Faceberk Down.

[sphexx]

Strange, I never understood the logic of joining a photography site and never posting an image.

There could be more than one reason.

1. I’ve seen several, some fairly longstanding members, say they are are grateful for all they’ve learned from the forums.

2. It’s possible to have an interest and knowledge of photography without taking photos in a ‘serious’ (artistic?) way. Think about all those people who are interested in paintings and other art work and yet never wave a brush or chisel . Do all people who like music fondle flutes or violate violins? I think not.

3. Have you seen many collections of photos taken by the great professional photo printers from the film era? Say HCB’s printer Voja Mitrovic (https://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2010/08/voya-mitrovic-part-i.html)

4. Photographs by John Berger (who did paint but not photograph I think) who wrote widely about the visual arts including photography.

5. I could go on … and on, but that would be tedious.

Of course, I’m not saying all non-photo-posters here are cryptic great printers or art critics, but you get the idea?

There are more things in heaven and earth,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy

… did someone say that before or did he say there’s nowt so queer as folk? Oh, no that was the other guy. ​

​

 

[Nod]

.... Very good!

Fortunately I had already shown my dinner to my Fwends on Facebook before it went down :

LOBSTER FOR DINNER! by Robin Procter, on Flickr

That's a bloody huge whelk behind the lobster! Or is it a normal sized whelk behind a shrimp?

 

[Sky]

I used WhatsApp for a few months about ten years ago when it first started and thought it was great.

Then Faceache took it over, so I deleted it immediately.

 

[Cobra]

There could be more than one reason.

1. I’ve seen several, some fairly longstanding members, say they are are grateful for all they’ve learned from the forums.

2. It’s possible to have an interest and knowledge of photography without taking photos in a ‘serious’ (artistic?) way. Think about all those people who are interested in paintings and other art work and yet never wave a brush or chisel . Do all people who like music fondle flutes or violate violins? I think not.

3. Have you seen many collections of photos taken by the great professional photo printers from the film era? Say HCB’s printer Voja Mitrovic (https://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2010/08/voya-mitrovic-part-i.html)

4. Photographs by John Berger (who did paint but not photograph I think) who wrote widely about the visual arts including photography.

5. I could go on … and on, but that would be tedious.

Of course, I’m not saying all non-photo-posters here are cryptic great printers or art critics, but you get the idea?

There are more things in heaven and earth,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy

… did someone say that before or did he say there’s nowt so queer as folk? Oh, no that was the other guy. ​

​

Whatever, but its still a shame that some people can't or won't join in the community as a whole, there are several open threads where you can post an image "on theme" and you / they don't even have to bother with starting a thread, that bit has already been done.

 

[RedRobin]

There could be more than one reason.

2. It’s possible to have an interest and knowledge of photography without taking photos in a ‘serious’ (artistic?) way. Think about all those people who are interested in paintings and other art work and yet never wave a brush or chisel . Do all people who like music fondle flutes or violate violins? I think not.

.... That is a very valid reason indeed. However, I think that websites such as Flickr would satisfy the non-photographer much better. Flickr, as doubtless you already know, has a structure of albums and galleries (and also groups) and so all you would have to do is create your own gallery/galleries and curate your own selected favourites.

Dare I, dare I, say that some Facebook Groups also present excellent collections of photographs posted by their members which you can enjoy. And Instagram is even more inspiring when you find and Follow photographers and artists whose work you love. Really, believe me, it is!

I would add that since Facebook recently decided to allow literally anyone to post in a Public (publicly viewable) Group and thereby encouraged spammers etc, many have changed their status to Private Group which means you have to be a member to view it. Group Admins are then able to approve or deny each application for membership and so weed out the miscreants.

I admin a couple of Facebook groups I have created (one currently with over 8,000 members) and I use Facebook's given option of asking 3 simple questions to all applicants. This means that those seeking to promote sexual activity for example can be spotted and permanently Blocked so they can't even see your existence. I often notice that Facebook have already found them first and have de-activated their membership of Facebook as a whole.

 

[sphexx]

I used WhatsApp for a few months about ten years ago when it first started and thought it was great.

Then Faceache took it over, so I deleted it immediately.

And you probably know that the man who sold it to FB also left them when they broke their word (leaving behind about a billion $) and founded (co-founded/financed?) Signal which is better, except few use it .

 

[Sky]

And you probably know that the man who sold it to FB also left them when they broke their word (leaving behind about a billion $) and founded (co-founded/financed?) Signal which is better, except few use it .

I didn't, but I shall take a look at it later today - thanks.

 

[RedRobin]

I used WhatsApp for a few months about ten years ago when it first started and thought it was great.

Then Faceache took it over, so I deleted it immediately.

.... So you cut your nose to spite your face(book).

OK, that's being much more highly principled than I am and is equivalent to not buying Nike trainers because of their poor employment standards (compared to the Western world). But they make exceptionally good trainers.

If you start refusing to buy all food products which don't use recyclable packaging and plastics in particular, you are likely to starve. I try to buy everything recyclable but it's not always practical.

I use myself as an example of many people's attitudes in this subject. < @sphexx Richard, please note.

 

[Sky]

.... So you cut your nose to spite your face(book).

Hardly, I just won't allow myself or my data to be used by someone else for profit (if possible). I also refuse to have anything Google related on my computer and any of my gadgets for the same reason, although in the early days I thought Google was great. However, now they want to rule the world, I do my best to oppose them.

 

[RedRobin]

Whatever, but its still a shame that some people can't or won't join in the community as a whole, there are several open threads where you can post an image "on theme" and you / they don't even have to bother with starting a thread, that bit has already been done.

.... It is a shame but unfortunately traffic and consequently interaction is both very slow and very minimal. And it's always the same people. It's ok but only ok and not encouraging like Facebook and Instagram can be. FB and Insta can be very encouraging and inspiring and they network on a much wider world scale.

Sorry, but I am a fan of Instagram and Facebook and hope they continue to exist even if in a modified form, which I think they will. And I don't care two figs whether anyone else makes £10 or £10billion profits. I benefit a lot on several levels directly due to being active on Facebook and Instagram (which reminds me I have a Giclee print order to do).

Don't forget that Mark Zuckerberg started Facebook as a college internal network but it developed it's own life when it got adopted by people on a wider scale. This was of course greatly helped by the fact that Mark Zuckerberg is Jewish and consequently is highly skilled at making money - It's virtually in his DNA. No shame in that!

Likewise, The Rolling Stones were just a bunch of lads who loved Blues music but they became famous and very rich without even trying. They still love the Blues!

 

[Sky]

Don't forget that Mark Zuckerberg started stole Facebook as a college internal network but it developed it's own life when it got adopted by people on a wider scale.

Fixed that for you.

 

[Cobra]

It is a shame but unfortunately traffic and consequently interaction is both very slow and very minimal.

It's the way forums work always have done,
Of course FB can be more rapid with its interaction, generally groups have very like minded people, but only on a specific subject of interest.
Falconry groups, for example. although there are a few BoP images here, on a true falconry group there will be 100's of falconers ...
all posting similar images thoughts etc.

and of course posting images on internet forums such as these, mostly you will be told the truth about "your" image, face book is for friends to tell you how great yours are

But say what you will about FB, ever since it went off line for a day, the fuel "crisis" seems to have ended, here at least.

 

[RedRobin]

Hardly, I just won't allow myself or my data to be used by someone else for profit (if possible). I also refuse to have anything Google related on my computer and any of my gadgets for the same reason, although in the early days I thought Google was great. However, now they want to rule the world, I do my best to oppose them.

.... Ok, I can respect your decisions and you living by high principles but what is your way of dealing with cookies which so many websites use to collect information about you? And the use of cookies is rapidly increasing.

 

[RedRobin]

Fixed that for you.

.... I didn't know that. Assuming it to be true, did Zuckerberg steal the idea or was it something more material?

Either way, it doesn't alter the fact that billions of people have adopted it and enjoy using it and are grateful for its existence. Once upon a time you thought his products were "great" too but it's only your principles which aren't allowing you to continue thinking so.

If as a result of all the flak ricocheting around the hyperinterwebbynet about Facebook currently, once it all settles and IF Facebook rises like a Pheonix in a more acceptable form to you, might you return to its "great" products?

 

[RedRobin]

...and of course posting images on internet forums such as these, mostly you will be told the truth about "your" image, face book is for friends to tell you how great yours are

But say what you will about FB, ever since it went off line for a day, the fuel "crisis" seems to have ended, here at least.

.... It's quite rare that I disagree with you Chris but although many FB friends do tell you how great our pics are (you do so to me on FB!) it's not always the case at all. I can give you the names of several of my Friends on FB who criticise my work honestly < @the black fox Jeff as just one very regular example. And I do so to others (as politely and diplomatically as possible).

Re the fuel shortage, it's still going on down here in West Dorset (I last checked my V-Power sources yesterday).

It's people who are the problem. Facebook is just a reflection and expression of how stupid people can be. Just as TP Hot Topics is a reflection of how obsessed people can be with politics and all that stuff.

 

[nandbytes]

But say what you will about FB, ever since it went off line for a day, the fuel "crisis" seems to have ended, here at least.

Are you saying all the truck drivers were on FB instead of working?

 

[Sky]

.... Ok, I can respect your decisions and you living by high principles but what is your way of dealing with cookies which so many websites use to collect information about you? And the use of cookies is rapidly increasing.

I don't allow them on my system. If a website won't work without them, I don't use that website. Of course for trusted sites like this one, I allow the ones necessary for log-in, but that's it.

I also block all trackers (most offenders being Faceache, Google and Amazon) and adverts etc. That even includes some annoying pop-ups from trusted sites.

I also don't allow private businesses' staff members to have free access to my house so they can rummage around in my drawers and cupboards - same principle.

 

[sphexx]

I didn't, but I shall take a look at it later today - thanks.

Brian Acton, he has about 2.5 billion $ so giving up nearly another billion on a point of principle wasn’t peanuts to him like it might be to Zuckerberg.

Brian Acton - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Cobra]

It's quite rare that I disagree with you Chris but although many FB friends do tell you how great our pics are (you do so to me on FB!) it's not always the case at all.

Fairy nuff if I thought it was crap I'd tell you also. But of course there many many many people that only post for the reason I gave. I guess when it comes down to it FB is many things from Has anyone seen my cat, he has 2 white front feet.
He never came home for his tea and needs his medication,
to serious discussions about any given subject,

It's people who are the problem. Facebook is just a reflection and expression of how stupid people can be ..

... Perpetuating a siege mentality. The latest I've seen is no turkey's for that "day"
Let them eat cake I say

Just as TP Hot Topics is a reflection of how obsessed people can be with politics and all that stuff.

Agreed.

 

[Cobra]

Are you saying all the truck drivers were on FB instead of working?

No, certainly around here, there have been no posts since, ie "I only have a just over half a tank of diesel where can I get it?
I need to take the kids to school in the morning"

 

[sphexx]

Don't forget that Mark Zuckerberg started Facebook as a college internal network but it developed it's own life when it got adopted by people on a wider scale. This was of course greatly helped by the fact that Mark Zuckerberg is Jewish and consequently is highly skilled at making money - It's virtually in his DNA. No shame in that!

Mark Zuckerberg started stole Facebook as a college internal network

Fixed that for you.

Don’t forget the 2 male students who employed Zuckerberg to help code it called it Face- because it started as a thing to ’rate’ the women in the college … not on their academic ability.

 

[Cobra]

I missed this bit...

Re the fuel shortage, it's still going on down here in West Dorset (I last checked my V-Power sources yesterday).

I drove past about half a dozen garages locally yesterday, non had queues.
Although I am down to almost 3/4 of a tank full I did resist filling up again

 

[Cobra]

And a word from the man himself

 

[Deleted member 68495]

I missed this bit...

I drove past about half a dozen garages locally yesterday, non had queues.
Although I am down to almost 3/4 of a tank full I did resist filling up again

Haven't seen any queues in East Cornwall and filled up some 5 litre petrol cans yesterday (for the garden machinery) without getting attacked as a hoarder. I too am down to 3/4 of a tank of diesel and may have to start thinking about filling up sometime towards the end of November . Shows how much I use my van. I spend more on road tax and insurance than I do on fuel.

 

[Cobra]

I spend more on road tax and insurance than I do on fuel.

When I was working, I'd use a tank of diesel most days, ( 5 /7 )a day and a half max.
Thank god I wasn't footing the bill for that

 

[Marc]

This was of course greatly helped by the fact that Mark Zuckerberg is Jewish and consequently is highly skilled at making money - It's virtually in his DNA.

Seriously??

 

[nandbytes]

Seriously??

I am more surprised it wasn't modded out

 

[RedRobin]

Seriously??

I am more surprised it wasn't modded out

.... Why? It's not anti Semetic. In fact it's pro Jewish and an acknowledgement of inherent skills and abilities. A generalisation yes, but with no undertones even.

Marc, I noticed you omitted to include my words "There's no shame in that" when quoting me.

Are we now living in a world where it's not allowed to make any generalisations about the positives of belonging to a particular race? And perhaps to not even mention the name of someone's race?

If I say that Black guys are generally excellent at athletics, or Chinese are good at xyz, etc, is that considered to be racist?

 

[Marc]

.... Why? It's not anti Semetic. In fact it's pro Jewish and an acknowledgement of inherent skills and abilities. A generalisation yes, but with no undertones even.

Marc, I noticed you omitted to include my words "There's no shame in that" when quoting me.

Are we now living in a world where it's not allowed to make any generalisations about the positives of belonging to a particular race? And perhaps to not even mention the name of someone's race?

If I say that Black guys are generally excellent at athletics, or Chinese are good at xyz, etc, is that considered to be racist?

Words have history Robin. It's a stereotype, one that was used to demonise jews and we all know where that led.

 

[RedRobin]

Words have history Robin. It's a stereotype, one that was used to demonise jews and we all know where that led.

.... Yes, it can be interpreted as a stereotype but I am actually doing the opposite of demonising Jews Jewish people in the context of my post. Which hopefully you have understood and respected and hence not deleted my comment. It's more of a generalisation than a stereotype in this case.

 

[nandbytes]

.... Why? It's not anti Semetic. In fact it's pro Jewish and an acknowledgement of inherent skills and abilities. A generalisation yes, but with no undertones even.

Are we now living in a world where it's not allowed to make any generalisations about the positives of belonging to a particular race? And perhaps to not even mention the name of someone's race?

If I say that Black guys are generally excellent at athletics, or Chinese are good at xyz, etc, is that considered to be racist?

Didn't say it was or not.
As Marc said there is history and it can raise unpleasant feelings even if you meant it in a positive manner. Some things are more sensitive than others and in this case I felt it lacked the necessary sensitivity around the matter.

.... Yes, it can be interpreted as a stereotype but I am actually doing the opposite of demonising Jews Jewish people in the context of my post. Which hopefully you have understood and respected and hence not deleted my comment. It's more of a generalisation than a stereotype in this case.

As you rightly appreciate it can be interpreted in the wrong way too. The ambiguity can go both ways.

 

[Marc]

.... Yes, it can be interpreted as a stereotype but I am actually doing the opposite of demonising Jews Jewish people in the context of my post. Which hopefully you have understood and respected and hence not deleted my comment. It's more of a generalisation than a stereotype in this case.

Generalism, stereotype. The effect is the same.

 

[sphexx]

.... Yes, it can be interpreted as a stereotype but I am actually doing the opposite of demonising Jews Jewish people in the context of my post. Which hopefully you have understood and respected and hence not deleted my comment. It's more of a generalisation than a stereotype in this case.

It is a stereotype but I’m fairly sure you didn’t intend it as a put down. However, the point is, why did you write it? It’s not relevant to Zuckerberg’s rise to vast wealth. He might have become fairly rich anyway but mostly it was down to lucky timing, as with Bill Gates (who as far as I know is not Jewish ) and several other of the Internet zillionaires .

 

[RedRobin]

Didn't say it was or not.
As Marc said there is history and it can raise unpleasant feelings even if you meant it in a positive manner. Some things are more sensitive than others and in this case I felt it lacked the necessary sensitivity around the matter.

As you rightly appreciate it can be interpreted in the wrong way too. The ambiguity can go both ways.

.... Fair enough. I'm glad that it has been interpreted in the positive manner it was intended.

Noticing your forum 'handle' and out of curiosity, do references to bacon ever offend some people's sensitivities? My local family butchers have some very strong notices in their shop about vegans and bacon which would definitely offend some folks.

Back on topic, it would seem that Mark Zuckerberg's statements in response to Frances Haugen's claims/allegations suggest a looong battle might be fought. Haugen's publication of so many documents as evidence of her allegations might on the face(book) of it seem to make it a straightforward open-and-shut case but, as usual, it's often a case of context. Where's the popcorn? - Hopefully this TP thread will keep readers updated.

 

[nandbytes]

.... Fair enough. I'm glad that it has been interpreted in the positive manner it was intended.

Noticing your forum 'handle' and out of curiosity, do references to bacon ever offend some people's sensitivities? My local family butchers have some very strong notices in their shop about vegans and bacon which would definitely offend some folks.

Back on topic, it would seem that Mark Zuckerberg's statements in response to Frances Haugen's claims/allegations suggest a looong battle might be fought. Haugen's publication of so many documents as evidence of her allegations might on the face(book) of it seem to make it a straightforward open-and-shut case but, as usual, it's often a case of context. Where's the popcorn? - Hopefully this TP thread will keep readers updated.

It actually offends me to some extent. I'm vegetarian.
But @Cobra put it there and i don't actually think I can edit it.

 

[Sky]

It actually offends me to some extent. I'm vegetarian.

Bacon offends you? That's ridiculous - whether you're a veggie or not.

I love meat (I was designed to eat it after all), but I could never be offended by an item of food - even vegetables.

Having travelled to many, many countries in my life including lots in Africa, Asia and South America, there's not much I haven't eaten even if it was just to try it. Trust me, if you were really hungry, you'd eat meat - even rats. Vegetarianism is a luxury only rich people can afford.

 

[sphexx]

It actually offends me to some extent. I'm vegetarian.
But @Cobra put it there and i don't actually think I can edit it.

Since vegetarians & vegans have appropriated the word bacon I can’t see that it should offend. In the US at least they call the real thing pork bacon* as opposed to the stuff they make out of fungi — you could send @Cobra some of that ,

* As I heard on Babbage, the Economist podcast, today.

Edit, Spillchucker has gone mad today .

 

[nandbytes]

Bacon offends you? That's ridiculous - whether you're a veggie or not.

I love meat (I was designed to eat it after all), but I could never be offended by an item of food - even vegetables.

Having travelled to many, many countries in my life including lots in Africa, Asia and South America, there's not much I haven't eaten even if it was just to try it. Trust me, if you were really hungry, you'd eat meat - even rats. Vegetarianism is a luxury only rich people can afford.

erm thank you for telling me what I should be offended by and not.

I am well travelled too. My family comes from a place where majority are vegetarian and meat is considered a privilege and is an expensive commodity (for someone as well travelled as you claim to be, I wouldn't expect you to be making a such a generalisation). I am a born vegetarian and not because my family was rich (actually they were rather poor!).
Even in this country vegetables are cheaper than meat.

I find your comment a bit flippant and offensive tbh.

 

[nandbytes]

Since vegetarians & vegans have appropriated the word bacon I can’t see that it should offend. In the US at least they call the real thing pork bacon* as opposed to the duff add out of fungi — you could send @Cobra some of that ,

* As I heard on Babbage, the Economist podcast, today.

you don't get to choose what others get offended by or how they feel.
That was my point to Robin (just making the point that its helps to be sensitive and inclusive)

 

[Sky]

I find your comment a bit flippant and offensive tbh.

Oh boy, how do you cope with life? You really need to grow some thicker skin if you wish to live among the human race.

Yes, I've met many people who choose not to eat meat for either cultural or religious reasons - I've even lived amongst them (and gone without meat while I did). I respect their choice, but I'd bet every single one of them would eat meat if it was a choice between that or starving to death.

FYI - I would never intentionally offend someone.