In your position I would rent or borrow a 24-70 for the day.
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In your position I would rent or borrow a 24-70 for the day.
Your reading my mind ,but the closest rental place is 150 miles aways, Jessops as 3 in stock at £1245 but I will be pushing my luck with the wife £4700 in one month ouch
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I've read some reviews on that, and so long as you don't mind the fact it extends when zooming, it'll do the job nicely. Actually the Nikon does a little, only in reverse ... erm, never mind that.
Best of luck with it. And don't go worrying about how many shots and the pressure on your system when processing! Just shoot! After the event, make a copy to your HD from the cards of the RAW files. Leave that there safe ...
Then ... go through the files on cam, and delete as you go along. This is what I do most times. You can tell in an instant, even on the LCD, if you're going to use that file or not. Wittle it down to the best shots,nobody needs 100 versions of the same image.
After you've culled the crap, then reload that set to your pc/laptop, give the folder a new name like "Kids field day RAWS" and drag that into LR - from there process away, and export to another new folder "Field day processes" or whatever - easily separated from the RAW files. Don't move the RAW folder until you're completely satisfied with the processed jpegs, in case you need to go back and re-tweak.
It's all very simple once you do it a few times, just don't worry. Once you have that initial first clone off the card someplace safe, worst case is you'll have to go re-processes again if you make a boo-boo.
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I take issue with people who say it's too slow for this or that, all the time. I know some sports photographers feel the need to have blistering speed when it comes to fps, but seriously - I have used mine for chasing the kids around the garden - they move as fast as any sports player [in a small space], and I've never missed a good shot. I rarely ever use a camera in burst mode. I'm a single frame shooter ... I catch people mid-air, on the move, running, jumping etc ... some shooters need the crutch of a dozen shots per second, to make sure ... some need just that one well timed shot ... it really depends on you, not the gear. Of course having 12fps is a bonus, but I bet most times those shooters are spending too much time deleting the 11 files they don't want to keep that 1 good 'un. And also, it will fill your actuation count a hell of a lot faster if you were bursting all the time.
The D800 does everything every other camera does. It may just require a little more patience, and forward thinking.
When I see people say that it's useless for sports or even more extreme 'no good off a tripod' - I just laugh. I really do.
If it's working for you for sports, then why even ask? You know it works
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Your reading my mind ,but the closest rental place is 150 miles aways, Jessops as 3 in stock at £1245 but I will be pushing my luck with the wife £4700 in one month ouch
Can't you use one of the online rental places.
This place seems well rated although I have not used them personally.
http://www.lensesforhire.co.uk/
Be careful with the Tamron 24-70 it seems to be difficult to get a good copy.
Get the pixel vertex one. Seems the best option. I use the Meike and does the job perfectly fine
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I am toying with getting a D800 for my wildlife stuff , FPS is of no concern as I shoot single shot anyway.
Two questions:-
1. I wear spectacles, any problems with the slightly reduced eyepoint of the viewfinder with other spectacle wearers. Never an issue with my D700 but it has gone from 18mm to 17mm, so I thought I would ask.
2. In the various in camera crop modes 1.2, 5:4, DX ... do these settings apply to the raw images, thus reducing file sizes.
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Two questions:-
1. I wear spectacles, any problems with the slightly reduced eyepoint of the viewfinder with other spectacle wearers. Never an issue with my D700 but it has gone from 18mm to 17mm, so I thought I would ask.
2. In the various in camera crop modes 1.2, 5:4, DX ... do these settings apply to the raw images, thus reducing file sizes.
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Not with me, no. The dioptre adjustment is pretty good though, so I set that and take my specs off to shoot.
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Thanks David
Removing the specs is not an option, I need them on to find the subject to start with
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Thank you for all your help, i will follow as you said and keep the raw files just in cases.
I have tried the copy and paste preset you told me and it worked great.
After testing the lenses i have, the 50mm is definitely sharper and quick to focus in comparison to my 24-85VR.
I will get the 24-70 and 70-200 2.8 at one point but i need to wait a bit as going to Pro sec bump my kit price a bit
The 85mm 1.8G is my only purchase for next week and then i will have to wait a couple a month before buying the better lenses.
Don't really want the tamron now that i know he extend.
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Ive been flicking through this discussion and it seems to have made my mind up! I've got to cull a few old lenses and order a new d800 or maybe the e?
My main concern has been file size but my new pc should be fine. Oil spots seem to be a thing if the past. Watch this space (hope the wife doesn't see this post)
My main concern has been file size but my new pc should be fine. Oil spots seem to be a thing if the past. Watch this space (hope the wife doesn't see this post)
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I have no problems computer wise the speck on the one my son and I built is well capable of handling D800 files and I can always add a couple of 4 TB hard drives if necessary.
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If you missed it I really struggled with which to get, the D800 or the D600. The D800e having done a lot of research I don't think warrants the extra cost over the D800.
What really swung it for me was the D800 has a 10 pin connector for using a remote of my choice and not stuck with an infrared as with the D600. I would have gone for the D700 had they still been producing it but didn't really like the idea of a second hand one you never know really how they have been looked after.
If they had offered a conversion for the D300 from crop to full frame that would have been my choice, but they havn't and the D600 is a semi pro camera (nothing wrong with that) but I fancied to go the whole hog and plumbed for the D800. Bit of a jump D300 to D800 I know but having come up from the D70s to D200 to D300 the D800 is a logical step in my mind at least.
Shall keep my D300 its too good to sell, and still has an advantage of 7/8 fps with the battery pack (en-el4a) and now I will have a choice. The video side may come in useful but I have a decent camcorder which will be my first choice of this medium.
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If you missed it I really struggled with which to get, the D800 or the D600. The D800e having done a lot of research I don't think warrants the extra cost over the D800.
What really swung it for me was the D800 has a 10 pin connector for using a remote of my choice and not stuck with an infrared as with the D600. I would have gone for the D700 had they still been producing it but didn't really like the idea of a second hand one you never know really how they have been looked after.
If they had offered a conversion for the D300 from crop to full frame that would have been my choice, but they havn't and the D600 is a semi pro camera (nothing wrong with that) but I fancied to go the whole hog and plumbed for the D800. Bit of a jump D300 to D800 I know but having come up from the D70s to D200 to D300 the D800 is a logical step in my mind at least.
Shall keep my D300 its too good to sell, and still has an advantage of 7/8 fps with the battery pack (en-el4a) and now I will have a choice. The video side may come in useful but I have a decent camcorder which will be my first choice of this medium.
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I use Aperature 3, I find it fine. I use Nik Colour Efx and Silver Efx for my final outputs
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And this coming from a pro sports photographer!!!!!!!!!!!I take issue with people who say it's too slow for this or that, all the time.
When I see people say that it's useless for sports or even more extreme 'no good off a tripod' - I just laugh. I really do.
If it's working for you for sports, then why even ask? You know it works
Well i am and i can tell you that having used it for sports because i forgot my D3S battery, it is woeful, the AF system stacks up very well but the 4fps is absolute rubbish for fast moving field sports, capturing the exact right moment means you either get paid or you dont, the 9fps/11fps of the D3S will get you published and paid every time.
If i had to choose purely for sports i would go a gripped D700 and 8fps every single time over the D800, i did for 2 years using the D700 as my second body with 70-200mm attached until i could afford another D3S, in all honesty i would also choose a gripped D300/300S over the D800 if it were purely for sports.
It's certainly not a camera for sports, however it can easily track very fast subjects and the actual AF accuracy has a higher keeper rate than the D700 @ 8fps. It is the same as the D4 in terms of af module used,Just doesn't have the buffer and burst.
Definitely not a pro sports photographers choice though
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Yup, the AF is great, no bother in that respect.
I use mine as a 3rd body for shooting ground, fans, after match type stuff but for during the game and capturing peak action it stays firmly in the Peli case.
Ad a look at your gallery and i can only say WOW:1st:
Don"t know how your doing it, but your photos are so vivid and the colour are amazing.
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Thanks fellas. just struggling updating it after covering 7 matches over 2 days at the Etihad this weekend
Of about 30 photos published in both trade RL papers this morning all except 2 were mine, i wouldnt have acheived that with the D800
Of about 30 photos published in both trade RL papers this morning all except 2 were mine, i wouldnt have acheived that with the D800
Is the speed only the main issue or image quality .
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A little obnoxious there, no? You never have an opinion or just use basic common sense regarding other forms of photography you're not paid to shoot?? I didn't realise we had to be full pro level to comment on any certain type of photography here. The guy I was actually responding to already said he uses it for motorsport and Polo ... you're now saying it's useless for that purpose are you? he's already shooting it with the D800 ... or did you miss that post and just go straight to jumping at me for no good reason? I didn't even know you shot sports, that's how un-related to you my post was.
You may not have gotten as many images, but seriously, you're saying 4fps [6fps with a cheap grip] and you wouldn't get any good shots using a D800? You'd just have to be more selective ...
I've seen shots across many sites at motorsport, cycling, track and field,football, ice hockey etc, etc events ... shot using the D800. I never saw those guys moan that it wasn't fast enough for sports.
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I think the discussion about the fps is similar to the discussion about the af on the d600. There are a very few who actually really need it, and for those it is of course a valid concern. For the other 95% it is not relevant. I only need the centre focus point for 99.9% of my photos, even for my playing children and I need more than 4fps maybe in 2-3%, or rather they might be beneficial there. The lack of these features is for my purposes greatly outweighed by other things these cameras offer. I guess it is like this for 99% of the users. When these 98% discuss these features it is probably more out of technical interest than because they really need these features.
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Not really obnoxious now was it, more stating fact which you disagree with and with which i have no problems with.
I shoot sports professionally, the D800 isnt a camera for that, simple as.
Of course people will get good sports related photographs with the D800 just as they did with the D200, D60, Canon 10D or whatever make or model came before it, but none of those or the D800 are cameras built specifically with sports in mind.
And while you can get almost 6fps in DX mode at 15mp (Not just with a grip as you suggest) that sort of defeats the purpose of having a 35mp camera in the first place, if you shoot in FX you only shoot a max 4fps regardless of wether or not you stick a grip on it, the only way you get an increase in fps of any sort is to shoot heavily cropped in DX mode.
I did read about what "Chrisbie" said about being happy with what he shoots, i was happy shooting with my old Canon 10d until i bought a 1DMKIIN, stick a D3S in his hands and for sports stuff i 100% guarantee he wont pick the D800 up ever again
Maybe i could have phrased my initial comments a little differently but your occasional shooting of energetic kids round the garden simply doesn't have any comparisson to shooting sports and capturing peak action, but yes, the D800 will more than suffice for that type of "garden sport" photography.
Heck the D800 is so good i bought one, just not for sports.
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You only get 6fps in DX crop mode, so why not just use a D700 or a D3s?
The D800 is SLOOOW... and not a camera I'd be confident shooting sports or press with. When you're getting paid for your images, and there are others there who will pick up the shots you miss, you can't be selective.
The D800 is really a crap camera for sports and press work.
...but for everything else, I can think of nothing better.
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Only difference is the added sharpness due to the weaker/removal of the anti Moire filter
Those who spent the extra dosh seem happy to have done so
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There was a thread on that recently, but damned if I can find it even although I remember posting on it. I seem to recall that opinion slanted to the price difference having become OTT.
I am happy with my D800E.
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A word of warning:
I used to happily shoot my D300 with spot AF for a couple of years. At the same time, I used to be frustrated by the amount of Exposure Compensation needed in certain situations (although I found that it generally overexposed by 0.3EV anyway).
Then I read an article by Nikon guru Thom Hogan, which explained that AF point selection affected metering. I couldn't believe it. I tried it myself, and sure enough he was right. If you choose spot AF, the exposure calculation is biased towards certain scene types (Nikon has a big database of scene types, characterised by patterns of light dark and colour).
Ever since then, I generally used Matrix/Full AF (or whatever it's called), and found that I needed less variation in Exposure Compensation.
I dunno if this applies to the D800, but I don't see why it wouldn't.
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I was going to buy a D400, which was looking more and more mythical. I always fancied full-frame too. With the D800 I get both: full frame and 16MP DX.
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I shoot pretty much what you do mate and have had the 800 for a while now, just got back from a week in the Hebrides.
My thoughts, the AF is better than the 700, it crucifies any bad glass and habits you may have. You have to get serious shutter speed if hand holding, it is very unforgiving in that regards. I was photographing a female hen harrier hand held in strong wind, no option available to me, the results would have been better with my 700. However, I got a curlew hunting and eating a crab, fairly large crop, the 700 would not have produced that result.
So, I keep both, they have good points and bad points. But by christ can you crop into the D800 shots, it makes the 500 more like a 1000.
FPS does not bother me that much any more, it is handy on occasions, but the 700 covers that.The high ISO quality is very close to the 700.
I got fed up of waiting for the mythical new crop body, the D800 covers that pretty well.You can shoot in DX mode if you want higher FPS and want smaller files, or the various other modes I have the Fn button set to alter that easily enough.
It is a good camera, you can come up and have a bash with mine if you want, before you buy.
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Cheers for that Ade, I was looking at a D4, but the crop ability of the D800 if required is a big plus, that and the fact it is lighter and cheaper ... I may be getting wealthier but I am not getting any younger
Do you have the D800 or D800e? From my investigation there is not much between them.
At the current difference I would consider if you realy need the slightly sharper E.
Having ownes both it is sharper, by how much thats hard to say. I know I use at most half the amount of sharpening in light room compaired to the standard d800.
Also might be worth considering moire as its ment to inhibit this more also. Ive noticed it a few times the most notable was recently when shoiting a bird... either a duck or pigeon I cant remeber and it was wide open either with a 50 1.8 or 70-200 .
on my phone so cant check but will post the shot later for u to see. It wasnt that bad though. But sometjing I never notuced with my d700.
You alos get nx2 with the E which alone is worth nearly £200. Again I would consider id uou wouls actualy use it or not..ive still not.
I only went for the E after my d800 was returned due to a fault and them not having the standard back instock before my trip, plus they payed 2/3 of the difference.
Had this not been the case it would probanly have been the standard I bought again.
Having ownes both it is sharper, by how much thats hard to say. I know I use at most half the amount of sharpening in light room compaired to the standard d800.
Also might be worth considering moire as its ment to inhibit this more also. Ive noticed it a few times the most notable was recently when shoiting a bird... either a duck or pigeon I cant remeber and it was wide open either with a 50 1.8 or 70-200 .
on my phone so cant check but will post the shot later for u to see. It wasnt that bad though. But sometjing I never notuced with my d700.
You alos get nx2 with the E which alone is worth nearly £200. Again I would consider id uou wouls actualy use it or not..ive still not.
I only went for the E after my d800 was returned due to a fault and them not having the standard back instock before my trip, plus they payed 2/3 of the difference.
Had this not been the case it would probanly have been the standard I bought again.