Is it worth getting a Diesel?

Suppose I could always use Biodiesel, the nice smell of fish and chips :)

I actually used to run around in an old Peugeot 205 natural aspirated diesel and in the warmer months put used cooking oil in it. Sitting at the lights one day with the windows down a car pulled up next to me and I heard the woman comment she could smell a chip shop nearby!
 
I actually used to run around in an old Peugeot 205 natural aspirated diesel and in the warmer months put used cooking oil in it. Sitting at the lights one day with the windows down a car pulled up next to me and I heard the woman comment she could smell a chip shop nearby!
A mate of mine ran his car on chip shop oil for ages, but the place he got it off started putting prices up, and it became harder to get. He could not get it anymore, or so he said. He told me this after I got my Diesel car, but I had my suspicions ..
 
Is the ecoboost engine used in any non fords? I was looking at a Mini Cooper but those engines coke up and stretch chains as they're some junk made by Peugeot. Vw tfsi engines aren't any better. They do the same.

The electric cars soon become cheap. A 6 month old 30kw leaf is about 50% off list ie £16k or so.

Build quality of early teslas is poor so they're not popular plus they're often missing the auto pilot hardware.
 
Is the ecoboost engine used in any non fords? I was looking at a Mini Cooper but those engines coke up and stretch chains as they're some junk made by Peugeot. Vw tfsi engines aren't any better. They do the same.

The electric cars soon become cheap. A 6 month old 30kw leaf is about 50% off list ie £16k or so.

Build quality of early teslas is poor so they're not popular plus they're often missing the auto pilot hardware.
I guess my VW TFSI engine is the exception then, seems to be running extremely well :thumbs:

A mate of mine ran his car on chip shop oil for ages, but the place he got it off started putting prices up, and it became harder to get. He could not get it anymore, or so he said. He told me this after I got my Diesel car, but I had my suspicions ..
With the old non common rail, non turbo diesel you could run them on nearly anything, the modern smooth, clean high power versions are very different in my experience. Much more sensitive to good quality fuel.
 
I guess my VW TFSI engine is the exception then, seems to be running extremely well (y)

Be careful with those. If you follow ebay spares section you will find quite a few (1.4TSI mostly) with those symptoms. Engines can be a total wreck and petrols cost far more from scraps for some reason, perhaps far lower popularity and hence supply.
 
Be careful with those. If you follow ebay spares section you will find quite a few (1.4TSI mostly) with those symptoms. Engines can be a total wreck and petrols cost far more from scraps for some reason, perhaps far lower popularity and hence supply.
Mine is the 300Hp version and just fine thank you very much. Alternatively there is such a thing as warranty. I really wouldn't be concerned about that kind of stuff.
 
Be careful with those. If you follow ebay spares section you will find quite a few (1.4TSI mostly) with those symptoms. Engines can be a total wreck and petrols cost far more from scraps for some reason, perhaps far lower popularity and hence supply.
The 1.4 have chocolate pistons. A mate worked at a VAG dealership and cars were always coming in for engine rebuilds.
 
Is the ecoboost engine used in any non fords? I was looking at a Mini Cooper but those engines coke up and stretch chains as they're some junk made by Peugeot. Vw tfsi engines aren't any better. They do the same.
To my knowledge they only get fitted in Fords, there maybe some small manufacturers fitting them though. The secret to the coking up is to give the engine a good blast from time to time. It stops the coke building up.
Not doing so will be the reason why people start struggling to get the mpg they were getting. I always let my car warm up, only takes about a mile then give it a blast onto the dual carriageway to work.
 
Going into our local Ford dealer later, lets see what they can tempt us with. Gotta go and dig my driving Licence out, just in case I will be test driving anything :)
 
Is the ecoboost engine used in any non fords? I was looking at a Mini Cooper but those engines coke up and stretch chains as they're some junk made by Peugeot. Vw tfsi engines aren't any better. They do the same.

The electric cars soon become cheap. A 6 month old 30kw leaf is about 50% off list ie £16k or so.

Build quality of early teslas is poor so they're not popular plus they're often missing the auto pilot hardware.


I thought BMW ended their petrol engine deal with PSA in 2014. And Ford stopped using the bigger PSA diesels.
 
I don't know when they ended. If it is 2014 then I'd be interested to know who makes the current ones and whether they're any less prone to the same issues.
 
Is the ecoboost engine used in any non fords? I was looking at a Mini Cooper but those engines coke up and stretch chains as they're some junk made by Peugeot. Vw tfsi engines aren't any better. They do the same.

The electric cars soon become cheap. A 6 month old 30kw leaf is about 50% off list ie £16k or so.

Build quality of early teslas is poor so they're not popular plus they're often missing the auto pilot hardware.

It seems that the mini 1.6 diesels are (were) made by PSA, but not the 2 litre versions fitted to the cooper SD, which is from the BMW 1 series.
 
I don't know when they ended. If it is 2014 then I'd be interested to know who makes the current ones and whether they're any less prone to the same issues.
The 1.5 is a BMW B37 engine. Shares a lot of components with the B38 which is a petrol as used in the i8. I think you'll be ok.
 
The secret to the coking up is to give the engine a good blast from time to time. It stops the coke building up.
Not doing so will be the reason why people start struggling to get the mpg they were getting. I always let my car warm up, only takes about a mile then give it a blast onto the dual carriageway to work.

For a while I attempted to drive my mini petrol 'economically' so changing gear at 2k when the light said so and accelerating steadily.
Not only did is crush my enjoyment of the drive, over time the average MPG dropped for my 6 mile commute.

Past few weeks I've been driving it how I enjoy driving, and have seen a steady improvement in fuel economy despite holding gears for longer and accelerating harder.

Small petrol engines love to be revved once warm.
 
it needs to be 75bhp and above for you not to notice the drop in performance
I remember my first car being a 1.25 fiesta. If I wanted to gun it from the lights, I had to have the AC off.

Let's really be honest with ourselves..... until electric cars have a longer range, charge a lot quicker and aren't massively more expensive than their petrol/diesel peers, they're not going to be driven by the masses.

I do two, maybe three trips per year that require me to travel 200-300 miles in a single journey. It would still be a massive inconvenience to have to break the journey to charge up considering how much the thing had cost me to buy in the first place.
+1. I do maybe 6-10 such journeys a year involving 200-400 miles return journeys. I quite like filling up before I leave and then not having to worry about refuelling until I reach back home. I've driven for 3.5 hours continuously but this is over familiar journeys where I know the route well enough to not need stopping. Even to refuel won't take ten minutes unless there's a queue at the petrol pumps.

Recharging needs to involve similar or preferably superior benefits in terms of cost and practicality.
 
For a while I attempted to drive my mini petrol 'economically' so changing gear at 2k when the light said so and accelerating steadily.
Not only did is crush my enjoyment of the drive, over time the average MPG dropped for my 6 mile commute.

Past few weeks I've been driving it how I enjoy driving, and have seen a steady improvement in fuel economy despite holding gears for longer and accelerating harder.

Small petrol engines love to be revved once warm.

Going off topic here........ The "tips" I've read about eco driving is to accelerate briskly to you cruising speed and maintain with short burst of accelerator to keep at that speed (pulse & glide). Accelerating uses the most amount of fuel so you need to strike a balance ;)

One of the key things is to avoid unnecessary acceleration i.e. booting it up to speed only to have to brake straight away for traffic lights etc.
 
Went to our local ford dealer this afternoon, we had already booked a time to go up and see about getting a Grand Tourneo Connect.

The other day when we spoke to the salesman, he said the Grand Tourneo Connect is a great car and would suit our needs. He also told us the other day it is a great car to drive, as he had driven one over the week end as he said his own car was getting a service. He went on to say, he did not want to give it back.. ( I have heard that one a few times before o_O )

But today when we went up to see about getting one, he said why not go for a Galaxy instead. He went on to say the Galaxy is a better drive than the Tourneo Connect, and that the Tourneo is not very comfortable to drive. He obviously forgot what he told us the other day:mad:.

He saw that my missus did like the Galaxy so he worked on her, he went on to say that he would ring Ford direct and ask if they would go half for the deposit with us. He came back and said they would agree to pay half of the deposit. He said that Ford does not do that for everyone ( of course they don't we are special, yeah right ) He went on to say we would have to wait for about twelve weeks if we wanted the Tourneo, but we could have the Galaxy in a couple of weeks as they already had one in..

He said he would go back and ring Ford, and ask would they increase the amount of the deposit they would pay, leaving us only a little fee to pay.. Never had this sort of silly shenanigans from a salesman before, but I knew he was in typical salesman mode..

I lost all interest by then, I left him waffling on to the missus.. We left soon after slightly confused to as what we are doing, need a good sleep and try and work out what is what :wacky:
 
Well well well, glad to hear real car sales people still exist. He isn't called Tony by any chance :)

But cutting through the crap, I can imagine the Galaxy to be a much better drive. And the S Max even better. But ultimately what do you think? Which did you find the better drive and suited to your needs?
 
Well well well, glad to hear real car sales people still exist. He isn't called Tony by any chance :)

But cutting through the crap, I can imagine the Galaxy to be a much better drive. And the S Max even better. But ultimately what do you think? Which did you find the better drive and suited to your needs?
Could not test drive either, no Galaxy and the only used Tourneo was in the pre owned section, salesman said a different department to them and nothing to do with them. Besides it was right in the middle of the used car showroom o_O . But to be fair, I am sure they are going to be both nice to drive, well they are new cars after all.

Looks like we are going for the Galaxy then, missus wants to go for it now. Just going to run through a few facts and figures, and if all looks OK Galaxy it will be ..
 
Galaxy is an excellent choice. I drove a rental one the other day and it stuck to the road surprisingly good, I was expected to feel like driving an ocean liner. The powershift gears are easy to use, shifting at the right time for economy in D and hold onto gears a bit more in S. The one I received was a diesel, it was not very powerful and flat out had okay acceleration (in my opinion, I'm more used to bigger engines in smaller cars though), I imagine ecoboost should be better.


Going off topic here........ The "tips" I've read about eco driving is to accelerate briskly to you cruising speed and maintain with short burst of accelerator to keep at that speed (pulse & glide). Accelerating uses the most amount of fuel so you need to strike a balance ;)

One of the key things is to avoid unnecessary acceleration i.e. booting it up to speed only to have to brake straight away for traffic lights etc.

+1. I usually accelerate briskly up to speed and switch on cruise control. But some people accelerate to 25 then get to 30 (the speed limit) very slowly...... it does my nut in.
 
We're a little OT now, but for best economy you need to know your car and drive accordingly. So when I had a Peugeot 307 SW the best economy would be had by accelerating briskly to speed, then lifting gradually off the throttle until the car just started to slow: I could watch the fuel consumpt drop on the dash while maintaining speed. OTOH the Mini has a very precise & direct throttle, and any lifting off immediately slows the car: economy is directly linked to speed, however it can be beneficial to drop a gear on steeper hills while maintaining speed.

I've only driven a couple of cars with cruise control, but one of them was noticeably thirstier on cruise - I'd guess is used about 20% more at motorway speeds compared to driving manually. OTOH my wife's mini (cooper SD) seems little different with CC switched on, but that may be the benefit of a reasonably powerful engine in a small body.
 
Could not test drive either, no Galaxy and the only used Tourneo was in the pre owned section, salesman said a different department to them and nothing to do with them. Besides it was right in the middle of the used car showroom o_O . But to be fair, I am sure they are going to be both nice to drive, well they are new cars after all.

Looks like we are going for the Galaxy then, missus wants to go for it now. Just going to run through a few facts and figures, and if all looks OK Galaxy it will be ..
Is the S-Max too small for you? Whatever you do, don't get a black Galaxy, I swear someone will come by and put an Addison Lee sticker on the back. I just associate them with taxi's.
 
Went to our local ford dealer this afternoon, we had already booked a time to go up and see about getting a Grand Tourneo Connect.

The other day when we spoke to the salesman, he said the Grand Tourneo Connect is a great car and would suit our needs. He also told us the other day it is a great car to drive, as he had driven one over the week end as he said his own car was getting a service. He went on to say, he did not want to give it back.. ( I have heard that one a few times before o_O )

But today when we went up to see about getting one, he said why not go for a Galaxy instead. He went on to say the Galaxy is a better drive than the Tourneo Connect, and that the Tourneo is not very comfortable to drive. He obviously forgot what he told us the other day:mad:.

He saw that my missus did like the Galaxy so he worked on her, he went on to say that he would ring Ford direct and ask if they would go half for the deposit with us. He came back and said they would agree to pay half of the deposit. He said that Ford does not do that for everyone ( of course they don't we are special, yeah right ) He went on to say we would have to wait for about twelve weeks if we wanted the Tourneo, but we could have the Galaxy in a couple of weeks as they already had one in..

He said he would go back and ring Ford, and ask would they increase the amount of the deposit they would pay, leaving us only a little fee to pay.. Never had this sort of silly shenanigans from a salesman before, but I knew he was in typical salesman mode..

I lost all interest by then, I left him waffling on to the missus.. We left soon after slightly confused to as what we are doing, need a good sleep and try and work out what is what :wacky:
I've just looked, there is no deposit allowance on the Galaxy, or S-Max, unlike some other cars in the Ford range, so if you are happy with what they are offering, grab it before he changes his mind.
 
Is the S-Max too small for you? Whatever you do, don't get a black Galaxy, I swear someone will come by and put an Addison Lee sticker on the back. I just associate them with taxi's.

Yes it is too small, need to be able to get a power chair in the rear. Looks like the Galaxy or Tourneo. Missus wants the Galaxy :)
I've just looked, there is no deposit allowance on the Galaxy, or S-Max, unlike some other cars in the Ford range, so if you are happy with what they are offering, grab it before he changes his mind.

It looks like we might be getting the Galaxy :)
 
there's not a lot of difference in size between a S max and a galaxy
on paper i think the galaxy is 2 inches longer and a little wider, the trouble is not many ford dealers have them in stock which makes having a test drive in one a bit of a problem
the thing that put me off the galaxy was it's fuel consumption it's not very good, saying that the S max isn't great either but it is better
i would be curious how much real world space the galaxy has over an S max
on paper it doesn't look to be that much
 
there's not a lot of difference in size between a S max and a galaxy
on paper i think the galaxy is 2 inches longer and a little wider, the trouble is not many ford dealers have them in stock which makes having a test drive in one a bit of a problem
the thing that put me off the galaxy was it's fuel consumption it's not very good, saying that the S max isn't great either but it is better
i would be curious how much real world space the galaxy has over an S max
on paper it doesn't look to be that much

I do not mean length size, its rear loading size that is important. Need good loading access for a power chair, has to be something like Galaxy size..
 
I prefer the way my diesel drives to a petrol so it's not just about the better mpg
 
the galaxy seems to be about 4 inches taller which would definitely be an advantage for your needs
If the Galaxy is doable that will be first choice now, then second choice the tourneo :)
 
Or choose the right petrol engine ;)

there isn't one that gives me the same relaxed driving with the good mpg.

I've got a 2.0l 150 tdi octavia estate. I'm averaging 46mpg and thats with 500miles on the clock. I get 50-52mpg going to and from the inlaws (4 miles away) and I see over 60mpg on the motorway. no petrol can match that with the low down lazy torque the engine has.
 
there isn't one that gives me the same relaxed driving with the good mpg.

I've got a 2.0l 150 tdi octavia estate. I'm averaging 46mpg and thats with 500miles on the clock. I get 50-52mpg going to and from the inlaws (4 miles away) and I see over 60mpg on the motorway. no petrol can match that with the low down lazy torque the engine has.
Cost of ownership is about a lot more than just fuel consumption. But hey I'm sure you've done your sums and it works for you. I was merely pointing out that not all petrol's are lacking in low down lazy torque :thumbs:
 
DMF is likely to go in any car between 90-150k. You then replace it with single mass kit,

my PD140 DMF was rattly at 70k. was strictly advised against fitting a SMF by my inde.

Horrible engines; all late VAG PDs including the last 1.9TDI (BXE) are seriously temperamental.

the 140 isn't proving to be the best, it's had a new turbo too due to stuck VNT vanes (another common failure). the 130 1.9 8v in the ibiza was much nicer and more reliable, especially with a map taking it to 170.
 
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Cost of ownership is about a lot more than just fuel consumption. But hey I'm sure you've done your sums and it works for you. I was merely pointing out that not all petrol's are lacking in low down lazy torque (y)

I didn't buy the car :p - petrols that have low down torque like my diesel don't do very well with the mpg. don't get me wrong the 1.4 tsi does very well mpg wise and would make sense if someone only does small amounts of miles. there is 1800 difference between the manual and 500 with the DSG over my 2.0l CR 150 tdi. however, the diesel has 25% better consumption over the petrol
 
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Cost of ownership is about a lot more than just fuel consumption. But hey I'm sure you've done your sums and it works for you. I was merely pointing out that not all petrol's are lacking in low down lazy torque (y)

fuel is not everything. There are also tyres and I'm getting some nasty bills due to Passat B6 suspension not living up to even the lowest of expectations. I hardly need higher VED and 2x fuel costs on top of that :P
 
I think it is highly likely that VED and fuel duty on diesel will be on the rise soon, probably under the guise of 'improving air quality'.

My car is diesel but I will definitely replace it with a petrol car when the time comes.
 
In the BBC news this morning, it was reported Diesel vehicles alter their emission when cold. It seems it is done to protect the engine, but it makes the vehicles pollution rating pretty high. It is done by an on-board computer, and it seems it is perfectly legal.
 
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