Nikon D800......

Pookeyhead said:
Nooooo.....

It;s fine. I've left mine exposing until the battery crapped out with no problems. There is NO danger of overheating, or damage.

When people refer to "hot" pixels, it's noise generated by, yes.. high temps, but it's not dangerous... you'll just get the odd random red, green or blue pixel.. easy retouched.
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Cool... thanks for that info...:thumbs:
 
has anyone had any trouble with shooting on the scandisk extreme pro's and reading directly on the SD card slot on a mac pro?
 
No problems here.... well, at work. I use PCs here, but I've not had a problem with Sandisk Extreme cards with any device or card reader.
 
I had a surprise the other day.

My brother in law had taken a few pics with my D800, but he only knows fully automatic compacts, so the pictures were drastically underexposed in those areas which mattered (he wanted to take a picture of a person while standing with her in a dark space while the background behind her was very bright daylight (glaring sun), and the metering was set to Matrix). So the person was entirely black when viewed on the camera's monitor.

After loading the NEF into Lightroom and exporting to jpg, without any processing on my part (I also don't have any automatic processing during import in LR), the picture looked perfect. Everything in the image was perfectly exposed and visible, with nice, clean colours.

I wonder, what happened there? Did Lightroom fix the problem automatically because all the info was actually in the NEF (high dynamic range)? Is that possible?
 
nus123 said:
has anyone had any trouble with shooting on the scandisk extreme pro's and reading directly on the SD card slot on a mac pro?
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you mean a macbook pro (the mac pro has no SD slot) - no issues at all
 
Did my little event shoot today and it went really well, don't know about sport but crazy running kids was no problem on continuous shooting, I don't think I mist any.
All really sharp due also to the 24-70 2.8 I hired for the day.
I really want that lens now, don't think I can come back to my 24-85VR :(
I found the D800 a great camera for event ,very comfortable with any situation.
 
If i am primarily shooting photos, i cannot decide between 2 cards.

i can get 2x32gb sandisk extremes for the same price as 1x 32gb extreme pro?? will i really notice a difference on the d800 between the 2 for photos?
 
nus123 said:
If i am primarily shooting photos, i cannot decide between 2 cards.

i can get 2x32gb sandisk extremes for the same price as 1x 32gb extreme pro?? will i really notice a difference on the d800 between the 2 for photos?
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I have both and cannot see any difference
 
nus123 said:
If i am primarily shooting photos, i cannot decide between 2 cards.

i can get 2x32gb sandisk extremes for the same price as 1x 32gb extreme pro?? will i really notice a difference on the d800 between the 2 for photos?
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No.
 
You will not feel a difference in the camera, but you may feel quite a difference when importing the images into the computer, provided you're using a fast protocol like USB 3 or Thunderbolt.

The difference between 95 Mb/s and 45 Mb/s is noticeable with our filesizes, if you use USB3.
 
AchimT said:
I wonder, what happened there? Did Lightroom fix the problem automatically because all the info was actually in the NEF (high dynamic range)? Is that possible?
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Yep. The only thing that doesn't fit here is that you say you don't have any automated processing in LR. You sure? Sounds like it's doing an auto exposure adjustment (which is can do and probably works pretty well with a D800 images that's underexposed by a stop or so).
 
I have to check this again, but for all I know, I have no automatic activities enabled during import. But maybe I have something enabled and am not aware of it.

I have to look into this in detail next weekend!
 
An interesting experiment with the D800, 24mm f1.4 and 0.9 Grad ND filter - sunset at Godrevy Lighthouse ... impressed with the detail it retains.






 
That really is very impressive Gramps. Can I ask how are you getting on with the D800? Do you use your D3s and D800 for different purposes or do you find yourself reaching for one camera over the other now?

I ask as I've been toying with the idea of selling my D3s to purchase a D800 and unfortunately I can only afford one so it will need to become a jack of all trades.

I believe my lens collection would be ok, perhaps not great but still ok, and I have quite a modern MBP so dealing with the large image files shouldn't be too bad.

My concern though is reading the reports on here about showing up bad technique with the D800. Im just a hobbyist and as such i expect my technique is not as good as it could be.

Any thoughts? I'm tempted to hire a D800 to try it out in my own hands, but if I can save the £100 to do that then all the better :)

Additionally, I should mention that I no longer need the fantastic frame rate that the D3s offers as my photography has changed somewhat lately.
 
Osmo, I enjoy using the D800 and the resolution and detail it can achieve is quite outstanding, I do find that I have to take extra care with handholding and getting maximum detail in the RAW file from accurate exposure otherwise it can introduce noise/blur.
Like you I am a hobbyist but for me it isn't as simple as D3S or D800, they are two very different animals and I still use the D3S for times when there is a greater demand by reason of action/movement or when I want to use bracketing effectively (I can bracket on a monopod, even handheld, with the D3S but I'm not so effective with the D800 as it is a lot slower than the D3S).
If I was asked to give up either my D3S or D800 I would struggle but if I'm honest I would probably keep the D3S for its versatility over image resolution.
Now if your major 'work' is studio-based or on a tripod then the D800 may be the best camera for you but if you are 'out and about' and using it for action then I would say the D3S might be the better option.
All personal opinion of course and both great cameras in their own right :)
 
Thanks Gramps, appreciate all your comments :)

Nearly all of my photography is out and about and I hardly ever have a tripod with me so hand held is my preference. But as I no longer have time to get to the motor racing events, to use the D3s to its full potential, I was wondering if a change of camera may be a good idea. The image quality, dynamic range and the smaller form factor of the D800 was starting to appeal.

Also, I very rarely print my images so I was wondering if the 36mp was wasted on me somewhat.

I might have to just stop being so tight and hire a D800 for a day to give it a try! I can think of worse things to do with £100 and a day of work!

Thanks again.
 
AchimT said:
You will not feel a difference in the camera, but you may feel quite a difference when importing the images into the computer, provided you're using a fast protocol like USB 3 or Thunderbolt.

The difference between 95 Mb/s and 45 Mb/s is noticeable with our filesizes, if you use USB3.
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The Sandisk 60MB/s CF cards actually read at around 80MB/s
 
hi Osmo, I have a d800e and a d7000, and I have found the d800e is a very unforgiving camera, you need to get all the settings just right - I find it very sensitive to the white balance settings - get it all right and you will get outstanding photographs. The d7000 is a much more easy going camera IMHO. Not tried a d3s.
 
I don't want to nit-pick or wisecrack, so apologies in advance, but can you say that so clearly? There are different read type situations, and the cards all perform differently in different situations.

In sequential reads for example, the non-Pro SD cards reach only 60% of the sequential read speed of the Pro, there's a review on tomshardware.

So if you ensure your image files are written coherently (by using clean cards), the Pro should beat the non-Pro clearly.

If your card is cluttered and the image files are fragmented, then indeed the speed difference should become unnoticeable.
 
I find it just as easy to use as my old D90. I don't get all this "unforgiving" talk that we see on forums. I've never felt that it is.
 
Cagey75 said:
I find it just as easy to use as my old D90. I don't get all this "unforgiving" talk that we see on forums. I've never felt that it is.
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I would suggest there are many more who say its unforgiving than those who dont but that would depend on their style of shooting as well as the lenses they use, myself i find when using hand held i need to double the shutter speed to what my D3S would be to get sharp images, im not talking 1/4000th sec here but at the lower end even with VR activated i cant get a stable sharp image at 1/40th sec with my D800 but with exact same lens on my D3S i can get sharp right down to 1/10th sec

I dont make an issue of it because i just up the ISO to compensate, simple really.

Of course with a tripod there simply isn't any issue at all

You also need to consider that some of us old fogies shake like pooing dogs :lol:
 
You must think im young Gary? :D


Im 37, and have a busted back. But i would say my hands are pretty steady. I just don't see why so many say its unforgiving. Unless they're really shaky. Ive had friends use mine to grab shots of our family, and they always come out sharp once I show them how to hold it.
 
Cagey75 said:
You must think im young Gary? :D


Im 37, and have a busted back. But i would say my hands are pretty steady. I just don't see why so many say its unforgiving. Unless they're really shaky. Ive had friends use mine to grab shots of our family, and they always come out sharp once I show them how to hold it.
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I used to have trouble with my old Canon 10d 6mp camera until i improved my technique regarding how i hold my cameras, and this is i think the main problem users have, its like asking someone who shoots wide angle stuff at lowish shutter speeds to suddenly shoot at the same shutter speeds with a 600mm lens and get sharp results,it just aint gonna happen
 
99 times out of 100 people go to grab and hold my D800 like a compact. Hand either side of it, completely ignoring the lens, then they ask the dreaded "where's the zoom button?" :D Once you show them to rest the lens on their left hand, slap them for asking such things, and pull the camera into their body [they do the arm-length thing usuall too, looking for live view on the lcd] it usually turns out ok. I mean, straightening has gotten so easy in post :)
 
Seriously, I use shorter shutter times with the D800 than with the D600. I just hadn't listed this under 'camera being difficult' but simply done it as a reaction to the fact that I _can_ use these short shutter times with the D800, even at ISO 100. AAMOF, I even have to, as Diffraction starts at 5.6, so I hardly ever use apertures slower than f8. I just use faster shutter speeds.

The arm-length comment is interesting. I did use compacts for a few years, and the viewfinder was one of the things I missed most. I haven't looked at the LCD since I moved back to DSLRs a year ago. How often, and when, do the more experienced (than myself) DSLR users actually use the LCD to compose images?
 
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Only when using a compact, like the Rx100. Of course it's much easier do with a tiny camera,especially one handed. Last thing I shot with that was some pictures of coils for atomizers I built for my vaping devices [aye, ex-smoker, still having the cravings] - it was handy to shoot one handed while I held the coils up in one hand. But I have done similar with the D800, I've shot with it one handed many times. And still got sharp shots, indoors, at low-ish shutter speeds. Maybe people think too much on it when using it?
 
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I don't know.

I have a sharpness issue with a cheap Tele lens I bought from a friend, even at 1/800 or 1/1000, but I think the lens just isn't sharp. I also have a 50mm f1.8 D and a 24-85mm f2.8-4 D, and both produce crips, sharp results consistently.

I took a few pictures in a candle-lit room with the 2.8 zoom (cranked up the ISO to 1600) and the results were ok too.

Could it be that AF problem that some users mentioned with the first batches?
 
I have to say I agree that it's less forgiving than lower MP body's.
I get more off shots compared to my D700, more noticeable with lens like my 85 1.4. I find I need to use slightly higher shutter speeds with this lens to get the same keeper rate.
 
AchimT said:
In my opinion, the D800 is an easy to use camera. It gave me decent results from day one. The main problem is the guy behind the viewfinder ;-)
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+1 shot an entire event with it, with 24-70 f2.8G
and extremely impressed with it and the client is happy.
All shot without tripod indoor and outdoor , 300 kids running about learning about been green.
The client was the national trust.
i was amazed how easy i could get kids running pin sharp using CH and AFS C.
I know the lenses did help but very impressed so far.
1100 shot on one battery :-)
 
Anyone used their D800 for indoor sports in less than ideal lighting conditions?
 
Cagey75 said:
99 times out of 100 people go to grab and hold my D800 like a compact. Hand either side of it, completely ignoring the lens, then they ask the dreaded "where's the zoom button?" :D Once you show them to rest the lens on their left hand, slap them for asking such things, and pull the camera into their body [they do the arm-length thing usuall too, looking for live view on the lcd] it usually turns out ok. I mean, straightening has gotten so easy in post :)
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:lol::lol::lol:
 
Laudrup said:
Anyone used their D800 for indoor sports in less than ideal lighting conditions?
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I used mine outside during a floodlit Rugby match in snowy weather as id left my batteries for the D3S at home so had no choice but to use it as a second body with the 70-200mm, i did get some good photos, AF was fine but overall i'll not be forgetting my D3S batteries again.
 
Write speeds , within reason, only matter once your buffer is full. a 60MB/s card is more than enough unless you are shooting sports on a D3s and regularly fill the buffer... then yeah, a 90MB/s card may be useful.

As for read speeds, here's one of my Sandisk Extreme 60MB/sec CF cards tested with 50MB files.

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The 90MB/s pro card only seems to have faster write times. The read times are actually only 13 MB/s higher than the 60MB/s Sandisks... Hardly worth the extra.



....just trying to save you some cash :)
 
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Pookeyhead said:
...just trying to save you some cash :)
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Thanks!

Agree with you on the write speeds, but have a look at this comparison of sequential read speeds on tomshardware

Especially the Kingston cards, but also the Sandisk Pro cards, in this benchmark are dramatically faster than the non-Pro Sandisk.

I'm not sure what to think. Would be great if you could test a Pro card (or even that Kingston) on your setup too :)
 
I used exactly the same software they did. They're speeds are very low too. They also tested using 4GB files, which is ludicrous, as even a D800 file is only 40-50MB in size. As a real world test that is meaningless unless you're going to actually use your CF card as a mass storage device.

Reading 50 MB RAW files one after the other when downloading a card is an entirely different scenario. When are you ever going to download a single 4GB file from your card?

Although it's hard to say because you linked to a German version of the page, I suspect that's results for SD cards, not CF.

I've already tested the Pro... it reads at 94MB/sec using the same 50MB test.
 
rowland said:
hi Osmo, I have a d800e and a d7000, and I have found the d800e is a very unforgiving camera, you need to get all the settings just right - I find it very sensitive to the white balance settings - get it all right and you will get outstanding photographs. The d7000 is a much more easy going camera IMHO. Not tried a d3s.
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Thanks Rowland, having used a D300 and D3S for a number of years now I'm pretty much ok with the technical aspect of the camera settings (can always learn something though), and am happy to shoot in RAW to correct any 'mistakes' in pp, it was the general technique that I had read about that was making me doubt selling my current camera to buy the D800. Your comment about WB is most definitely noted though. Thanks.
 
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