medical trials

duttytd said:
I mean a paid trail.
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Think very carefully about paid trials. Some of them are completely new drugs never used on humans before and they're not risk free. You're generally paid because they represent a considerable hassle as well
 
duttytd said:
Yes. I signed up for one and they have just emailed me saying there is a trail i am compatible for.
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So where does it take you? Do medical trails run through woodlands and across beaches, and do the stop points have paracetemol and gaviscon to take as proof you made it?


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boyfalldown said:
Think very carefully about paid trials. Some of them are completely new drugs never used on humans before and they're not risk free. You're generally paid because they represent a considerable hassle as well
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Would you not recommend i do this?
 
duttytd said:
Yes. I signed up for one and they have just emailed me saying there is a trail i am compatible for.
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Full frontal lobotomy :shrug:

:p


BTW I think you mean trial ;)
 
This is the email i received. ********************************************************************************************************************************************

Dear volunteer************************************************************************************************************************************

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You have recently registered your interest in participating in clinical trials, through our websitewww.areyoutheanswer.com*or*http://www.quintilesclinicaltrials.co.uk/

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With the details you have submitted we have a potential clinical trial you could be eligible for.

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The drug that we are studying is for the treatment ofCOPD (Chronic obstructive pulmonary disease)

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Expected Payment for participation:

£1050

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Trial dates:

You will stay with us in our comfortable unit from:

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Group 3

Tue 24 Jul* – Fri 27 Jul and return to the unit on Wed 08 Aug for a follow up appointment and for a final follow up on Wed 22 Aug.

OR:

Thu 26 Jul – Sun 29 Jul, and return to the unit on Fri 10 Aug for a follow up appointment and for a final follow up on Fri 24 Aug.

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Group 4

Tue 07 Aug – Fri 10 Aug and return to the unit on Wed 22 Aug for a follow up appointment and for a final follow up on Wed 05 Sep.

OR:

Thu 09 Aug – Sun 12 Aug, and return to the unit on Fri 24 Aug for a follow up appointment and for a final follow up on Fri 07 Sep.

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(We ask if you can be flexible for both sets of dates, if you are not flexible please let one of the recruitment team know your preferred dates at your screening appointment and we will try and accommodate you)

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Screening*/medical checkup:*

Appointment will last approximately*2-3*hrs and will take place on one of the following days @Quintiles Drug Research Unit*at Guys Hospital, 6-9 Newcomen Street London, SE1 1YR

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Group 3 screening dates

Tue 10 Jul @ 11.45

Tue 10 Jul @ 12.45

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Group 4 screening dates

Mon 16 Jul @ 11.45

Mon 16 Jul @ 12.15

Mon 16 Jul @ 12.45

Tue 17 Jul @ 10.45

Tue 17Jul @ 12.15

Tue 17 Jul @ 12.45

Wed 18 Jul @ 11.45

Wed 18 Jul @ 12.15

Wed 18 Jul@ 12.45

Thu 19 Jul @ 11.45

Thur 19 Jul** 12.15

Thu 19 Jul @ 12.45

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Inclusion criteria

If you answer ‘ Yes’ to all the questions below you may be eligible to screen for the above study

·**********Are you male?

·**********Are you aged between 18-65?

·**********Have you been a non smoker for the last 6 months?

·**********Is your weight 90 kgs or less?

·**********Is your BMI (if known) 28 or less? If you are not sure please call us we will check this for you.

·**********Do you drink less than 21 units of alcohol per week?

·**********You will be required to use 2 acceptable methods of contraception during the study and for 3 months afterwards. Will you conform to this requirement?

·**********Are you able to refrain from using alcohol, and strenuous exercise 48 hours prior to your screening visit?

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Exclusion criteria

If you answer ‘No’ to*all*the questions below you may be eligible to screen for the above study

·**********Do you or have you ever had a history of asthma or any other chronic lung disease?

·**********Are you a vegetarian/vegan or have any dietary restrictions?

·**********Do you have any history of alcoholism?

·**********Do you have any history of drug abuse?

·**********Do you have any relevant history of respiratory, gastrointestinal, renal (kidney), neurological, cardiovascular, psychiatric, immunological, dermatological, liver or other diseases?

·**********Have you donated and/or received blood in the past 3 months?

·**********Have you had any vaccinations in the past 3 months?

·**********Have you or will you need to take prescribed medication within 28 days prior to the start of the trial?

·**********Have you undergone any heparin therapy in the last month?

·**********Have you had a previous reaction to heparin?

·**********Have you taken part in a clinical trial anywhere and had your last dose in the last 3 months?

·**********Have you taken part in a study anywhere* and been dosed more than 3 months ago but still need to attend for extended follow-up visits?

·**********Have you used or are you likely to use over the counter medications (within 7 days of your first dosing?

·**********Have you ever had any infection caused by bugs due to a weakened body defence (immune) system including tuberculosis?

·**********Do you have any tattoos/scars on your lower abdomen (stomach) or thighs?

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Find out more or to book a screening appointment:

To find out more or to book a screening appointment call our call centre*on***0800 634 1132and quote ‘PA401’*or reply to this email with your name and contact number. Remember to quote ‘ PA401’

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If you are registered on our database and recommend a friend and they are dosed on the study you will receive £100.00

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*Travel expenses

Travel expenses are not reimbursed and are part of the study payment if eligible for the study

Travel expenses are not reimbursed for screening appointments

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** if you do not wish to receive further information on future clinical trials kindly reply ‘ unsubscribe’ to this email with your full name and date of birth

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*********************** IMPORTANT--PLEASE READ* ************************This electronic message, including its attachments, is COMPANY CONFIDENTIALand may contain PROPRIETARY or LEGALLY PRIVILEGED information.* If you are*not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, disclosure,copying, or distribution of this message or any of the information includedin it is unauthorized and strictly prohibited.* If you have received thismessage in error, please immediately notify the sender by reply e-mail andpermanently delete this message and its attachments, along with any copiesthereof. Thank you.*************************************************************************
 
duttytd said:
Would you not recommend i do this?
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I'd go into it with your eyes open, bear in mind paid trials are generally very early in a drugs development. As above that may end up meaning you are the first person worldwide to take it.

Generally it'll probably be very experimental. Lots of tests and blood samples. i know they pay well, but generally they can be a lot of a pain as well. i assuming a multi day stay in a unit, plus timed assessments, bear in mind these are likely to be 1 hours intervals at most the day or so after you're given a drug.

Before you decide, I'd make sure you understand everything you're being asked to participate in. The doctor responsible for the trial should take as long as you need explaining this to you
 
boyfalldown said:
I'd go into it with your eyes open, bear in mind paid trials are generally very early in a drugs development. As above that may end up meaning you are the first person worldwide to take it.

Generally it'll probably be very experimental. Lots of tests and blood samples. i know they pay well, but generally they can be a lot of a pain as well. i assuming a multi day stay in a unit, plus timed assessments, bear in mind these are likely to be 1 hours intervals at most the day or so after you're given a drug.

Before you decide, I'd make sure you understand everything you're being asked to participate in. The doctor responsible for the trial should take as long as you need explaining this to you
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Ok i think i will really need to have a good think about this.
 
Of course, you know that some get the drug and some get the placebo ?
(usually smarties or something)

Smarties now there is an interesting word to use :D
 
Cobra said:
Of course, you know that some get the drug and some get the placebo ?
(usually smarties or something)

Smarties now there is an interesting word to use :D
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Most trials aren't placebo controlled. I ate all the smarties so there non left;)

seriously though, most trials of these type its not ethical to give placebo cause of the number of tests performed over the period, and they tend to be run with just one drug (the trial drug)

later ones you tend to compare to another medicine, but they're not paid
 
boyfalldown said:
Most trials aren't placebo controlled. I ate all the smarties so there non left;)
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As long as it wasn't the Jaffa cakes I'm sure I can forgive you :D
boyfalldown said:
seriously though, most trials of these type its not ethical to give placebo cause of the number of tests performed over the period, and they tend to be run with just one drug (the trial drug)

later ones you tend to compare to another medicine, but they're not paid
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Oh OK Its a lot of years since I was involved in "anything like this"
I guess the "rules and procedures" have changed somewhat then?

 
Cobra said:
As long as it wasn't the Jaffa cakes I'm sure I can forgive you :D
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I think theres still some at the back of the cupboard. There were never any drugs that looked like them :D

Cobra said:
Oh OK Its a lot of years since I was involved in "anything like this"
I guess the "rules and procedures" have changed somewhat then?
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Some of the ethics involved can make it kind of interesting now, and I know the first trial I ever ran was about 100x simpler then the last, but I'm very glad to be out of that now
 
There was an infamous case some years ago where things went horribly wrong and IIRC at least one death.
 
boyfalldown said:
I think theres still some at the back of the cupboard. There were never any drugs that looked like them :D
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Oh I dunno, I think I had a suppository once ..............................:D


boyfalldown said:
Some of the ethics involved can make it kind of interesting now, and I know the first trial I ever ran was about 100x simpler then the last, but I'm very glad to be out of that now
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I'm going back to the mid 70's, Some "stuff" that was tested
under "BP" failed it was then passed on the "US Pharmacopoeia."
Which was obviously more "relaxed".
Did I hear you say un-ethical?
Surely not :D
 
If I remember correctly
 
Cobra said:
Oh I dunno, I think I had a suppository once ..............................:D




I'm going back to the mid 70's, Some "stuff" that was tested
under "BP" failed it was then passed on the "US Pharmacopoeia."
Which was obviously more "relaxed".
Did I hear you say un-ethical?
Surely not :D
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The last company I worked for has just picked up a $1.9 bn fine. No unethical activities there then ;)

I also left the company I referenced in response to Tony about a week before that incident happened
 
gramps said:
There was an infamous case some years ago where things went horribly wrong and IIRC at least one death.
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Admittedly they don't often screw up, but when they do, it really can go tits up.
Its very difficult to account for all circumstances, allergies (which seem to be more diverse and common these days)
and the such like.

I know I have been pulling your leg Tony, but as said, make sure you do your home-work ;)
I know that its a £1000, but I like you just the way you are I'd hate you to grow boobs or something :D
 
gramps said:
There was an infamous case some years ago where things went horribly wrong and IIRC at least one death.
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There was no death if you're thinking about the same incident as me, I linked above.
 
As you probably are aware "pulmonary" = lungs ... you've only got one pair and you need them!
 
boyfalldown said:
I also left the company I referenced in response to Tony about a week before that incident happened
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Ah yes northwick Park ;)
I didn't work that far away, at something beginning with "G" ;)

I think its now GSK.
 
Cobra said:
Admittedly they don't often screw up, but when they do, it really can go tits up.
Its very difficult to account for all circumstances, allergies (which seem to be more diverse and common these days)
and the such like.

I know I have been pulling your leg Tony, but as said, make sure you do your home-work ;)
I know that its a £1000, but I like you just the way you are I'd hate you to grow boobs or something :D
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I know you would love me with boobs... Well i would!
 
boyfalldown said:
Glaxo in Greenford?

GSK were the last company I worked for
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They used to have a facility at Harefield. I think that its shut
or was taken over by Hoechst ( schering plough as it is now)
 
duttytd said:
I know you would love me with boobs... Well i would!
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Yeah just another bloody excuse to sit around and play with yourself all day :p
 
Cobra said:
They used to have a facility at Harefield. I think that its shut
or was taken over by Hoechst ( schering plough as it is now)
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yep, Greenford and Harlow have both gone as well now
 
Wouldn't touch them with a barge pole. Gambling with your health for £1000, no chance.
 
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