New modern car advancements ,likes and dislikes.

dejongj said:
I don't believe that for one moment. It is pure and simple "don't care attitude" good customer service and decent manners doesn't cost anything. Too many people just don't care at all.
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Absolutely. Businesses and people screw up but the right gesture, and a genuine apology, can go a long way to restoring a relationship. At the very least, a call from the Dealer Principal offering an olive branch and his cellphone number, with an invitation to call him personally if there are any more problems, would be appropriate. People who are self employed learn this lesson very quickly, if they really need to!
 
John, where was it purchased from? (sorry if I've missed it)

It's time to name & shame imo

I'd also email the sales director, adding a link to this thread & letting them know you'll be escalating & posting it to f-book first thing on Tuesday morning. ;)
 
OldCarlos said:
John, where was it purchased from? (sorry if I've missed it)

It's time to name & shame imo

I'd also email the sales director, adding a link to this thread & letting them know you'll be escalating & posting it to f-book first thing on Tuesday morning. ;)
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It was peoples ford in Halewood.
 
With all the goodies my car has (memory and heated seats, cruise control, parking sensors, leather, big alloys etc) I still can't find it hard to believe that it doesn't have cup-holders!
 
Ricardodaforce said:
With all the goodies my car has (memory and heated seats, cruise control, parking sensors, leather, big alloys etc) I still can't find it hard to believe that it doesn't have cup-holders!
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Ahh, but you would not want to eat, and drink in such a posh car ;).
 
Ricardodaforce said:
With all the goodies my car has (memory and heated seats, cruise control, parking sensors, leather, big alloys etc) I still can't find it hard to believe that it doesn't have cup-holders!
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Or maybe you just haven't found them yet ;) RTFM :P
 
The design of the windscreen on the new Galaxy, is to have a good amount of visibility.

Only niggle for me with the windscreen is,it reflects the grill of the air vents, and other things on the fascia panel. I rigged up my phone in a suction holder, so I could video while driving, hands free. This is with the idea of getting something more permanent, like a dash cam. So I can have video coverage, in the event of an accident, or something else. Only thing is, all the reflections show up on the video, and make viewing a little uncomfortable.
 
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We picked this up last weekend. The kit level is great. Auto lights/wipers, heated seats, Nav, Carplay, cruise, park sensors etc etc are great but the weirdly, it's the thing I don't really see much that I love the most - the rear indicators that do that lovely sweeping motion in the direction you're indicating. LED headlights are also amazing - both our cars have them now and it would be hard to go back to Xenons or Halogens.
 
decigallen said:
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We picked this up last weekend. The kit level is great. Auto lights/wipers, heated seats, Nav, Carplay, cruise, park sensors etc etc are great but the weirdly, it's the thing I don't really see much that I love the most - the rear indicators that do that lovely sweeping motion in the direction you're indicating. LED headlights are also amazing - both our cars have them now and it would be hard to go back to Xenons or Halogens.
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Very nice indeed, certainly looks the part.

Daylight running lights on our new galaxy are a little bit poxy, just looks like I have the parking lights on. Whereas the the Volvo V40 we changed just recently, had good looking daylight running lights :(.
 
I really like how diesel cars have come on. We have a Seat Leon FR 2.0 diesel which is standard at 184 BHP and with a few small tweaks it Runs around 240 BHP !

It makes me laugh at my younger self tuning non- Turbo cars was such a chew on for so little gains.

Not Fussed on these DPF's though. People seem to have real problems with them !
 
jonbeeza said:
Very nice indeed, certainly looks the part.

Daylight running lights on our new galaxy are a little bit poxy, just looks like I have the parking lights on. Whereas the the Volvo V40 we changed just recently, had good looking daylight running lights :(.
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Audi do lights really well. The DRLs on our A3 (and the previous one) look really tidy.

Our other car is a super practical Leon estate. The DRLs on it also look great.
 
andyred said:
Nah, the gold medal for that goes to "fake exhaust note played through the car speakers" :D
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The reason for it is because modern cars are so well insulated the exhaust not is muffled in the cabin. The real exhaust note can still heard outside the car. Being able to hear the exhaust better, even if it is "fake" aids the driver in knowing when to change gear.
The real exhaust not can still be heard in the background or if you have the windows open. So no they're not pointless.
 
nilagin said:
The reason for it is because modern cars are so well insulated the exhaust not is muffled in the cabin. The real exhaust note can still heard outside the car. Being able to hear the exhaust better, even if it is "fake" aids the driver in knowing when to change gear.
The real exhaust not can still be heard in the background or if you have the windows open. So no they're not pointless.
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Had a motorbike like that years ago. I bought a bike that had an after market exhaust fitted, could not figure out why it did not have the same growl as other similar exhausts. I was told to take a closer look at the inside, of the exhaust. I did investigate, removing the muffler material, did give it the distinct growl. But it was apparently illegal, it gave the bike a good bit more power. I ended up leaving the muffler material intact.
 
nilagin said:
The reason for it is because modern cars are so well insulated the exhaust not is muffled in the cabin. The real exhaust note can still heard outside the car. Being able to hear the exhaust better, even if it is "fake" aids the driver in knowing when to change gear.
The real exhaust not can still be heard in the background or if you have the windows open. So no they're not pointless.
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If only there was some kind of dashboard-mounted device that indicated engine revolutions per minute. It could even feature a marker showing at which point the engine should not be revved further in that gear therefore indicating a change of gear is required.
 
jonbeeza said:
Had a motorbike like that years ago. I bought a bike that had an after market exhaust fitted, could not figure out why it did not have the same growl as other similar exhausts. I was told to take a closer look at the inside, of the exhaust. I did investigate, removing the muffler material, did give it the distinct growl. But it was apparently illegal, it gave the bike a good bit more power. I ended up leaving the muffler material intact.
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Have a Google for Burgess silencers. The stuffing actually improves performance. Some aftermarket silencers have removable packing so performance levels can be adjusted by the end user - different carb settings etc. will need different back pressure for optimum performance (along with helping meet current noise restrictions!)
 
Nod said:
Have a Google for Burgess silencers. The stuffing actually improves performance. Some aftermarket silencers have removable packing so performance levels can be adjusted by the end user - different carb settings etc. will need different back pressure for optimum performance (along with helping meet current noise restrictions!)
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Ahh yes, just had a look. A mate of mine who is into bikes, a lot more than me, does have all that kit. He collects classics. The bikes I had were generally the Kawasaki ZZR 1100 stuff, so both looked good, and sounded good with Micron stuff. I was going to take the material out of the exhaust, but it was difficult to do, maybe tamper proof, or I just did not have a clue maybe. Besides I got thinking, that it may invalidate both MOT and insurance.
 
Thread is in danger of veering off topic, and morphing into a Bike thread :eek:.....

My fault :rolleyes:.
 
Ricardodaforce said:
If only there was some kind of dashboard-mounted device that indicated engine revolutions per minute. It could even feature a marker showing at which point the engine should not be revved further in that gear therefore indicating a change of gear is required.
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So much safer and easier to listen to the engine and keep your eyes on the road.
 
nilagin said:
So much safer and easier to listen to the engine and keep your eyes on the road.
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My niece asked me years ago, how do I know when to move that thingy ( pointing at the gear stick ) . Took me ages explaining, you have to listen to the engine. I got there in the end, by getting her to listen to the engine, and telling her to say when I should change.
 
jonbeeza said:
My niece asked me years ago, how do I know when to move that thingy ( pointing at the gear stick ) . Took me ages explaining, you have to listen to the engine. I got there in the end, by getting her to listen to the engine, and telling her to say when I should change.
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After a short while it becomes instinctive, drivers do it all the time without even being aware they are doing it. It's actually the revcounter that is the not needed gimmick, not the sound symposer.
 
nilagin said:
After a short while it becomes instinctive, drivers do it all the time without even being aware they are doing it. It's actually the revcounter that is the not needed gimmick, not the sound symposer.
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I use the rev counter to short shift before the turbocharger kicks in. Useful for journeys where mpg is important and it's not a typical motorway drive.
 
omens said:
I use the rev counter to short shift before the turbocharger kicks in. Useful for journeys where mpg is important and it's not a typical motorway drive.
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Used to drive an Austin Montego Turbo Diesel a very long time ago, only good thing about it, was the Perkins diesel engine. Great feeling when the turbo kicked in, the thrust it gave was pretty impressive.
 
omens said:
I use the rev counter to short shift before the turbocharger kicks in. Useful for journeys where mpg is important and it's not a typical motorway drive.
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Unless your rev counter has a display for the turbo wastegate, you are wasting your time as the wastegate operation varies according to engine speed and load. Plus modern turbo engines don't really use that much more fuel they, on the most part, just cram in more air, it's only on high engine speeds and loads where extra fuel gets pumped in to keep exhaust temps down and protect your catalytic converter. You can just as easily use the engine/exhaust noise, or the speedo for short shifting.
 
@nilagin am only aware of wastegate chatter when pushing hard. Can hear the intake/spooling when I hit around 2.5-3k rpm which is why I keep revs between 1500-2000 rpm when taking it easy. Engine noise doesn't really change until 3k rpm, and exhaust noise doesn't change significantly at lower end of rpm range.
 
omens said:
@nilagin am only aware of wastegate chatter when pushing hard. Can hear the intake/spooling when I hit around 2.5-3k rpm which is why I keep revs between 1500-2000 rpm when taking it easy. Engine noise doesn't really change until 3k rpm, and exhaust noise doesn't change significantly at lower end of rpm range.
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That isn't wastegate chatter. Wastegates can't, or shouldn't, operate that quickly. What you are hearing is the dump valve releasing excessive boost pressure. The turbo doesn't rely on engine speed alone, it also relies on the actual load you are putting on the engine. Depending on your cars capability, you could be producing 20Nm of torque at 2000rpm or 200Nm of torque, at 2000rpm, the same principle works anywhere in the rev range. Engine and exhaust noise vary through out the rev range, you just can't hear it due to the cars insulation, which is why a sound symposer actually works in subconsciously informing the driver how the engine is revving without having to take your eyes off the road to look at a rev counter or shift lights.
 
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Yay, the owners manual has turned up finally, came through the post this morning. Nothing else in the envelope though, no service book, welcome pack etc. Not even a simple hand written note, saying sorry for the inconvenience. Oh well not to worry, now to have a good old read of the manual :).

Just tagged a few in, who were following this little issue. @andyred @Nod @nilagin @srichards @Box Brownie @ianp5a @OldCarlos @MartynK @dejongj sorry if I have not tagged you, to give you the update.


UPDATE: The service book has just come, in a separate envelope.
 
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How are you going to get service stamps if no service book?


I drive a turbo diesel now, but personally I'll never buy a diesel again! My next car will have some form of electric motor in there, a small turbo petrol hybrid with peak toque from zero RPM from help of electric motor is the way forward for both driving enjoyment and the car industry. IMHO.
 
wuyanxu said:
How are you going to get service stamps if no service book?


I drive a turbo diesel now, but personally I'll never buy a diesel again! My next car will have some form of electric motor in there, a small turbo petrol hybrid with peak toque from zero RPM from help of electric motor is the way forward for both driving enjoyment and the car industry. IMHO.
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UPDATE ....

The service book has just come in another envelope, and a few other little bits of info.
 
Just read that the Galaxy will enter into energy saving mode, when left locked for three days. This is to save the battery going flat. Wonder how it can run at a lower stand by power, when alarm , the clock and the computer need to have power source, to keep them from losing memory?
 
jonbeeza said:
UPDATE ....

The service book has just come in another envelope, and a few other little bits of info.
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About time. Did you get the black neoprene wallet to keep it all in too?
 
I've got a new slant on this....... Modern car advances dislikes......

I'd consider any care built this century to be classed as "modern", with that in mind and the experience with my wife's focus, it seems that they're now built in such a way that a relatively small mechanical issue can easily make an otherwise perfectly good car uneconomical to repair due to the labour costs involved :(

Within my lifetime (not quite 40 years) I've seen cars get to 10+ years and pretty much rot away even though they're mechanically sound. Now it seems they last longer in terms of corrosion but after 10 years they can very easily become scrap.

(written by a very disgruntled motorist who has just taken £400 for an 05 focus estate with 103500 miles on the clock having purchased it from a known source 2 years ago for £2K and spent at least £1K on it in repairs)
 
wuyanxu said:
I drive a turbo diesel now, but personally I'll never buy a diesel again! My next car will have some form of electric motor in there, a small turbo petrol hybrid with peak toque from zero RPM from help of electric motor is the way forward for both driving enjoyment and the car industry. IMHO.
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Expect to see the use of small electric superchargers to spool up turbos and electric motors via the alternator to bring in maximum torque lower down in the rev range.
 
jonbeeza said:
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Yay, the owners manual has turned up finally, came through the post this morning. Nothing else in the envelope though, no service book, welcome pack etc. Not even a simple hand written note, saying sorry for the inconvenience. Oh well not to worry, now to have a good old read of the manual :).

Just tagged a few in, who were following this little issue. @andyred @Nod @nilagin @srichards @Box Brownie @ianp5a @OldCarlos @MartynK @dejongj sorry if I have not tagged you, to give you the update.


UPDATE: The service book has just come, in a separate envelope.
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That's great news. [emoji108]

Now get reading that manual and find out all the things your car can do that you haven't worked out [emoji3]
 
Russ77 said:
I've got a new slant on this....... Modern car advances dislikes......

I'd consider any care built this century to be classed as "modern", with that in mind and the experience with my wife's focus, it seems that they're now built in such a way that a relatively small mechanical issue can easily make an otherwise perfectly good car uneconomical to repair due to the labour costs involved :(

Within my lifetime (not quite 40 years) I've seen cars get to 10+ years and pretty much rot away even though they're mechanically sound. Now it seems they last longer in terms of corrosion but after 10 years they can very easily become scrap.

(written by a very disgruntled motorist who has just taken £400 for an 05 focus estate with 103500 miles on the clock having purchased it from a known source 2 years ago for £2K and spent at least £1K on it in repairs)
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In the late 70s and early 80s, I had various cars. Such as Austin 1100 and 1300s and Escorts and Cortinas etc. When I bought them, they were only a few years old, but rotten through. They lasted me an average of about six months. Back in the days when you bought a car with 12 months MOT on it, and sold it after 6 months. In the mid 90s I bought a Citroen AX and I had it for ten years. When I sold it, the body was still gleaming, not a spot of rust on it. The new owner got a good few more years out of it. The bodies of cars now, do last better. Rare to see a rusty car now..
 
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