F1 season 2016

jonoooo125 said:
He would've had a clause in his contract, otherwise how do you get out of it?... they've all known for a long time
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Not sure any contract that required a driver to stay in the hot seat would be enforceable. However hard the FIA are working to make motor sport safe, it's still a dangerous job and I don't think anyone can be forced to do it. If they tried, a driver could simply retire the car before the start and no team would want that!
 
Alonso has the knack of moving from a team on the up to a team on the down, which could be Merc next year
The new rules of 2017 for aerodynamics and pu's dosnt mean Merc is going to be the car to beat
So does Merc go for a No1 No2 driver and relieve the stress level or do they go for two top drivers and allow them to race, bearing in mind Abu dabby
If its the first option Kvyatt looks good the second Alonso / Vettal although I dont think Seb would like to race head to head with Lewis
 
Interesting, Mercedes no longer have a German world champion to use for publicity, defend next year etc. Slight backfire on this years developments?
Especially as most drivers are now signed up for next year.

It'll be interesting how this gets told n the future, but I'm now even more convinced that Rosberg was assisted with the world championship, and he knows it, probably wasn't involved in the decision, but realised he was assisted. hence the sudden announcement
 
And the parting put down

"This is the first time he's won in 18 years, hence why it was not a surprise that he decided to stop," Hamilton said.
 
Byker28i said:
Interesting, Mercedes no longer have a German world champion to use for publicity, defend next year etc. Slight backfire on this years developments?
Especially as most drivers are now signed up for next year.

It'll be interesting how this gets told n the future, but I'm now even more convinced that Rosberg was assisted with the world championship, and he knows it, probably wasn't involved in the decision, but realised he was assisted. hence the sudden announcement
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Hardly sudden if he had already made the decision earlier in the week and couldn't make an announcement until he could be officially declared champion.
 
andy700 said:
I would love to see Alonso in the 2nd Mercedez seat.
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Hum not sure. Whilst Alonso deserves a better car I think Mclaren needs him to stay and the car shows a lot of promise. Button for one year, just to let the drivers contracts sort out? Great driver, had a great partnership with Hamilton before.
 
Another vote for JB. Available and would keep Mercedes with a 2 WDC winner driver pairing.
 
Isn't jb already driving rallycross next year?
 
I'd be amazed if Button's management hasn't had a tentative call or two from Merc - drama-free, proven top driver if he gets a decent car, still in excellent shape, has got on well with Hamilton as a team mate in the past and although still technically under contract would be a lot cheaper to buy out of an office job than someone already in a car.

I'm sure he'd be at least semi-tempted to put off his retirement for a year for an offer to go out in a top car rather than have his last memories of F1 be breaking down in the McHonda.
 
And toto wolff said:
"First of all the way he has chosen to leave Formula 1 is something that is unheard of.
It is something that all of us admire in a certain way, calling it a day when you are the best and at the top."

Really - no other F1 driver has retired after winning the world championship? Never heard of James Hunt
 
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Byker28i said:
And toto wolff said:
"First of all the way he has chosen to leave Formula 1 is something that is unheard of.
It is something that all of us admire in a certain way, calling it a day when you are the best and at the top."

Really - no other F1 driver has retired after winning the world championship? Never heard of James Hunt
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James Hunt retired in 1979 after the Belgian GP if I correctly recall. He won the title in 1976.

Greats like Jackie Stewart and Alain Prost did also retire after taking the crown, third and fourth respectively in each case. In company with Nico, both too had their valid reasons.

Like you, I think Jense would be a good fit at Mercedes. His easy-going character would certainly not be fazed by any antics that teammate comes up with.
 
Byker28i said:
And toto wolff said:
"First of all the way he has chosen to leave Formula 1 is something that is unheard of.
It is something that all of us admire in a certain way, calling it a day when you are the best and at the top."

Really - no other F1 driver has retired after winning the world championship? Never heard of James Hunt
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Can I offer Mike Hawthorn as the first to retire after winning the championship once (the reasons were different the result was the same)
 
Houston1863 said:
Total failure in the department of graceful disposition and gracious deed. Dare I say, he reminds me of a Trump-like character!!!
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I am not a Lewis fan but he is probably the best active driver out there at the moment
Yes he is super confident in his own skill which comes across as arrogant in England, not the done thing old chap and all that but lets be real he was speaking the truth as he was when he said Nico's only problem is having me as a team mate
Which is so true had lewis been in a manor then Nico would have probably been world champ a few years ago
Who the next team mate is going to be is the question Toto has said he dosnt want to detestable other teams (ho ho ) quoting ferrari mac's and the bulls and williams so who does that leave ????
He is certainly going towards a No1 and a No2
 
fuzzyedges said:
I am not a Lewis fan but he is probably the best active driver out there at the moment
Yes he is super confident in his own skill which comes across as arrogant in England, not the done thing old chap and all that but lets be real he was speaking the truth as he was when he said Nico's only problem is having me as a team mate
Which is so true had lewis been in a manor then Nico would have probably been world champ a few years ago
Who the next team mate is going to be is the question Toto has said he dosnt want to detestable other teams (ho ho ) quoting ferrari mac's and the bulls and williams so who does that leave ????
He is certainly going towards a No1 and a No2
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Well Fuzzy my friend, I think he is arrogant!!! I don't buy that ' I'm so blessed ' stuff when he wins since it's easy to say that when you win but under pressure he starts on his engineers and fellow competitors. Remember how he used to say ' Massa deliberately crashed into him ' as at Monaco. It's alright by him when he plays hard and fast with others but give him a taste of his own medicine and he doesn't like one bit of it!! Jackie Stewart's description of him as a ' little ballerina ' is not far off the mark IMHO.

Rewind back to Hungary 2007, the setting for the start of Ron Dennis's downfall in the eyes of some observers. Hamilton ' double-crossed ' Fernando Alonso since it was the latter's turn to have the extra lap of fuel burn-off but Hamilton knowing this, deliberately jumped ahead of the Spaniard thus denying him this opportunity. Of course we know what happened after that. After Fernando retaliated by holding Hamilton up in the pits, ' Cry baby ' cried foul when indeed he was the instigator of it and his ( then ) dear old dad sobbed to the officials and Fernando was demoted to 5th on the grid. Uncle Ron in the meantime had a quiet word with Fernando's trainer ( I believe ) as his protege baby spat out his dummy.

Hamilton is not a sportsman. Neither is he a team player. I'm dismayed he has not been shown the door or at the very least had the riot act read out to him in no uncertain terms at Mercedes, starting with those ludicrous moves at Bahrain in 2014. He is all about himself. As Nigel Mansell tweeted in respect of the deliberate slowing down at Abu Dhabi `

" I am a sportsman no I would not do this thank you " followed by " This is wrong sorry "


I think that says it all about the man. Sorry, boy.

Mercedes have not much to choose from at this stage but they could try for Vettel who is assuredly unhappy at Ferrari but then again that would be continuing or perhaps the start of an even bigger headache of driver management. Hamilton should be in a one-driver team where he can revel in the unrivalled attention. I would personally prefer he was out of the sport. A dirty driver, he sullies it like no other.
 
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As for going slow well he was 9 secs a lap slower and still won what does that say about the two behind?
I am afraid the days of the gentlemen racers is well gone Corperate racers are now the order of the day and when one dosnt do what the chairman of the board dosnt like holy hell breaks out So someone looking out for his own ends is quite refreshing
I dont like scalextric racers
 
fuzzyedges said:
As for going slow well he was 9 secs a lap slower and still won what does that say about the two behind?
I am afraid the days of the gentlemen racers is well gone Corperate racers are now the order of the day and when one dosnt do what the chairman of the board dosnt like holy hell breaks out So someone looking out for his own ends is quite refreshing
I dont like scalextric racers
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Well it'a not the slowness of those laps Fuzzy as the reason and manner of them. One can drive slow and still keep the opposition behind. Take for instance Giles Villeneuve's Spanish GP win in 1981 which led all the top six finishes across the line in a train. Unlike the weekend before last, Giles wasn't up to any tricks. It's just that the Ferrari handled badly but he was fast enough on the straights to stay ahead and thus not be overtaken in the corners. At Abu Dhabi, Cry Baby was deliberately backing Nico into the following twosome as we all know and he was fast enough not to be overtaken where such may have been possible. And of course, Nico could not risk a move not coming off.....and Cry Baby knew that. Nico on the other hand also had Sebastian Vettel covered in the one overtaking point in which the Ferrari driver had a chance to pass him.

I lament the passing of the sporting spirit but I don't think that's a bad thing and no, I cannot stand Cry Baby...


Best regards
 
Houston1863 said:
no, I cannot stand Cry Baby...
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Do you know, we never guessed...
Why stop there, why not bring up Hamilton running Rosberg off the circuit? Or Rosberg doing the same. How about Rosberg reversing onto the track at Monoco?
In fact why not mention Senna taking off Prost to win the world championship, schumacher taking out Hill to do the same , how about Schumacher parking on the corner to foil Alonsos pole lap at Monoco?
Since we're talking Alonso, how about Crashgate, Singapore 2008, or 2007 hungarian grand prix where Alonso held Hamilton up in the pits so he couldn't set a final lap time.

I could keep going about any of the top drivers (or others - too be honest you see that in all levels of racing) but there you go. You call someone who, like many racing drivers, has dedicated his life since age 6 to race and win, a cry baby. A cry baby because he drove extremely skillfully at doing his best to win the world championship in the only way that was possible, to try that tactic after the final pitstop when the team couldn't carry out their threat to influence the race in Rosbergs favour.

That comments says much more about you than Lewis
 
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With Rosberg leaving Mercedes have decided to draw a line under the last race

http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/24...ape-mercedes-punishment-for-abu-dhabi-tactics



Speaking at the Autosport Awards on Sunday night, Lowe gave some further insight into the debate going on behind the radio messages to Hamilton.

"When I told Lewis to speed up the next debate on the pit wall came from Toto to 'tell him again, he hasn't done it'," said Lowe. "So I said 'no, then I will look a complete pillock if I do that again'.

"James [Vowles] who sits to my right, is actually the most fantastic strategist. But it didn't compute with him that the driver wasn't going at the right speed. So he was struggling with that.

"And then it was 'well, make him speed up otherwise the graph shows we'll lose'. So the conversation I was having was 'don't you think once he sees a red car in the mirror he'll put the throttle in a bit harder?'

"So we were having our own debates. But I put a marker down."
 
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Mclaren won't release Alonso, they've repeated today he has a three year contract with them.
Vettel says no
Wehrlein? or a rookie from the lower leagues? Ghiotto? How about Vandoorne - he was excellent standing in for Alonso

Valentino Rossi has said he'd give it a thought
 
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France - Paul Ricard circuit to get a GP in 2018 - thats a surprise.
 
I also understand (mrs read it on Twitter I think), Vettel is definately not available either..
 
Byker28i said:
France - Paul Ricard circuit to get a GP in 2018 - thats a surprise.
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Not really. Bernie owns it and he's spent a lot of money bringing it up to FIA standards over the past few years. I think it because obvious it was going to be added at some point when they started testing there.
 
GeeJay57 said:
Hmm... certain irony in that statement methinks...

Haters will hate I guess.
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I abhor foul play, bad sportsmanship, poor team participation and yes, arrogance. Let's not forget too that back at Melbourne in 2009, Hamilton lied to get Trulli demoted. Liars are perhaps like leopards in character. The bad spots remain.
 
Byker28i said:
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Why stop there, why not bring up Hamilton running Rosberg off the circuit?

Agreed.

Or Rosberg doing the same. When? If you are referring to Barcelona this year, there is a Sky Sports take that showed clearly that Rosberg was ahead and already in the lane when Hamilton then tried to barge his way in......in his usual arrogant " Senna-like, if you don't let me through we'll crash manner "

How about Rosberg reversing onto the track at Monoco? He went into the escape road, tried to back out. Couldn't and stayed put. What's wrong with that?

In fact why not mention Senna taking off Prost to win the world championship, schumacher taking out Hill to do the same , how about Schumacher parking on the corner to foil Alonsos pole lap at Monoco? Agree with all of the above but the discussion was Cry Baby v Nico Rosberg in the main.


Since we're talking Alonso, how about Crashgate, Singapore 2008, Alonso was found to be not involved as you well know

or 2007 hungarian grand prix where Alonso held Hamilton up in the pits so he couldn't set a final lap time. - already discussed in my post above. It was in retaliation to Cry Baby double-crossing him. The term double-cross being used by Andrew Benson since it was true

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/38000198 You'll need to scroll down to Para 4 of ' Start of Downfall '


I could keep going about any of the top drivers (or others - too be honest you see that in all levels of racing) but there you go. You call someone who, like many racing drivers, has dedicated his life since age 6 to race and win, a cry baby. A cry baby because he drove extremely skillfully at doing his best to win the world championship in the only way that was possible, to try that tactic after the final pitstop when the team couldn't carry out their threat to influence the race in Rosbergs favour.

I call him a Cry Baby because with Hamilton, it is always someone else doing things to him. Never his fault. Not even when he double-crossed Alonso or when he had his skirmishes with Massa, when things go wrong for him out on the track, be it technical or tactical and the manner by which he engages with his engineers on the radio, his curt manner. I admit he is highly talented which begs the question why it is necessary to employ his antics. In this age where sportsmanship has become more a luxury and thing of the past, these appear to be more acceptable. More's the pity

That comments says much more about you than Lewis

Your opinion. Your privilege. Why get personal over this? I didn't get personal with you......... :(
 
Houston1863 said:
Your opinion. Your privilege. Why get personal over this? I didn't get personal with you......... :(
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Sorry, wasn't meany to be personal, more a little psychoanalysis. Teach me for reading a little freud recently. At last it wasn't Dr Ruth, you wouldn't have liked that analogy:D
 
fuzzyedges said:
As for going slow well he was 9 secs a lap slower and still won what does that say about the two behind?
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It says one didn't need to overtake and the other didn't want to and just made it look as though he was trying. It's not just spectators that have a dislike for Hamilton.
 
nilagin said:
It says one didn't need to overtake and the other didn't want to and just made it look as though he was trying. It's not just spectators that have a dislike for Hamilton.
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LOL you really don't understand racers mentality. Not going for an overtake, happy to sit there - really? The Merc had such an advantage it wasn't possible with the aged tyres
 
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