MWAY speed limit may go up

Pookeyhead said:
Smoothness? Ya big fairy! :) I wanna hear the gears, and feel the engine. Why would a car enthusiast want t be isolated from the road? I wanna feel everything.

I think you're far more likely to speed in a car that wafts you along in silence and smoothness.
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There are times you are just wanting to go from A to B with minimal fuss.

I love cars abs driving but the sort of fast rural road driving I like doesn't like me. I'd therefore drive in a more sedate car that doesn't egg me on in a sedate manner.

Whilst an interactive car sure is nice there's something beguiling about a car that completely isolates everything. Money no object I'd get one of those rolls Royce phantom things but drive it as I trust no one else's driving as much as mine
 
ST4 said:
but drive it as I trust no one else's driving as much as mine
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I'm sure a professional, highly trained chauffeur for the elite is a better driver than you are... and if you can afford a phantom, you'd probably hire from the best places. Those guys are anti-terrorist trained for example. I'd trust them more than I'd trust myself. You sure you're not just doing the typical guy thing? A recent research poll revealed that over 90% of men think they have above average driving skills :). I don't need to point out the irony of that statistic do I?
 
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Pookeyhead said:
I'm sure a professional, highly trained chauffeur for the elite is a better driver than you are... and if you can afford a phantom, you'd probably hire from the best places. Those guys are anti-terrorist trained for example. I'd trust them more than I'd trust myself. You sure you're not just doing the typical guy thing? A recent research poll revealed that over 90% of men think they have above average driving skills :). I don't need to point out the irony of that statistic do I?
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I'm not disputing they would be. Bit I'm a nervous passanger, hate flying abs train travel as I'm not in control.

I'm just weird. I'd always drive myself unless I couldn't which is about now...LOL just to add though I would pay a driver right now if I had the money
 
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daugirdas said:
Cars like this are the sole reason of frustration, and very significant amount of wasted time for other road users. Enjoy. I hope they get outlawed based on emissions, no NCAP rating or something like that.
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You seem to have a fundamental problem of understanding in thinking that a car that accelerates slowly will be driven slowly, and under the legal limit thereby causing queues when others want to make progress. Why do you make that assumption, because it is entirely incorrect?

The problem is not the cars, it's the drivers.

fabs said:
Can you name me a car that takes 24 seconds to go from 0-60?
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Yeah, a standard, basic model Hillman Imp. I timed it when I had one. I've had faster Imps as well, some that would give modern "sports" models a run for their money, but they weren't by any means standard.
 
onomatopoeia said:
You seem to have a fundamental problem of understanding in thinking that a car that accelerates slowly will be driven slowly, and under the legal limit thereby causing queues when others want to make progress. Why do you make that assumption, because it is entirely incorrect?

The problem is not the cars, it's the drivers.
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Come to A82 north of Tarbet, then repeat exactly this. You'll be stuck at 30 or less in slow accelerating car for 30 miles causing lots of frustration [to clarify this further - by the time you reach 35 you will likely need to break and so on. You will also break earlier and harder because brakes are less efficient and there is no ESP]. Hill ascents won't be much fun either. That isn't a flat straight motorway, where once at 62 (thinking it's 70) you can continue that way.
 
s*** drivers, usually in big cars, blame everyone, and everything, other than their own s*** driving.

That would compromise their big penis syndrome.

It's funny.
 
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simon ess said:
s*** drivers, usually in big cars, blame everyone, and everything, other than their own s*** driving.

That would compromise their big penis syndrome.

It's funny.
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There are crappy drivers in all sorts of cars. One problem is that 99.9% of drivers are never taught to drive, only to pass a driving test.
 
GeeJay57 said:
There are crappy drivers in all sorts of cars. One problem is that 99.9% of drivers are never taught to drive, only to pass a driving test.
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Yes, agreed.

I was having a bit of fun at the expense of some of the contributors to this thread.

It's nothing to do with the car.
 
daugirdas said:
Come to A82 north of Tarbet, then repeat exactly this. You'll be stuck at 30 or less in slow accelerating car for 30 miles causing lots of frustration [to clarify this further - by the time you reach 35 you will likely need to break and so on.
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Even a really slow car would take perhaps 6 seconds to get to 35. What you are describing is traffic congestion. It is not caused by people accelerating too slowly at all. In fact, it's probably exacerbated by people accelerating hard, driving too fast in congested conditions not suitable for that speed, and then being forced to brake. This causes a ripple effect backwards down the queue of traffic.. often miles away from where the actual obstruction is (or was). This is what causes that seemingly inexplicable congestion you describe. Blame it on whatever you want, but if you did your research you'd realise what actually causes it has nothing whatsoever to do with small cars. You need to do some research... that's all.

daugirdas said:
You will also break earlier and harder because brakes are less efficient and there is no ESP]. Hill ascents won't be much fun either. That isn't a flat straight motorway, where once at 62 (thinking it's 70) you can continue that way.
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Why will I need to brake earlier if I'm driving properly? I plan my driving, and use my brain.. I anticipate. I never have to brake hard, and why is that a problem even if I do? As already mentioned, braking harder, and later CAUSES traffic problems, it doesn't cure them :) You talk as if you're the only one with a big car.. LOL. At risk of sounding childish, mine's probably bigger.... and I don't drive it as you describe. I also have a very small car.... and there's no need to drive it as you describe either.

You just drive terribly it would seem. If you need "ESP" to safely bring your car to a stop in routine, every day driving.... sorry... you've no business being behind the wheel.


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I know, almost new A8 leaves no cash even for food or train fare.
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Sounds to me like you place a great deal of importance on that big car.. right up to the point of talking [PLEASE DON'T TRY TO BYPASS THE SWEAR FILTER] in order to justify something you can't really afford. Why skint yourself just to have a big car anyway?


This week's "Talking [PLEASE DON'T TRY TO BYPASS THE SWEAR FILTER] Award" goes to you.... hands down winner. :)
 
GeeJay57 said:
There are crappy drivers in all sorts of cars. One problem is that 99.9% of drivers are never taught to drive, only to pass a driving test.
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Completely agree. Motorways should be brought into the test to teach people how to stop hogging the middle lane when there's nothing to overtake:mad:
 
Pookeyhead said:
Sounds to me like you place a great deal of importance on that big car.. right up to the point of talking [PLEASE DON'T TRY TO BYPASS THE SWEAR FILTER] in order to justify something you can't really afford. Why skint yourself just to have a big car anyway?
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As and extension of something else lacking perchance?
 
CaveDweller said:
Completely agree. Motorways should be brought into the test to teach people how to stop hogging the middle lane when there's nothing to overtake:mad:
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Poor motorway etiquette is just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to bad driving. I don't however agree that Leaner drivers should be on the motorway, nor should it be in the test (not safe, not practical). I know people that even years after passing their driving test and years of driving on the road, have never learned to drive. They sit bolt upright trying to see the front of the car, shuffle the steering wheel, looking straight ahead in blinkered way and never seem to be properly in control of the vehicle at any time. There are others who on passing their test forget all about driving and just sit behind the wheel with their mind thinking about anything but driving. Others think that the only way to drive is as per Grand Theft Auto with no regard for others or any driving rules, laws or conventions. Meanwhile, some are just ignorant of how to use their car or the road they are on in a proper manner. They literally don't know what they're doing.

To come back to the original question/subject. If the motorway limit is raised to 80 mph, then speed limit enforcement will become more strict. As it is now, for most of the 'derestricted' parts motorway network driving at 80 mph on your speedo is IMHO unlikely to result in a speeding ticket, unless there's heavy traffic and 80 is much quicker than everyone else. The police typically use their discretion and aren't too worried by a well driven car that's just over the limit on an empty carriageway.

What is more irksome is the move being consider to lower speed limits on rural roads.

An A-road near where I grew up was well known for accidents, mainly youngsters on motorcycles failing to get round some of the bends at night. So the speed limit for the whole stretch has been dropped to 50 mph which for the most part is just ridiculous, especially in the day time. The bikes and cars making holes in the hedge were already ignoring the 60 mph limit, so how does a 50 limit help? The holes in the hedgerow continue to be fully exploited, but some council politician can say that he's taken action... Aaaaargh

.....gets down off soapbox... Exits stage left... :(
 
2CV4?
 
Pookeyhead said:
Even a really slow car would take perhaps 6 seconds to get to 35. What you are describing is traffic congestion. It is not caused by people accelerating too slowly at all. In fact, it's probably exacerbated by people accelerating hard, driving too fast in congested conditions not suitable for that speed, and then being forced to brake. This causes a ripple effect backwards down the queue of traffic.. often miles away from where the actual obstruction is (or was). This is what causes that seemingly inexplicable congestion you describe. Blame it on whatever you want, but if you did your research you'd realise what actually causes it has nothing whatsoever to do with small cars. You need to do some research... that's all.



Why will I need to brake earlier if I'm driving properly? I plan my driving, and use my brain.. I anticipate. I never have to brake hard, and why is that a problem even if I do? As already mentioned, braking harder, and later CAUSES traffic problems, it doesn't cure them :) You talk as if you're the only one with a big car.. LOL. At risk of sounding childish, mine's probably bigger.... and I don't drive it as you describe. I also have a very small car.... and there's no need to drive it as you describe either.

You just drive terribly it would seem. If you need "ESP" to safely bring your car to a stop in routine, every day driving.... sorry... you've no business being behind the wheel.





Sounds to me like you place a great deal of importance on that big car.. right up to the point of talking [PLEASE DON'T TRY TO BYPASS THE SWEAR FILTER] in order to justify something you can't really afford. Why skint yourself just to have a big car anyway?


This week's "Talking [PLEASE DON'T TRY TO BYPASS THE SWEAR FILTER] Award" goes to you.... hands down winner. :)
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Your reply doesn't make any sense nor properly reflects my comment. I think I'll leave you to it in this thread.

I suppose frustrating pensioners are just a fact of life...
 
Speed limit on the motorway isn't the problem, it work and moving it up won't break it.

The speed cameras are, on 50mph north circular there are loonies who drive 60+mph, then brake down to 50 to pass the clearly marked cameras. They drive like they own the road and they expect everyone else to speed like them. On roads like those, we need invisible and roaming speed cameras.

As a speed limit abiding driver with a dash-cam, I do hope there's ways to report those loonies.


Also as mentioned, the people who don't know how to drive motorway. But hopefully automation will solve that in 10 years or so.
 
onomatopoeia said:
You seem to have a fundamental problem of understanding in thinking that a car that accelerates slowly will be driven slowly, and under the legal limit thereby causing queues when others want to make progress. Why do you make that assumption, because it is entirely incorrect?

The problem is not the cars, it's the drivers.


Yeah, a standard, basic model Hillman Imp. I timed it when I had one. I've had faster Imps as well, some that would give modern "sports" models a run for their money, but they weren't by any means standard.
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From all the car related threads he has started (brakes and tyres) or his input in any other car or motoring related thread, the above is all that is necessary to say. You could fit all his worthwhile knowledge about cars on a pin head.
Sorry it just had to be said.
 
nilagin said:
From all the car related threads he has started (brakes and tyres) or his input in any other car or motoring related thread, the above is all that is necessary to say. You could fit all his worthwhile knowledge about cars on a pin head.
Sorry it just had to be said.
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Quality...............:)
 
viv1969 said:
As and extension of something else lacking perchance?
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Some people like big cars, others like big dogs which I personal see as an extension of something else lacking perchance. Others even like cats or worse still lots of screaming noisy children to define them.

Me, big cars are a far bigger priority than either of those things. I escaped a once girl friend that tried to stick me with kids, cats and dogs.

All I want is nice holidays, big powerful cars and to go out and enjoy photophaphy. Kids cats and dogs get in the way of all that
 
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wuyanxu said:
Speed limit on the motorway isn't the problem, it work and moving it up won't break it.

The speed cameras are, on 50mph north circular there are loonies who drive 60+mph, then brake down to 50 to pass the clearly marked cameras. They drive like they own the road and they expect everyone else to speed like them. On roads like those, we need invisible and roaming speed cameras.

As a speed limit abiding driver with a dash-cam, I do hope there's ways to report those loonies.


Also as mentioned, the people who don't know how to drive motorway. But hopefully automation will solve that in 10 years or so.
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Only yesterday there were drivers on their own in the middle lane driving at the 'speed limit' with nothing on the inside lane and basically causing chaos around them. Other times I've seen drivers at the speed limit in the outside lane with a big queue of cars behind them, again nothing on their inside. I've also seen drivers overtaking on the inside at 100 mph (saw that yesterday on the M60). How many times have we seen drivers carve across the traffic to make an exit by the skin of their teeth?

Speed is on the face of it a very easy thing to measure and isn't by definition the principle metric of bad driving.

You may stick to the speed limit, your speedo or mine?

As for automation solving motorway driving, oh joy won't that be fun for all...

Q. When all cars are automated, who is at fault when there is an accident? "Wasn't my fault, the computer made the car do it."
 
GeeJay57 said:
You may stick to the speed limit, your speedo or mine?
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The curse of the cruise control is when the car behind is doing 1mph more than the one in front, and the driver insists on leaving the cruise in control rather than blipping the accelerator to nip past quickly. :bat:
 
Peter B said:
The curse of the cruise control is when the car behind is doing 1mph more than the one in front, and the driver insists on leaving the cruise in control rather than blipping the accelerator to nip past quickly. :bat:
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Agreed.
 
GeeJay57 said:
Speed is on the face of it a very easy thing to measure and isn't by definition the principle metric of bad driving.

You may stick to the speed limit, your speedo or mine?

As for automation solving motorway driving, oh joy won't that be fun for all...

Q. When all cars are automated, who is at fault when there is an accident? "Wasn't my fault, the computer made the car do it."
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Speed is indeed an easy thing to measure, and with a limit in place it is up to the driver to stick to it. Thus if it is broken, then they should be prepared to face justice anywhere on the road, not just at speed camera locations!

Speedo differences are tiny, just a quick flick of cruise control will solve any differences. Besides, soon adaptive cruise control will trickle down to even the lowest spec cars.

The fault will always be at the driver. I'm sure this seemed a confusing issue, but the driver is the responsible person at all times when getting into the car. Also, with the amount of testing motorway automation has gone through, I'm sure the only source of accidents would be lane changers who cut in way too close, causing automated heavy breaking. Dashboard cams will catch them.



Personally I'm all for automation and camera recorders on every car. That should force people to drive responsibly if everyone knows they could be reported for dangerous driving and speeding. The police can't be everywhere and defensive driving seems no longer enough with the amount of foreign plates on the road.
 
Peter B said:
The curse of the cruise control is when the car behind is doing 1mph more than the one in front, and the driver insists on leaving the cruise in control rather than blipping the accelerator to nip past quickly. :bat:
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if they are both going at 70mph i hope you are not suggesting breaking the speed limit in order to "nip past quickly" - some people seem to think they can break the speed limit if it is only just to overtake
 
My cruise control allows me to accelerate then takes over again when I come off the right hand (OK, foot!) pedal. I usually use the limiter rather than CC though - set the limiter to 80 (74 according to my 'phone's GPS app) and excessive speeding is a thing of the past and driving still needs a certain amount of driver input. CC makes it far too easy to lose concentration since all that needs to be done is to keep the car pointing in the right direction - until things go breasts upwards.
 
Pookeyhead said:
I'm sure a professional, highly trained chauffeur for the elite is a better driver than you are... and if you can afford a phantom, you'd probably hire from the best places. Those guys are anti-terrorist trained for example. I'd trust them more than I'd trust myself. You sure you're not just doing the typical guy thing? A recent research poll revealed that over 90% of men think they have above average driving skills :). I don't need to point out the irony of that statistic do I?
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Sorry to be a pedant, but it is very possible for the majority to be below or above the average in something!
 
That's just mean.
 
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nilagin said:
From all the car related threads he has started (brakes and tyres) or his input in any other car or motoring related thread, the above is all that is necessary to say. You could fit all his worthwhile knowledge about cars on a pin head.
Sorry it just had to be said.
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Good. Hope you enjoy your little world with cheap tyres and Chinese brake pads

I'll have a laugh a few days later when Scotland goes independent.
 
Nod said:
My cruise control allows me to accelerate then takes over again when I come off the right hand (OK, foot!) pedal. I usually use the limiter rather than CC though - set the limiter to 80 (74 according to my 'phone's GPS app) and excessive speeding is a thing of the past and driving still needs a certain amount of driver input. CC makes it far too easy to lose concentration since all that needs to be done is to keep the car pointing in the right direction - until things go breasts upwards.
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You could still do 80 in a 30 then?:eek:
 
daugirdas said:
Good. Hope you enjoy your little world with cheap tyres and Chinese brake pads

I'll have a laugh a few days later when Scotland goes independent.
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If that happens, we'll ALL have a good laugh! :lol:
 
PatrickO said:
Is the SNP going to buy everyone a Ferrari then?
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No, but it will be fun watching rest of UK eventually renamed to 'London' once Wales and NI also leave... That's even better value IMHO.
 
wuyanxu said:
Speed is indeed an easy thing to measure, and with a limit in place it is up to the driver to stick to it. Thus if it is broken, then they should be prepared to face justice anywhere on the road, not just at speed camera locations!

Speedo differences are tiny, just a quick flick of cruise control will solve any differences. Besides, soon adaptive cruise control will trickle down to even the lowest spec cars.

The fault will always be at the driver. I'm sure this seemed a confusing issue, but the driver is the responsible person at all times when getting into the car. Also, with the amount of testing motorway automation has gone through, I'm sure the only source of accidents would be lane changers who cut in way too close, causing automated heavy breaking. Dashboard cams will catch them.

Personally I'm all for automation and camera recorders on every car. That should force people to drive responsibly if everyone knows they could be reported for dangerous driving and speeding. The police can't be everywhere and defensive driving seems no longer enough with the amount of foreign plates on the road.
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Let's have even more of a nanny state than we do already eh? Why not have GPS transponders in every car (which was being considered at one time by UK government) with fully automated tracking and fine/penalty systems for transgressions, that might not only include speeding, but being on a particular route outside of the curfew hours. Identifying the actual guilty driver might be a bit of a bind, but speeding notifications are already directed to the registered keeper of the vehicle who is then obliged to grass up the culprit. Where else in our legal system does that happen?

The fact is that in spite of the overwhelming lack of driver training across the globe, not just in jolly old Blighty, drivers in general comply with the rules. Most accidents are minor bumps and scrapes caused by moments of bad judgement sometimes by drivers who are generally not bad at driving. Forcing millions of motorists to drive cars with automated speed control and dash-cams to cure the minority of stupidly aggressive drivers, is a pretty ridiculous policy that will be about as popular as the poll tax was or scrapping road tax and putting the cost on a litre of fuel would be. No politician would be stupid enough to bring that in... I hope.

I'm saddened that you think this would be a route to some kind of motoring utopia, but I guess you're entitled to your opinion as am I.
 
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I'm just glad and grateful that the internet is full of people who can keep an eye on me and tell me what I'm doing wrong in a car! Even here on TP! :rolleyes:

Before the internet, I used to be really bad! I used to believe things like "driving my 911 isn't interesting until you get over 125" and "Jaysus, a lap of Snett in the F3000 car is just out of control! Even more frightening than the F3 car and that was terrifying!!" and "my VX220 is less forgiving than any Formula Ford I've ever driven!" and things like that!

... but like James Hunt with his Austin A35 ["I can be driving the ar$e off it, waaay over the limits of adhesion ... and no one even notices I'm doing it"] I've always known that it's only slow drivers who need fast cars!

These days I often drive my 998cc Mini which has maybe 40bhp at the front wheels and a top speed of maybe eighty-pooh miles per hour and a 0-60 acceleration time somewhere around 16 seconds but I must still be doing something wrong because I do seem to drive down A-roads overtaking lots of other traffic! I just seem to be able to see the gap coming and trundle into it at 60 or 70 mph and fit nicely past those bigger, faster cars! And I hardly ever have to get busy and outbrake a 400hp Audi jeep into a roundabout or anything like that! :D

Just as well really, 'cos it's on cheapo Nankang tyres which teenagers on the internet tell me are ditchfinders and apparently dangerous but which somehow seem to give me all the steering response I need or can cope with!

It means that when I drive my daughter's 1.2 litre Clio which she happily and safely drove to Cornwall and back last week, I don't know what to do with all the 75bhp power and 95mph speed!
 
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