Immigration - where does it end? What's next?

[arclight]

That old son is the catch 22 ,damned if we do damned if we don't . It's not the refugees that are the problem it's the sheer size of this exodus and also who's hidden within it ,this is a game changer on a unheard of before scale .
Funny we are not hearing much from certain other e.u countries I.e Holland ,Denmark ,etc ,also Poland that must have land and housing aplenty seeing half there population is living here already .

And the Eu countries (all very much larger than UK) we are now hearing from are in the same group that were not accepting people when Tony boy & co. opened this country's doors to 4 million immigrants.

All of a sudden emotional claptrap is now in full swing because of a horrible picture. Thousands of pictures like that were available to be taken on Mediterranean shores for the last four years at least and hundreds of thousands of instances of mutilated men women and children have occurred in the usual numerous countries for much longer than that. The situation in such countries is getting worse and the number of people fleeing is increasing endlessly. The political situation, habits, customs, beliefs in such countries plus historical hatreds and foreign intervention (the latter being a spark and catalyst, but not a cause) have created a mushrooming unstable mess of unfathomable magnitude.
There is not the tiniest hint of an end in sight. Perhaps when the oil rich ME countries see themselves threatened there will be an end in sight, albeit a very violent one.

There is nothing the UK can do that will make the slightest material difference and I think that the majority of folk are somewhat tired of the endless influx of people who want to live here because they have problems living where they were born.
Allow a thousand in today and next thing you know a further two thousand will want in then five thousand, then twenty thousand and so on ad infinitum.

 

[SFTPhotography]

Not even the kids that die because their Parents have made the decision for them?

No. None.

 

[SFTPhotography]

how many threads on the same subject do we need ? This isn't the britain first forums

You're free not to partake. HTH

 

[Nikon_Nick]

Wow, you truly have no soul. Ironically, I actually feel sorry for you.

 

[SFTPhotography]

Wow, you truly have no soul. Ironically, I actually feel sorry for you.

No, I can just see past emotional blackmail and see the trajectory of the situation and how it'll effect our lives and this society.

 

[viv1969]

Oh great. Another soapbox thread for the xenophobes and bigots to vomit forth from.

 

[Nikon_Nick]

No, I can just see past emotional blackmail and see the trajectory of the situation and how it'll effect our lives and this society.

Nothing to do with emotional blackmail Steve. You are saying that no have no problem with/sympathy for a child that is killed in such a way. A child that is innocent, and had absolutely no choice in the matter. As I said, I genuinely feel sorry for you.

 

[big soft moose]

Nothing to do with emotional blackmail Steve. You are saying that no have no problem with/sympathy for a child that is killed in such a way. A child that is innocent, and had absolutely no choice in the matter. As I said, I genuinely feel sorry for you.

I would genuinely feel sorry for him if i thought he was serious - but its been self evident for a while that he's either a very predictable troll or he suffers from a form of tourettes which compels him to say the most right wing thing possible...

 

[MWHCVT]

I agree - more needs to be done, these people are obviously being forced from their homes through no fault of their own.
I recently went past the camp in Calais and it's not right that people in this day and age have to live like that.
I really do think a lot more work needs doing in the refugees home countries though as I am sure they would rather not be displaced and risk their lives like this. I can't think how bandit must be to get forced from your own country.

I agree entirely a lot more needs to be done to stop these people being put in the position of needing to flee their home country, most I'm sure would love nothing more than to stay in their homes, and live peaceful safe lives...but while their homes are not safe I've no problem helping them as much as possible..

I'm confident that a lot of them will be eager to return home when it's safe to be with the current situation in the area how long is that going to be, a year or 5 years who knows, but ultimately as much as the racists of the forum would like to deny it we are all human and we should be treating these peoples how we should like to be treated

the trouble is mathew we are in a free country on a minor forum discussing something that we have TOTALLY no control over ,its up to our elected government to say what happens to our country ,our borders ,our way of living .
why are not the turkish police and army cracking down on the murderers who are putting whole families in a overcrowded rubber dinghy and sending them out to sea ,yes i personally feel for people that have lost someone but we can do nothing about it on a personal scale .
the root cause needs addressing as i said earlier ,the mistakes of the past have happened and will continue to happen until the arms merchants can squeeze no more money out of there customers .its not a new story either i suggest you get hold of a copy of the h.g wells novel or the alexander korda film version of "the shape of things to come" then relate them to the present day ,over 100 years on and how prophetic ,the human race it seems has the groundhog day effect built into our genes

Rubbish we have no effect on the situation, the government reflects the views of the people it serves as much as you'd maybe like to think you have to effect if more people are up in arms at the situation the government will react accordingly, I've said all a long this is a situation that need a multi faceted approach to improving the situation, it need to fix the problems of the home country's of these refugees, but while fixing that problem you cannot simply ignore the refugees, they need help too

 

[MWHCVT]

I would genuinely feel sorry for him if i thought he was serious - but its been self evident for a while that he's either a very predictable troll or he suffers from a form of tourettes which compels him to say the most right wing thing possible...

You missed the third option

 

[SFTPhotography]

Oh great. Another soapbox thread for the xenophobes and bigots to vomit forth from.

how is it xenophobic and bigotted to want to maintain the integrity of your borders? Is it easier for you to label these thoughts thus as you cannot understand the logic and reasoning put to you?

You missed the third option

Which is?

 

[Nikon_Nick]

I would genuinely feel sorry for him if i thought he was serious - but its been self evident for a while that he's either a very predictable troll or he suffers from a form of tourettes which compels him to say the most right wing thing possible...

Either way Pete, he has my sympathy. Im sure he feels he doesnt need it, but it must be a very sad, and lonely existence with attitudes like that. Even if it IS all an act, to get to the point where you feel it necessary to troll such utter tripe, you must be very bitter/lonely etc.

 

[big soft moose]

You missed the third option

that its actually one of the mods with a dupe account, trying to unify the membership by giving them something to rally against .. like Jeeves's uncle george ? I did think of that but i doubt they are that machiavellian

 

[Nikon_Nick]

You missed the third option

Would it escape the swear filter?

 

[simon ess]

I can't see ST4's reply as he is on my ignored list but I am sure it is utter quality..

Same here.

 

[big soft moose]

how is it xenophobic and bigotted to want to maintain the integrity of your borders? ?

as i said on one of the other many threads - there's a big difference between securing your borders and being glad a young child has drowned i the mediterranean (trying to reach turkey - which last time i checked was still significantly outside our borders.

I'd be happy to understand logic and reasoning if there were any amongst all the Britain First inspired bile

 

[SFTPhotography]

Either way Pete, he has my sympathy. Im sure he feels he doesnt need it, but it must be a very sad, and lonely existence with attitudes like that. Even if it IS all an act, to get to the point where you feel it necessary to troll such utter tripe, you must be very bitter/lonely etc.

I'm deeply rewarded and happy, with lots of friends. Its not trolling, you asked a question, I answered. You didn't like the answer. Get over it.

 

[SFTPhotography]

as i said on one of the other many threads - there's a big difference between securing your borders and being glad a young child has drowned i the mediterranean (trying to reach turkey - which last time i checked was still significantly outside our borders.

I'd be happy to understand logic and reasoning if there were any amongst all the Britain First inspired bile

I never said I was glad, I just wasn't sadenned. I'm indifferent to it.

 

[BRASH]

And the Eu countries (all very much larger than UK) we are now hearing from are in the same group that were not accepting people when Tony boy & co. opened this country's doors to 4 million immigrants.

All of a sudden emotional claptrap is now in full swing because of a horrible picture. Thousands of pictures like that were available to be taken on Mediterranean shores for the last four years at least and hundreds of thousands of instances of mutilated men women and children have occurred in the usual numerous countries for much longer than that. The situation in such countries is getting worse and the number of people fleeing is increasing endlessly. The political situation, habits, customs, beliefs in such countries plus historical hatreds and foreign intervention (the latter being a spark and catalyst, but not a cause) have created a mushrooming unstable mess of unfathomable magnitude.
There is not the tiniest hint of an end in sight. Perhaps when the oil rich ME countries see themselves threatened there will be an end in sight, albeit a very violent one.

There is nothing the UK can do that will make the slightest material difference and I think that the majority of folk are somewhat tired of the endless influx of people who want to live here because they have problems living where they were born.
Allow a thousand in today and next thing you know a further two thousand will want in then five thousand, then twenty thousand and so on ad infinitum.

Very sensible.

 

[JulesP]

Well that all descended into the argument I didn't want it to in the first post.

 

[big soft moose]

I never said I was glad, I just wasn't sadenned. I'm indifferent to it.

so you have no empathy ?

You are aware i take it that that is one of the key symptoms of sociopathy...

 

[Nikon_Nick]

I'm deeply rewarded and happy, with lots of friends. Its not trolling, you asked a question, I answered. You didn't like the answer. Get over it.

Im over it Steve. Your attitude doesnt affect me in the slightest, but you may find somewhere down the line, that it will affect you in some negative way. As I said, you have my symapthy.

 

[BRASH]

if only everyone would do the same, there'd be a lot more peace on the forum.

You clearly haven't

 

[viv1969]

how is it xenophobic and bigotted to want to maintain the integrity of your borders? Is it easier for you to label these thoughts thus as you cannot understand the logic and reasoning put to you?



Which is?

Strange how I mentioned no names, yet up you pop to attempt to defend yourself.
It's useless to even try to discuss things logically and reasonably with you Steve, because you just can't see past your own racism, fear and ignorance.
So I'm not even going to bother anymore.

I wish more would do the same.

 

[BRASH]

So I'm not even going to bother anymore.

.

I bet you don't you can't help yourself, like many others.

 

[dejongj]

I agree entirely a lot more needs to be done to stop these people being put in the position of needing to flee their home country, most I'm sure would love nothing more than to stay in their homes, and live peaceful safe lives...but while their homes are not safe I've no problem helping them as much as possible..

I'm confident that a lot of them will be eager to return home when it's safe to be with the current situation in the area how long is that going to be, a year or 5 years who knows, but ultimately as much as the racists of the forum would like to deny it we are all human and we should be treating these peoples how we should like to be treated




Rubbish we have no effect on the situation, the government reflects the views of the people it serves as much as you'd maybe like to think you have to effect if more people are up in arms at the situation the government will react accordingly, I've said all a long this is a situation that need a multi faceted approach to improving the situation, it need to fix the problems of the home country's of these refugees, but while fixing that problem you cannot simply ignore the refugees, they need help too

I agree with everything you wrote except with calling those that have a different opinion than you racists. I think that is unhelpful and inaccurate to label people like that. Just because someone is against migration or helping refugees doesn't make them a racist. Very odd reaction in my opinion.

 

[tijuana taxi]

Only looked at this thread to see who "ignored member" was, then realised it was someone I placed on the ignore list (only one ever)

Glad I can't see the comments, thought most people had stopped responding to his posts

 

[BRASH]

I agree with everything you wrote except with calling those that have a different opinion than you racists. I think that is unhelpful and inaccurate to label people like that. Just because someone is against migration or helping refugees doesn't make them a racist. Very odd reaction in my opinion.

That's the typical leftie attitude tho ain't it. If someone disagrees with you, then stick ism, or phobic onto the end of a word and shout them down. Bigoted hypocrisy in it's self imo.

 

[neil_g]

You clearly haven't

unfortunately some threads make absolutely no sense without sometimes needing to see what ignored users say.

 

[dejongj]

Only looked to see who "ignored member" was, then realised it was someone I placed on the ignore list (only one ever)

Glad I can't see the coments, thought most people had stopped responding to his posts

Why even bother posting that? It just perpetuates any argument without useful contribution to any hope of a discussion

 

[SFTPhotography]

Strange how I mentioned no names, yet up you pop to attempt to defend yourself.
It's useless to even try to discuss things logically and reasonably with you Steve, because you just can't see past your own racism, fear and ignorance.
So I'm not even going to bother anymore.

I wish more would do the same.

Where am racist, fearful and ignorant? Where I have said one race is superior to another? Please tell me. Oh wait, you cannot. As you were.

 

[BRASH]

unfortunately some threads make absolutely no sense without sometimes needing to see what ignored users say.

Yeh, beautifully backtracked and a tad hypocritical don't you think.

 

[BRASH]

Where am racist, fearful and ignorant? Where I have said one race is superior to another? Please tell me. Oh wait, you cannot. As you were.

Yes, as ever.

 

[neil_g]

Yeh, beautifully backtracked and a tad hypocritical don't you think.

why? you see a load of people replying to posts you cant see so they make no sense as you cannot see what context they're in, you're going to click to see them.

 

[BRASH]

why? you see a load of people replying to posts you cant see so they make no sense as you cannot see what context they're in, you're going to click to see them.

Well don't bloody well suggest to folk to put him on their ignore list if your not prepared to follow your own advice.

 

[Mr Bump]

Only looked at this thread to see who "ignored member" was, then realised it was someone I placed on the ignore list (only one ever)

Glad I can't see the comments, thought most people had stopped responding to his posts

Yeah although I have 2/3 more going on the list soon

 

[neil_g]

Well don't bloody well suggest to folk to put him on their ignore list if your not prepared to follow your own advice.

there'd be a lot less reason to need to click to see the posts if a lot more people did it.

but i can see you're defending your mate so im on a highway to nowhere explaining.

 

[dejongj]

Yeah although I have 2/3 more going on the list soon

Another Sterling contribution as per ever... Why not for once actually join the conversation instead of snipe from the sideline....Just once would be nice....

 

[BRASH]

there'd be a lot less reason to need to click to see the posts if a lot more people did it.

but i can see you're defending your mate so im on a highway to nowhere explaining.

Well do it then and stay off his threads or the threads he's posting on or stop replying to his posts but you just can't can you? What does that say about you?

He's not my mate by the way, I've never even met the guy.

 

[neil_g]

Well do it then and stay off his threads but you just can't can you? What does that say about you?

He's not my mate by the way, I've never even met the guy.

maybe i should have put it in inverted commas.

anyway, im prepared to move back on topic