F1 season 2016

Hamilton had more wins but lost the title.

I wonder what the position would be if any race in which either car failed was discounted. But not if they simply crashed out.
This would count the skill but not the cars reliability.
 
It seems Hamilton already has an 88 million fortune so he hardly races for the money.

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Seems I got that wrong 88million was his last years total take.
 
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Byker28i said:
Autosport thinks a suspension or fine is coming hamiltons way
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It will be a fine, who in their right mind would suspend a 3 time world champion for trying to win a 4th?? Especially when he is on £/€33 million a year, all that money sat in the garage? Also, anybody else in hamiltons seat would've done the exact same thing and credit to him, 3 more laps and it could've been Lewis' day (I don't know if the tyres had gone or not)
 
jonoooo125 said:
Nico to pit wall: "This is really slow pace, so maybe at some point we reverse the cars and if Lewis is in second place I'll let him by again, I know that's a stupid request but this is really slow at the moment." (From sky sports website)

Yes, a real champ, asking management to get cars out of the way so he can win, also showing he doesn't even care about winning, settling for second. I wonder if he has mr verstappens number for next year in case it's a red bull in front of him
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LH should have done what he was told and then told the world that that's the only way Mercedes's golden boy could win a straight race.

More seriously, Mercedes had the WCC sewn up a while ago and one of their drivers was going to be WDC so why mess about with what was a good, interesting race? As TW has admitted, asking a driver to throw a race isn't going to work so why did they try to make it?
 
Nod said:
LH should have done what he was told and then told the world that that's the only way Mercedes's golden boy could win a straight race.
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I don't remember the same shock when max told toro rosso that sainz wasn't getting past him, in fact a few hours later everyone was singing his praises for being a racer and making his stand, so team orders aren't always right, sometimes cruel, like when Williams decided the only phrasing they could use to let bottas past massa was "fernandobottas is faster than you"

Also, Lewis was already in trouble for his comments about the mechanics moving around, when he said buy his book in 10 years time, if you're in for a sheep comes to mind.
 
Byker28i said:
Sorry you're wrong. That was a skilful drive to be slow in the right areas and fast where Rosberg could overtake, considering similar cars and drs was so effective on those long straights. Rosberg quite right said that Hamilton did everything right to stop him passing whilst trying to back him into the pack
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I'm not arguing that he didn't do a good job of slowing down, just that I would have liked to think he wouldn't sink that low, especially after claiming he wouldn't.
 
Comfortably Numb said:
I'm not arguing that he didn't do a good job of slowing down, just that I would have liked to think he wouldn't sink that low, especially after claiming he wouldn't.
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He was racing for the championship. The only way he could win it was if Rosberg was overtaken. Seems a legitimate tactic to me.
 
jonoooo125 said:
I don't remember the same shock when max told toro rosso that sainz wasn't getting past him, in fact a few hours later everyone was singing his praises for being a racer and making his stand, so team orders aren't always right, sometimes cruel, like when Williams decided the only phrasing they could use to let bottas past massa was "fernandobottas is faster than you"

Also, Lewis was already in trouble for his comments about the mechanics moving around, when he said buy his book in 10 years time, if you're in for a sheep comes to mind.
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This behaviour has a big knock on effect, though.

Apart from the fact that Max still called on the team to get Sainz to let him past - completely hypocritical - but when Red Bull told him to look after his tyres, a couple of races ago, he refused, needing to stop again & losing a potential podium, that Ricciardo got after protecting his tyres!

The team have all the info & should be respected
 
gremlin16 said:
Hamilton is a weasel. I'm glad he didn't win. I've never been a fan of his spoilt brat selfish antics.
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The sad thing is that originally he was quite humble & had a very decent attitude.

As he became more successful, & surrounded by his entourage, he believed his own hype & is entirely self centred & in his own little bubble.

Maybe it goes with the territory - Schumacher went the same way, & Vettel
 
Just saw Vettel accusing Hamilton of dirty tricks. This from the man who shafted his own team mate after being told to hold position.
 
Gaz J said:
Just saw Vettel accusing Hamilton of dirty tricks. This from the man who shafted his own team mate after being told to hold position.
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And broke the verstappen rule one race in... that he complained about for weeks
 
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The team have all the info & should be respected[/QUOTE]
Ferrari are a glowing example
 
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fuzzyedges said:
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The team have all the info & should be respected
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Ferrari are a glowing example[/QUOTE]

Hmm...Ferrari are a bit of a special case aren't they! :(

They've always been happy to have a No 1 driver, regardless of the rules.

I have a lot more respect for Massa, though, for obeying orders than for Schumacher & Alonso for demanding them.
 
Comfortably Numb said:
I'd have a bit more respect for Hamilton if he hadn't said that he wouldn't back Rosberg up. Also if he was a bit more gracious about Nico's championship win.

Nico is always more gracious in defeat & is able to admit when Lewis has been better on the day. Lewis has become a bit of a whinger, making out that the only reason he lost was poor reliability. He conveniently forgets his many poor starts & the disaster of Baku, for instance, when he wasn't able to cope with a technical issue, like Nico was, & then lost concentration & crashed. He was also gifted the win in Monaco, after Daniel was stuffed by Red Bull strategy. So he had some good luck as well as bad....that's the way sport goes.

Nico put together a better seasons performance & is a worthy champion IMHO.
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Hamilton did congratulate him numerous times after the race and seems happy and in a positive mood.
 
gremlin16 said:
Hamilton is a weasel. I'm glad he didn't win. I've never been a fan of his spoilt brat selfish antics.
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Comfortably Numb said:
The sad thing is that originally he was quite humble & had a very decent attitude.

As he became more successful, & surrounded by his entourage, he believed his own hype & is entirely self centred & in his own little bubble.

Maybe it goes with the territory - Schumacher went the same way, & Vettel
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Yet actually when you meet them it's amazing how sane and normal they are.
 
I've met and spoken with Hamilton several times, same with Rosberg. Always found them decent people. I guess it's where you meet them and under what circumstances
 
Bet Bernie loved that though. Exciting race, drama, perfect for him :)
 
Paddy Lowes take on the "instruction "
I might be reading it wrong but it dosnt gel with what occured to me with the radio bits we heard or what Toto was saying
Gives you an idea on how they are going to speak to Lewis though

The sentance "I'm not driving the car, I don't know what pace was available" ? they have no data at that point ?
and "We don't distort our objectives in the context of the drivers' championship," and he is not even German
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/127300/mercedes-concerns-were-legitimate--lowe
 
FWIW, Mercedes won't take any action at all over Lewis's actions. He is a racing driver trying to win a 4th world championship. What else do they expect? Lewis was in the lead and controlling the pace as is his right. He did nothing dangerous.
I do think he played the last race wrong though. He had nothing to loose so if he had started behind Nico he could have heaped loads of pressure on him during the first few laps when the pack was more tightly bunched in the hope of Nico making a mistake and falling down to 4th.

Personality wise, I'm not a great lover of Lewis, he has become a bit of a 'prima donna' and it does not suit him. I get it, he has earned it. He comes from a humble background unlike a lot of the other drivers on the grid but there is something about him that just does not suit him.

All to play for next year though with new regulations
 
It's all become too commercial. I totally understand it's a business but at times that seems far more important than the racing (which is the only reason they make any money from fans to begin with).
 
So Rosberg will never reach the best of the best even if he was capable
Its a pity Max is locked in that could have given Lewis a headache
 
Whaaaat.... that'll be why wherlein didn't get a seat at force India then
 
jonoooo125 said:
Whaaaat.... that'll be why wherlein didn't get a seat at force India then
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But Rosberg has only just told toto SO HE SAYS
Casting a new light on the hurry up radio message does it not
Solves next years infighting
Rosberg retires!
December 2, 2016 by Joe Saward

New World Champion Nico Rosberg has announced his retirement from Formula 1.

“Since 25 years in racing, it has been my dream, my ‘one thing’ to become Formula One World Champion. Through the hard work, the pain, the sacrifices, this has been my target.And now I’ve made it. I have climbed my mountain, I am on the peak, so this feels right. My strongest emotion right now is deep gratitude to everybody who supported me to make that dream happen.

“This season, I tell you, it was so damn tough. I pushed like crazy in every area after the disappointments of the last two years; they fuelled my motivation to levels I had never experienced before. And of course that had an impact on the ones I love, too – it was a whole family effort of sacrifice, putting everything behind our target. I cannot find enough words to thank my wife Vivian; she has been incredible. She understood that this year was the big one, our opportunity to do it, and created the space for me to get full recovery between every race, looking after our daughter each night, taking over when things got tough and putting ourchampionship first.

“When I won the race in Suzuka, from the moment when the destiny of the title was in my own hands, the big pressure started and I began to think about ending my racing career if I became World Champion. On Sunday morning in Abu Dhabi, I knew that it could be my last race and that feeling cleared my head before the start. I wanted to enjoy every part of the experience, knowing it might be the last time… and then the lights went out and I had the most intense 55 laps of my life. I took my decision on Monday evening. After reflecting for a day, the first people I told were Vivian and Georg (Nolte, from Nico’s management team), followed by Toto.

“The only thing that makes this decision in any way difficult for me is because I am putting my racing family into a toughsituation. But Toto understood. He knew straight away that I was completely convinced and that reassured me. My proudest achievement in racing will always be to have won the world championship with this incredible team of people,the Silver Arrows.

“Now, I’m just here to enjoy the moment. There is time tosavour the next weeks, to reflect on the season and to enjoy every experience that comes my way. After that, I will turn the next corner in my life and see what it has in store for me…”
 
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He would've had a clause in his contract, otherwise how do you get out of it?... they've all known for a long time
 
jonoooo125 said:
they've all known for a long time
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In that case is there more to the swapping mechanics and dodgy motors for Lewis Have they solved the team mate rivalry without sacking someone or instituting team orders
Nico says retiring was on his mind from the start of 2016, which might be one of his few honest statements

It also explains the love fest between Nico and Lewis in the last few days
 
jonoooo125 said:
He would've had a clause in his contract, otherwise how do you get out of it?... they've all known for a long time
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I suspect he either had a break clause, or he simply said I'm done for the reasons stated. You don't want an unmotivated driver being paid millions...contract or not. Fair play to him I think, family should come first, young child. And in a way he sticks it to Hamilton which I guess he will like. He seems to get a bad press whatever he does, so I suspect retiring at 31 with millions in the bank as a world champion to spend time with your young family is pretty hard to argue against.
 
kingo15 said:
Alonso for that seat then
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Ha, yeah right, and a fine for alonso from Honda for breaching contract, they might be able to afford some decent engine upgrades then, he will stick it out like Rossi did at Ducati for the sake of his bank balance, his reputation is still intact
 
jonoooo125 said:
Ha, yeah right, and a fine for alonso from Honda for breaching contract, they might be able to afford some decent engine upgrades then, he will stick it out like Rossi did at Ducati for the sake of his bank balance, his reputation is still intact
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Hasn't he got a get out clause in Jan Feb time if the power is no better than gp3 he can leave.
 
I'd be surprised to see Alonso and Hamilton in the same team again. In any case though Alonso can still pedal, his best days are behind him.

I'd like to see a 'Verstappen' in the team. Not sure who the young chargers are today, but that could be a real good move by Mercedes; clarifies Hamilton's position in the team and brings something new.
 
GeeJay57 said:
I'd be surprised to see Alonso and Hamilton in the same team again. In any case though Alonso can still pedal, his best days are behind him.

I'd like to see a 'Verstappen' in the team. Not sure who the young chargers are today, but that could be a real good move by Mercedes; clarifies Hamilton's position in the team and brings something new.
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Absolutely, Verstappen with Hamilton - that'd be interesting although cannot see it happening. Bottas perhaps.
 
Personally I'm not sure Wehrlein did enough to prove he's that great a talent yet but he could be a good trading piece to tempt another team to part with a driver (some rumours about Bottas to Merc with Williams getting Wehrlein) although that would leave Williams with 2x fairly unproven drivers (Stroll and Pascal) - remember Toto Wolff is Bottas manager.

Next year with the new rules and cars they would potentially be better with some experience alongside Hamilton and really should be looking for the strongest possible driver pairing, if Alonso has the rumoured break clauses in his contract around performance then he'd be a brilliant option, McLaren already have Button contracted up to "not" race, could easily get him back in.

Failing that then put Lauda in the car himself.....
 
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