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This subject is a favourite of mine.
One I don't like to hear is 'off of'. I'd never heard it until I moved down here.
I know this is what Americans say but when I heard it a few times when I was over there I couldn't make sense of it. We say "I couldn't care less" It makes sense. They say "I could care less" which sounds to me as though they hadn't totally given up on whatever it was they were referring to.
Wrong word. I sometimes worked alongside a plant technician who would look at the instrument panel and upon seeing one registering an unusual reading would say ..."There's something highly salubrious here"
I'm sure no-one will be able to give an answer to this one. Whoever thought that saying.."can you tell which is which or "You can tell he's bluffing" and re twins. "How can you tell them apart ?" Tell ? It doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
Why do we say Thunder and lightning in that order when thunder, as we know, is a consequence of lightning and should come first.
I can't wait. :banghead: You hear it all the time. " When are you going to America ?" "Next Saturday and I can't wait". My response ? You'll have to as the flight doesn't take off until next Saturday.
Let's get sentimental Lol. "My mum and dad are coming over from Germany at the weekend and I can't wait to see them"
You''l have to wait as they won't be here until the weekend and it's only Wednesday.
I despair when I hear some football pundits speaking. The commentators are fine, though.
"He should of went round him" "The ball has came in from the left" "If he (the goalkeeper ) had came out sooner he'd have stopped that goal"
Five Live's presenter, Colin Murray, uses this 'came' a lot. and once said "He could have gone to Stoke but he has went to West Brom"
A bit different but you've got to love John Motson aka Motty. Not the grammar but just what he said.
For starters. "For those of you watching in black and white Spurs are in the all- yellow. strip" I also heard of someone commentating on a snooker game say something similar re the colour of the balls.
I still recall hearing this one. He was commentating on a Spurs game..again. Spurs had a German player..a very good one..called Stefan Fruend and pronounced Froint as in 'oint-ment'. Motty always called him Frunt and in one piece of commentary he said. "Frunt to Anderton to Ginola and back to Frunt "
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One I don't like to hear is 'off of'. I'd never heard it until I moved down here.
I know this is what Americans say but when I heard it a few times when I was over there I couldn't make sense of it. We say "I couldn't care less" It makes sense. They say "I could care less" which sounds to me as though they hadn't totally given up on whatever it was they were referring to.
Wrong word. I sometimes worked alongside a plant technician who would look at the instrument panel and upon seeing one registering an unusual reading would say ..."There's something highly salubrious here"
I'm sure no-one will be able to give an answer to this one. Whoever thought that saying.."can you tell which is which or "You can tell he's bluffing" and re twins. "How can you tell them apart ?" Tell ? It doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
Why do we say Thunder and lightning in that order when thunder, as we know, is a consequence of lightning and should come first.
I can't wait. :banghead: You hear it all the time. " When are you going to America ?" "Next Saturday and I can't wait". My response ? You'll have to as the flight doesn't take off until next Saturday.
Let's get sentimental Lol. "My mum and dad are coming over from Germany at the weekend and I can't wait to see them"
You''l have to wait as they won't be here until the weekend and it's only Wednesday.I despair when I hear some football pundits speaking. The commentators are fine, though.
"He should of went round him" "The ball has came in from the left" "If he (the goalkeeper ) had came out sooner he'd have stopped that goal"
Five Live's presenter, Colin Murray, uses this 'came' a lot. and once said "He could have gone to Stoke but he has went to West Brom"
A bit different but you've got to love John Motson aka Motty. Not the grammar but just what he said.
For starters. "For those of you watching in black and white Spurs are in the all- yellow. strip" I also heard of someone commentating on a snooker game say something similar re the colour of the balls.
I still recall hearing this one. He was commentating on a Spurs game..again. Spurs had a German player..a very good one..called Stefan Fruend and pronounced Froint as in 'oint-ment'. Motty always called him Frunt and in one piece of commentary he said. "Frunt to Anderton to Ginola and back to Frunt "
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Now that’s a creative use of a double quote mark — I guess you intend the second one to stand in for the missing l ?
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Though I gave him a pass after I read it as that’s a difficult construction anyway and I’m not sure how one could do much better.
Edit. I think he should’ve just not made them plurals. Thus: … infected with could of and for free.
I appreciate the potential error in my post referring to could ofs or of's but I have to claim a little bit of poetic licence here because it is quite illiterate to use ofs OR of's in the first place since there is no such thing. I agree with sphexx (although if it was my name I would of (sic) used a capital S
) in that I could of, oops, could have said 'infected with could of and for free'.
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This subject is a favourite of mine.
One I don't like to hear is 'off of'. I'd never heard it until I moved down here.
I know this is what Americans say but when I heard it a few times when I was over there I couldn't make sense of it. We say "I couldn't care less" It makes sense. They say "I could care less" which sounds to me as though they hadn't totally given up on whatever it was they were referring to.
Wrong word. I sometimes worked alongside a plant technician who would look at the instrument panel and upon seeing one registering an unusual reading would say ..."There's something highly salubrious here"
I'm sure no-one will be able to give an answer to this one. Whoever thought that saying.."can you tell which is which or "You can tell he's bluffing" and re twins. "How can you tell them apart ?" Tell ? It doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
Why do we say Thunder and lightning in that order when thunder, as we know, is a consequence of lightning and should come first.
I can't wait. :banghead: You hear it all the time. " When are you going to America ?" "Next Saturday and I can't wait". My response ? You'll have to as the flight doesn't take off until next Saturday.
Let's get sentimental Lol. "My mum and dad are coming over from Germany at the weekend and I can't wait to see them"
I despair when I hear some football pundits speaking. The commentators are fine, though.
"He should of went round him" "The ball has came in from the left" "If he (the goalkeeper ) had came out sooner he'd have stopped that goal"
Five Live's presenter, Colin Murray, uses this 'came' a lot. and once said "He could have gone to Stoke but he has went to West Brom"
A bit different but you've got to love John Motson aka Motty. Not the grammar but just what he said.
For starters. "For those of you watching in black and white Spurs are in the all- yellow. strip" I also heard of someone commentating on a snooker game say something similar re the colour of the balls.
I still recall hearing this one. He was commentating on a Spurs game..again. Spurs had a German player..a very good one..called Stefan Fruend and pronounced Froint as in 'oint-ment'. Motty always called him Frunt and in one piece of commentary he said. "Frunt to Anderton to Ginola and back to Frunt "
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I think a lot of those you quote are probably regional variations and may be considered correct for those areas. It was all right when I were lad (as they say round here) and all the geezers on the wireless talked proper* but now with all these brummies, scousers, geordies etc …
* John Arlot was acceptable and a sprinkling of educated Jocks, no one too broad and all with good grammar
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I might add it is hard work being a Grammar Nazi since one has to check one's own use of apostrophes all the time or risk being pulled up by people of a similar bent.
Since we are talking about Americanisms, one I really hate is 'gotten'. However, language is a thing alive and so long as there are plausible reasons for a change then I suppose one has to let it go. When I was in Boston in the eighties, I was surprised to hear the use of behove or behooves which is very quaint and, I presume, from the 1800s or so.
And since I'm on a bit of a rant: People who start every spoken sentence with 'So'.
For example.
"Where have you been today?"
"So I stayed at home until this afternoon."
Substitute 'therefore' for 'so' and it is possible to see how incorrect it is (he says, ending on a preposition).
And to continue:
'Different to' instead of 'different from'. Arrgh!
Since we are talking about Americanisms, one I really hate is 'gotten'. However, language is a thing alive and so long as there are plausible reasons for a change then I suppose one has to let it go. When I was in Boston in the eighties, I was surprised to hear the use of behove or behooves which is very quaint and, I presume, from the 1800s or so.
And since I'm on a bit of a rant: People who start every spoken sentence with 'So'.
For example.
"Where have you been today?"
"So I stayed at home until this afternoon."
Substitute 'therefore' for 'so' and it is possible to see how incorrect it is (he says, ending on a preposition).
And to continue:
'Different to' instead of 'different from'. Arrgh!
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You are not entirely wrong but when I first used it for an email address Sphex was unavailable and thus it’s sphexx and sometimes sphexxx etc if I’m asked for a username so it’s no longer a Genus but maybe a Specific
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People hear "could've" as "could of" so thats how they pronounce it so Nod is in fact correct.Sorry but I disagree, can‘t say it’s everyone but I definitely hear the “o” on TV and so on.
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People hear 'could of' because the speaker is illiterate or lazy and has no idea that the pronunciation is nearer 'could have' not 'could of'; the pronouncer would probably also write 'could of'.
It's as if people weren't taught English at all at school but instead found some words in the gutter and put them together; I don't blame the schools as they can only work with the materials they are given. When I went to school aged four or five (can't remember which), I could already read to a reasonable standard as my mother had taught me at home, my own kids could read when they first went to school. Some children going to their first school these days, barely know how to use the toilet let alone string a couple of basic sentences together.
And Nod, I think you mean: Not quite. "Could of" is what you hear when someone says "Could've" INcorrectly.
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I've noticed that 'so' seems to be mainly used by young people. It annoys me too. 'Different from' 'different to' and 'different than' have been in use for hundreds of years,it seems with 'different from' going back to the 15th century so it seems it's a case of 'you takes your pick'..Lol
I wouldn't expect people on this side of the Pond to use the term 'gotten' It sounds out of place in our form of english. I can't recall which UK TV news channel it was but on either Friday or yesterday a reporter said exactly that..'gotten'. I wasn't impressed.
What do you think about words that start with H being pronounced Haitch instead of Aitch. Drives me nuts
.Not long ago the bank HBOS was involved in what became known as the Reading fraud. It involved the branch at Reading so each night on the news for a few evenings I was tortured having to listen to the reporter s talking about HaitchBOS. Here's another thorn in my side. To harass someone is now harrass. [ha..rass] Same with harassment..now ha -rassment. The only people I heard pronouncing it like that before it became widespread were those with Jamaican roots and mainly the young.I think we're in a minority on here bothering about all this, Martin
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Indeed and the bloody computer spillchucker and autoincomplete (don’t use the grammar chucker) works against one all the time.
I find I use So … a fair bit, I always thought I got it from the movies (Americanism alert!) as in Zo, for you Tommy ze war is ofer.
Quite a few US versions are the English they/we took there but we have diverged. I often think (haven’t checked) that gotten is one of those.
I’m sure you really know that not ending with a preposition is a false rule and is something up with which we should not put.
But 'Different to' instead of 'different from' which nearly everyone does is definitely Arrgh and seems so illogical to me ;(.
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Indeed and the bloody computer spillchucker and autoincomplete (don’t use the grammar chucker) works against one all the time.
I find I use So … a fair bit, I always thought I got it from the movies (Americanism alert!) as in Zo, for you Tommy ze war is ofer.
Quite a few US versions are the English they/we took there but we have diverged. I often think (haven’t checked) that gotten is one of those.
I’m sure you really know that not ending with a preposition is a false rule and is something up with which we should not put.
But 'Different to' instead of 'different from' which nearly everyone does is definitely Arrgh and seems so illogical to me ;(.
A minority like us three should stick together, we could be persecuted
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Having just had a trawl through the web, gotten is definitely older than USA but the clincher for me is when I came across reference to ill-gotten gains which I think we would all accept as English!
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That annoy's the hell (outta* me) out of me,
especially when its a radio interview.
* I think that going back a few years, with the invention of text and then txt spk,
to cut down a sentence to 160 (was it? ) characters, that language is evolving.
Even many of the news readers, now have a local dialect, the Queens English is very much a thing of the past.
People are bound to write what they hear or think they heard.
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I think you may be right but dammit, one has to try. Adding to your harass, I might add the now common bugbear of taking a noun and putting 'ized' or 'ised' after, as in hospitalised, burglarised; how long before people are no longer hydrated but waterised? Is there no end?I think we're in a minority on here bothering about all this, Martin
Love itIndeed and the bloody computer spillchucker and autoincomplete (don’t use the grammar chucker) works against one all the time.
I find I use So … a fair bit, I always thought I got it from the movies (Americanism alert!) as in Zo, for you Tommy ze war is ofer.
Quite a few US versions are the English they/we took there but we have diverged. I often think (haven’t checked) that gotten is one of those.
I’m sure you really know that not ending with a preposition is a false rule and is something up with which we should not put.
I might add that the fake German accent people may have got it right since in the case of 'Zo, Tommy...' the 'Zo', or of course, 'So' can be replaced by 'therefore' and hence may be correct depending upon the previous sentence as in:
The German officer stares out of the window and says,
"Ze allies have lost and have left you behind."
He turns to face the hapless soldier and says,
Zo, Tommy, for you ze war is over".
I can cope with that.
One just has to change 'different' to 'differs' and it all makes sense as one wouldn't say 'differs to'.
Merely listening to the way people speak and seeing how they write is persecution enough.A minority like us three should stick together, we could be persecuted
I think we may have given this enough of a thrashing as, has been mentioned above, Facebook is, unfortunately, no longer down.
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I don’t want to prolong this too much but the usual use of So at the start of a sentence seems to me to have a different feel than therefore, a word I use quite a lot. Isn't So usually more So… ?
I think 'gotten' is just another example of how English was spoken and written during the period when the American colonies were founded. 'Fall' was also quite common in England, although 'autumn' is an older word, and I prefer it.
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They haven’t heard of either round here, it’s always ‘t’backend’
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.... That's the key to it (as I have highlit in bold) - Language constantly continues to evolve through time according to its usage. So that what may be termed as colloquial or slang now eventually becomes adopted into both the spoken and written English. Generally the spoken tends to lead the way and the written follows.
Different words which not that long ago were unacceptable, such as "f***", then become widely acceptable - The F-word on TV broadcast programmes for example. And other words which were totally acceptable, such as "nigger", become unacceptable in spoken language. But note that TP doesn't yet accept the F-word written in full!
Language is changing all the time and is driven by what is adopted to be spoken and it doesn't matter who says it. This is sooo cool, doncha think?
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Yes, and I don’t mind most changes and I like the archaic forms, just as well as thee and tha’ are still common round here
, but dislike ones that obscure meaning like the now common disinterested for uninterested and so on .
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Cor blimey mate, strike a light, apples and pears me ol' china [jumps sideways into the air and clicks heels]. My, my, where's me chimney sweep brushes Mary Poppins? Me 'ol bam-boo, me ol' bam-boo, you'd better never bovver with me ol' bam-boo.We all think people should talk like what we do.
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7 pages, my best ever thread.
Of course! This is what happens when you talk about Facebook. Don't tell anyone here but FB is very popular.
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Yes & no. As I’ve probably said in this thread controversial postings get higher rating on Facebook and maybe similarly if people hate FB a post about it here may get a lot of attention
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.... Don't take my comments too literally, nor too seriously < It then misses my point.Yes & no. As I’ve probably said in this thread controversial postings get higher rating on Facebook and maybe similarly if people hate FB a post about it here may get a lot of attention
Let's just say that Facebook is a 'marmite' subject and that I am a lover and not a hater of it.
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I never realised it was such a thing.
I should of, sorry, should've researched it.
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I never realised it was such a thing.
I should of, sorry, should've researched it.
No, no! I think we should have all congratulated you on reaching this personal 7-page milestone, great achievement, well done! Very remiss if me not to have said it before! .- Messages
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I stopped actively using Facebook a few years ago. I finally just deleted the account. I’d kept it because it was home to thousands of images I’d uploaded over the years. However I came to realise that I never go back and look at them. So adiós Facebook.
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You could have downloaded all your images, though it sounds like you didn’t need to.
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You‘re right, I could have. But seeing as I’ve never felt the need to go back and look at them I thought there‘d be no need to use up storage space on them.
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The more you look at MZ, the more of a Bond villain he appears to be; I think absolute power is corrupting absolutely.