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[Mr Bump]

So what?
I see thin people who are as miserable as sin all the time....What's their excuse?

The so what is I couldnt give a toss if people are fat. Fat people know all the problems they are storing up for themselves but its not my body its there's so what ever in my book. God gave you a great body on day one and the rest is up to you to do as you please.

 

[viv1969]

I am discussing obesity here, fat people if you like and specifically on airlines

Airline seats were designed for a certain sized "average" person – because of increasing obesity “average” has got bigger and because of this airlines have become tighter on baggage weights, because of fat people. Airlines need bigger seats.

Of course a fare structure could be worked out, it has already been considered and is in operation with one airline, it is not rocket science.

As for my reasons for posting the vid, I read the news on-line every morning and I thought that the vid was interesting from a number of aspects, that was the only reason, OK I did mention the subject in another thread, so maybe sub-consciously it struck a note, but I did not post the vid for that reason ….. I have also got back from a couple of trips recently and will fly a few times in October ….. and have just booked my seats … so again that could have contributed.

The controversy around the vid is still running and the debate concerning obesity will only get stronger....... it is a serious issue and there is a refusal to recognise it by many people in many situations, transportation being one of them.

If you are "fat" maybe you dislike the arguments, if you are what can be deemed as "normal" maybe you could not care less ......... but there are many in society of all shapes and sizes that care about these issues and will bring it to notice in any way that they can, humour, insults, jokes, examples, etc., and the situation is getting worse not better

In actual fact Bill, you are incorrect.
Airline rules on checked in baggage weight has nnothing whatsoever to do with passenger weight or volume.

The reason for the continuing increase is that passenger airlines can make more money from taking on additional commercial freight than they can from your luggage, and in these times where everything seems to have to be at its destination the day before it leaves, the airlines can charge more and more for hold cargo

The issue of passenger weight has never been a factor in the cost of airline travel, it has always been baggage.

The only time size (not weight) becomes an issue for passenger flight is if the passenger cannot physically fit into a single seat (and has not purchased an additional seat) or if the seatbelt cannot fasten across their lap even when using an extension.

 

[redsnappa]

Fat people contribute to majority of NHS (or equivalent) spending.

Wrong, The biggest extra cost to the NHS is the fact we are all living longer.

 

[Llamaman]

full circle.

That's no way to speak about fat people.

 

[POAH]

Kids that have parents too lazy to use case and punctuation should give them a clip 'round the ear.

had enough of punctuation after I wrote my PhD - its overrated IMHO

 

[Nikon_Nick]

In actual fact Bill, you are incorrect.
Airline rules on checked in baggage weight has nnothing whatsoever to do with passenger weight or volume.

The reason for the continuing increase is that passenger airlines can make more money from taking on additional commercial freight than they can from your luggage, and in these times where everything seems to have to be at its destination the day before it leaves, the airlines can charge more and more for hold cargo

The issue of passenger weight has never been a factor in the cost of airline travel, it has always been baggage.

The only time size (not weight) becomes an issue for passenger flight is if the passenger cannot physically fit into a single seat (and has not purchased an additional seat) or if the seatbelt cannot fasten across their lap even when using an extension.

I wish you would stop actually looking into stuff before posting instead of posting any old crap, and making yourself look foolish...

 

[Llamaman]

So what?
I see thin people who are as miserable as sin all the time....What's their excuse?

Not eating cake and pie or drinking beer. Gerrit in yer.

 

[Llamaman]

Had enough of punctuation after I wrote my Ph.D. - it's overrated I.M.H.O.

F.T.F.Y.

 

[JonathanRyan]

OK, I'm going to pretend this is a serious discussion. I bet I regret that. But PTGui is doing a render and it won't be done for a while....

Airline seats were designed for a certain sized "average" person – because of increasing obesity “average” has got bigger and because of this airlines have become tighter on baggage weights, because of fat people.

That's not true. It's faulty logic.

Average weight has increased. And airlines have become tighter on baggage allowances. But there's absolutely no evidence that those 2 things are connected.

Average weight has gone up because people eat more processed food and sugar is cheap (like everything, it's a bit more complicated than that but in general it's close enough).

Airlines have tightened up on baggage weights because they want/need to make more money. Airline fares have plummeted in recent years (to the ridiculous point that they are now effectively taxed at more than 100%). Airlines are all competing with each other and to a large extent that's because of the informed market that the internet created - I can compare all flights to a destination in minutes and there's a good chance I'm going to choose one that looks cheaper. Enter hidden charges.

I'd rather sit next to somebody really small on a plane flight because seat sizes aren't really adequate even for adults from the golden age when nobody was obese. But that isn't going to happen because I don't want to pay for it. Do you think if they charged "fat" people more for their seats then the airline would reconfigure the flight? "Hey, you need an extra wide seat, you paid for it, so here it is." Or would they have different areas of the plane for fatties? Like the old smoking areas? Nope. I'm afraid that if you want to go to Malaga for less than the parking at the airport then you're going to have to put up with the chance of discomfort. Or pay for business class.

 

[viv1969]

Nature gave you a great body on day one and the rest is up to you to do as you please.

First of all. ..fixed that for you.
Second of all, tell that to my SIL
My nephew was 13lb 2oz born.

Personally, when some gomer with an IQ lower than a house brick once asked me what was the least I'd weighed, I said truthfully 7lb 10oz.

 

[Llamaman]

God gave you a great body

 

[viv1969]

Yes Ruth, you're right, I'm lazy. But don't worry, I'll ensure that my children are taught correctly.

Fixed that for you.

 

[POAH]

Fixed that for you.

Thats what teachers are for.

 

[Mr Bump]

I have never thought fatties are lazy, just always figured they eat to much and can't be bothered doing any exercise, its a subtle difference.

 

[viv1969]

Thats what teachers are for.

Ah....nice touch of parental abdication. Lovely!

Sorry, but as a parent your child's health, education, guidance, discipline....everything...is your responsibility. Everything else is their to assist you.

 

[viv1969]

I have never thought fatties are lazy, just always figured they eat to much and can't be bothered doing any exercise, its a subtle difference.

That difference being.......?

 

[Mr Bump]

To the psychology of those big buggers down the shopping mall I think it means everything.

To the OP though I kinda feel the pain, sitting next to a beast of burden on a flight is pretty grim with all the spillage.

I tend to eat a curry, shed loads of garlic and chick peas before I fly.
I once had one woman get up from her seat and exclaim loudly "Who on earth keeps making those foul smells" my wife was almost crying with laughter.

 

[viv1969]

To the psychology of those big buggers down the shopping mall I think it means everything.

To the OP though I kinda feel the pain, sitting next to a beast of burden on a flight is pretty grim with all the spillage.

I tend to eat a curry, shed loads of garlic and chick peas before I fly.
I once had one woman get up from her seat and exclaim loudly "Who on earth keeps making those foul smells" my wife was almost crying with laughter.

Says it all really.

 

[Llamaman]

"Who on earth keeps making those foul smells"

I trust you set her straight that it was a lamb curry, not chicken.

 

[Swissy]

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I tend to eat a curry, shed loads of garlic and chick peas before I fly.
I once had one woman get up from her seat and exclaim loudly "Who on earth keeps making those foul smells" my wife was almost crying with laughter.

I don't need to eat any of that lot, it comes natural to me lol

 

[Mr Bump]

I don't need to eat any of that lot, it comes natural to me lol

Good Lad

I also think there are quite a lot of people that quite like being fat as society just caters for their needs, local morrisons even has a few of those electric beast carriers to assist the feeders round the supermarket

I mean if supermarkets wanting to help they put all the cake and crisps upstairs with no escalator.

 

[POAH]

Ah....nice touch of parental abdication. Lovely!

Sorry, but as a parent your child's health, education, guidance, discipline....everything...is your responsibility. Everything else is their to assist you.

its too easy to wind you up ha ha ha ha ha

 

[POAH]

I have never thought fatties are lazy, just always figured they eat to much and can't be bothered doing any exercise, its a subtle difference.

lol

 

[viv1969]

its too easy to wind you up ha ha ha ha ha

Oh I'm not wound up, simply concerned for your poor kids.

 

[Gremlin]

I'd rather be on an airplane full of overweight people then in the company of a single drunk.
Never had a problem with overweight people, smokers or any other of this threads construed pariahs.
But rowdy drunks I find totally offensive.
They too cost the NHS money and the police so, plus those that have to clear up after them, so why aren't
we calling for a ban or higher taxes...........................oh hang on I forgot, most people including those that rule
like to drink and it would very unpopular

 

[ZoneV]

Good Lad

I also think there are quite a lot of people that quite like being fat as society just caters for their needs, local morrisons even has a few of those electric beast carriers to assist the feeders round the supermarket

I mean if supermarkets wanting to help they put all the cake and crisps upstairs with no escalator.

Home delivery is handy.

 

[POAH]

Oh I'm not wound up, simply concerned for your poor kids.

Lewis can read better than me TBF

 

[Mr Bump]

Home delivery is handy.

Imagine if Greggs started that service

 

[Dave *]

Imagine if Greggs started that service

You can buy Greggs products from Iceland these days, which would mean that they can be delivered .

http://groceries.iceland.co.uk/frozen-greggs-products

 

[boyfalldown]

This just reminded me of this thread http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2014/08/19/suspicious-quotation-marks/

 

[Cobra]

none of us want a fat one,3 kilos was big enough

Second of all, tell that to my SIL
My nephew was 13lb 2oz born.

Honestly "you" ( couldn't resist ) women!
Both of mine were just under and just over 9Lbs.
I never felt a thing, (although I do still have a few fingernail scars in my forearm )
One turned up to be what would be classed as "normal" ( did it again )
The other makes a racing snake look fat, and he eats what ever he wants, mostly "junk" ( hat-trick ) as it happens.

 

[Gremlin]

Honestly "you" ( couldn't resist ) women!
Both of mine were just under and just over 9Lbs.
.

Typical bloke. all the pleasure and no pain

One turned up to be what would be classed as "normal" ( did it again )
The other makes a racing snake look fat, and he eats what ever he wants, mostly "junk" ( hat-trick ) as it happens.

Didn't take after Dad then

 

[Cobra]

Typical bloke. all the pleasure and no pain

Of course

Didn't take after Dad then

Obviously not the little pair of porkers

 

[viv1969]

Obviously not the little pair of porkers

Is that a euphemism?

 

[Gremlin]

Is that a euphemism?

Oh come on Ruth, he's not........................................................

 

[Cobra]

Is that a euphemism?

No a statement of fact

Oh come on Ruth, he's not........................................................

Yes?

 

[Dave *]

mostly "junk" ( hat-trick ) as it happens.

Is there some "sort" of "competition" to "see" just who is the most "able" to "deplete" the world stock of "punctuation marks"?

 

[Cobra]

Is there some "sort" of "competition" to "see" just who is the most "able" to "deplete" the world stock of "punctuation marks"

This guy has the monopoly on that

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bpIbdZhrzA

 

[Cobra]

Oh and a general heads up Guys.
But I'm sure you don't need it

 

[dejongj]

I have some sympathy for the OP, albeit the opening post could have had a bit more context, perhaps a little less crude by some other, and I also don't tend to stalk cross threads to try and guess motifs.

It seems a topic that attracts some kind of taboo where it can't be discussed. For an issue that is such a ticking timebomb I find it odd. It is no secret that many health problems caused are directly linked, and not just that but also the subsequent enhancements that need to be made to various services like stretchers, beds, door openings, multiple people involved, and not limited to first response services either.

I am obese myself, and most definitely can do with loosing the final 2-3 stone. And no doubt about it that after I left the Airbourne Infantry more food and less exercise on a continued increase has caused that.

And yes I do find it annoying when any type of person, stranger to me, intrudes on my space be it on a plane, train wherever. Size hasn't necessarily got primacy in such occasions, the skinny bloke on the train who can't seem to keep his legs together and spreads his legs in front of three seats is just as annoying as the fat person who just doesn't fit on the seat regardless of how they would try.

Theme parks is another akward experience. On Ramses revenge in chessington the staff had to relocate a rather large chap. He was protesting and making a lot of fuss where nobody would have noticed normally. But the thing was severely imbalanced and wouldn't operate due to his weight. And the woman next to me on the next run was so big that I couldn't raise my arms to hold on to the bars. Flipping annoying, not just because I couldn't hold on, but also being forced to be so close to rub skin for the whole ride.

Anyway as I've got time to kill on the train, Virgin trains with decent width seats , I am rambling on.

I don't care what anyone does. I am not offended by fat people, nor drunks etc. but I do think sensible discussions need to be held as this will be the biggest issue and the root cause for so many problems going forward. Just go into any school, say year 6 or year 7 and the size of the generation coming through makes me sad as from such a young age it will be very hard to recover.

Everyone is entitled to their own choice, mine is to continue working on loosing the stones the hard way; exercise and right diet. And ensuring that the next generation I'm bringing up is aware and focussed on remaining active and eating healthily.


So yes I do think this should be discussed and the OP has a valid point bringing it up.