7 but I don't find it that useful.
Totally different beasts, 61Mp vs 24Mp for a start.

Crappy EVF and screen on the Sony but it has the EVF.

Crappy build quality on the Sony.

IMO a better option if someone wants more resolution would be a Fuji X-T5, 40Mp, nice EVF and Screen.

I just think Sony bodies are awful, as I say I think the huge range of native and third party glass is the biggest appeal.

AF performance is subjective. Never missed a shot on the ZF or ZR.

Now a ZR style body with 45Mp would get my attention.
 
Totally different beasts, 61Mp vs 24Mp for a start.

Crappy EVF and screen on the Sony but it has the EVF.

Crappy build quality on the Sony.

IMO a better option if someone wants more resolution would be a Fuji X-T5, 40Mp, nice EVF and Screen.

I just think Sony bodies are awful, as I say I think the huge range of native and third party glass is the biggest appeal.

AF performance is subjective. Never missed a shot on the ZF or ZR.

Now a ZR style body with 45Mp would get my attention.
They're not totally different beasts at all, they're two options if you want a compact FF body (which the Fuji isn't). There's clearly a lot of personal preference in your post and I don't agree with anything you've said about Sony, I much prefer the build, design and size/weight of the A9 compared to the Z8 but the Nikon has advantages which means I can accept its compromises.

A ZR style body with 45MP or stills focused ZR camera would be great...but the rather obvious problem no such camera exists.
 
I used to think that about a lack of viewfinder myself, especially after owning for a short time a Nikon Z30 which also lacked a viewfinder.

However on speaking to a mate of mine who's recently picked up a ZR (and he's older than me probably with poorer eyesight), he has told me the screen is a revelation. Is so big and bright (even outside in the sun - which we still get once a year), that he said he really doesn't miss it not having a viewfinder at all ?
I really like the idea of larger lcd on zr. It could be even bigger.
If i manage to 99% avoid evf by using antiquated spec 3in lcd, this would be so very nice. Zr is a very wrong choice for me due to other reasons though
 
What I’m finding limiting at the moment is reasonably priced Z mount FF lenses , every time I find something that looks attractive once I delve in to reviews all excited only to find out there DX lenses .. might even have another look at the Z50ii as a back up spare .. got pretty good coverage with my F mount collection but I would rather have all Z ones . Hmmmmm
 
What I’m finding limiting at the moment is reasonably priced Z mount FF lenses , every time I find something that looks attractive once I delve in to reviews all excited only to find out there DX lenses .. might even have another look at the Z50ii as a back up spare .. got pretty good coverage with my F mount collection but I would rather have all Z ones . Hmmmmm
Tamron is your best bet at the moment. I presume you will soon need e or l mount for viltrox and others...
 
Tamron is your best bet at the moment. I presume you will soon need e or l mount for viltrox and others...
Did look at a couple of the tamron lenses , but stopped when in the description it came up with DX .at the moment the Z50ii looks a good back up option that I don’t really need LOL
 
Did look at a couple of the tamron lenses , but stopped when in the description it came up with DX .at the moment the Z50ii looks a good back up option that I don’t really need LOL
Tamron have the Full Frame 28-75 & 70-180 both f2.8. Get the G2 version.
 
Tamron have the Full Frame 28-75 & 70-180 both f2.8. Get the G2 version.
Neither range have much appeal for me Trevor , not really in need of anything ,just wishful thinking been looking at a 28-300 Nikon this afternoon .current lenses are
Nikon Z 180-600
Nikon Z 24-70S
Nikon Z 1 .4 tc
FTZ ii
"………..
Nikon F 70-200f4
180 f1.8
24-120 f3.5
2x tc 20Eiii
Sigma 150 F2.8 macro
And 18-30 F 3.5 in the post
Might even use some of these one day LOL
 
Decent price considering, but I think I paid £1800 for the MkI version close to release and it can be had for £1479 new from e-infin now.
A £800 of difference between the MkI & MkII is quite a step.
Although the MkI is an excellent lens, I rarely use my 70-200mm f/2.8 S so it'll probably be with me until either I die or it dies, the new 24-70mm f/2.8 S II though is a lens I could update to as I never liked the extending zoom of the original.
 
Has anyone got the Nikon Z 105mm MC f2.8 marco lens? I thought I’d ask opinions on it as I potentially fancy a change (will probably look to pass on my Nikon 70-180 f2.8 as I’ve hardly used it).

I’ve had a macro lens in the past on the Nikon d750. I liked it but bit of a niche lens. I want to do more photography and macro could potentially be something to help me get back into more photography.

I’m off to the NEC at the weekend so should get a chance to try one out if I take the Z8 with me.
 
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Has anyone got the Nikon Z 105mm MC f2.8 marco lens? I thought I’d ask opinions on it as I potentially fancy a change (will probably look to pass on my Nikon 70-180 f2.8 as I’ve hardly used it).

I’ve had a macro lens in the past on the Nikon d750. I liked it but bit of a niche lens. I want to do more photography and macro could potentially be something to help me get back into more photography.

I’m off to the NEC at the weekend so should get a chance to try one out if I take the Z8 with me.

It’s a superb lens and one of the best in the Z range. The only downside is that it doesn’t take teleconverters.
 
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