CRB Checks

snap said:
Hi,

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Im sorry... I hit return too early!!!
I am desperately trying to get myself CRB checked, but I've found that it's not an easy task!

Can anyone suggest an 'organisation' or tell me how I can get this done?

Much help appreciated.

Thanks
 
Thank you...
Although it does state that an 'organistion' has to request for it. But i just want to do it for myself (well, for my business).

How have other people done it?
 
Im pretty sure they have to be requested by a company and are specific to the job they have been requested for. Have a look at this previous thread HERE
 
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Nick_1981 said:
Im pretty sure they have to be requested by a company and are specific to the job they have been requested for. Have a look at this previous thread HERE
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This.

Why do you need one?
 
crofter said:
You can go to the police station and get a police check done, it costs a tenner and takes about three weeks, I've had to arrange this for my son before.
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I hope you don't mean a Subject Access Request.. that would be very naughty if it was in relation to a job application.
 
crofter said:
You can go to the police station and get a police check done, it costs a tenner and takes about three weeks, I've had to arrange this for my son before.
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aye, very different to a CRB check.
 
Just to reiterate the other's question:

Why do you need one?
 
Snap why do you feel you need to be CRB checked?

Please use the search option on here it may help.
 
Heya,

I need one as I'm a portrait photographer and although nobody asks, I think it's good to advertise that you're CRB checked. Especially when photographing little ones.
I dont think it'll be long before its a legal requirement.

Thanks for your help guys.
 
snap said:
Heya,

I need one as I'm a portrait photographer and although nobody asks, I think it's good to advertise that you're CRB checked. Especially when photographing little ones.
I dont think it'll be long before its a legal requirement.

Thanks for your help guys.
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You don't need one.

Are you ever alone with children or vulnerable adults? (and if you are, why?)
 
There's no amount of telling prospective clients that it's not needed. I need to have one for my rugby club, legally I don't but we need to all have one according to the committee. I told them until I was blue in the face to no avail. In the end, it was easier to just get mine renewed.

Unfortunately, most of the general public don't always know if things are legal requirements or not, they just assume
 
kelack said:
There's no amount of telling prospective clients that it's not needed. I need to have one for my rugby club, legally I don't but we need to all have one according to the committee. I told them until I was blue in the face to no avail. In the end, it was easier to just get mine renewed.

Unfortunately, most of the general public don't always know if things are legal requirements or not, they just assume
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Same with me. I had to get one for our rugby club as our child protection officer insisted I needed one, despite me pointing out that I didn't. She then refused to get me one until 6 months time as "her time for getting them had past" and so I wouldn't be able to take any more photos.

I went direct to the RFU and got one to cover all clubs. Put her nose right out of joint.
 
Exactly, so it's no good us all keep saying we don't need one :lol:

Although, on the other hand, the more we educate, the better
 
have we mentioned you don't need one :lol:

that aside theres not a lot of point in having one thats not for a specific purpose because they are only a snap shot of a certain time - someone could get a CRB on monday and get caught downloading child porn on tuesday so as general reassurance to parents its worthless. (not to mention that there are probably a number of paedos who have never been caught )

They are only worth having as reasurance to organisations and even then the average school may well insist on doing their own (the reassurance really comes from doing the check - the certificate itself is worthless because a halfway competent gibbon could run one up in photoshop in about 15 minuites)
 
While we all understand a CRB Disclosure is not a legal requirement that does not mean there is no benefit to having one. Having one available is a great way to market the feeling of safety to clients. Just the words "CRB checked photographer" can make the client feel they are in safe hands.

It may not be needed but it sure does no harm.
 
Hold up, I'm about to agree with Andy! Lol
 
asphotographymk said:
"CRB checked photographer" can make the client feel they are in safe hands.
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but thats because the average client has neglible understanding on these matters - anyone could describe themselves as a 'crb checked photographer' and even having a legit certificate does not equate to "is not a P****" but only to " had not been convicted of any offence at the date of this certificate" ( It's like people who think that because a car has an MOT it must be road worthy)

If they aren't going to leave their child alone with you, why do they care ? (and if they are leaving minors or vulnerable adults alone with you , you want your head read and so do they)

In kelly or FBs case i can see why a juniors rugby club might want to carry out a check - but thats different from individual clients and the emphasis is in ' carrying out a check' rather than being shown a bit of paper.
 
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A lot of them don't understand this though and it is reassuring to them. We've had plenty of debates on this subject on the forums so I don't think we need to rehash it all.
 
fair enough - back to the how can you get it done OP

you can pay (usually about 50 quid) to have it done through an umbrella body (though the chances are good that they'll say 'but you don't need one' - UBs are coming underr increasing pressure from the CRB not to run checks that arent necessary due to cost and load on the system)

You can pay a lot more than that to get it done through an agency

If a particular client requests one if they are a checking body they can do it for you (maybe negotiate a reduction in fee in return) or get their UB to do it.

or you can sign up for some volunteer work that does require one and get it that way
 
Is "CRB checked photographer" a legally valid claim you can make for marketing purposes? or is it false representation?
 
big soft moose said:
but thats because the average client has neglible understanding on these matters - anyone could describe themselves as a 'crb checked photographer' and even having a legit certificate does not equate to "is not a P****" but only to " had not been convicted of any offence at the date of this certificate" ( It's like people who think that because a car has an MOT it must be road worthy)

If they aren't going to leave their child alone with you, why do they care ? (and if they are leaving minors or vulnerable adults alone with you , you want your head read and so do they)

In kelly or FBs case i can see why a juniors rugby club might want to carry out a check - but thats different from individual clients and the emphasis is in ' carrying out a check' rather than being shown a bit of paper.
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Yes i agree. The average client does not fully understand. But the general belief is that the CRB will give them a feeling of security. This may be a naive feeling but its a marketing point never the less. Just the same with a car. An mot may not make it road worthy but when selling a car it sure makes the buyers believe it is.

Its not about if they need it or if they really should care but the reassurance it gives people is the reason it does no harm to have one.

Alastair said:
Is "CRB checked photographer" a legally valid claim you can make for marketing purposes? or is it false representation?
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Nothing false about it if it has been done. It may not mean anything but iwhy would it be false representation if it is infact the truth. You not saying "daily crb checked" or even "up to date " simply that at some opint it has been done.
 
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Alastair said:
Is "CRB checked photographer" a legally valid claim you can make for marketing purposes? or is it false representation?
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so long as you are CRB checked and a photographer then its litterally true so false rep would be difficult to prove - so long as you arent specifically claiming to have been crb checked for the job at hand when you haven't been
 
big soft moose said:
so long as you are CRB checked and a photographer then its litterally true so false rep would be difficult to prove - so long as you arent specifically claiming to have been crb checked for the job at hand when you haven't been
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That's the bit I'm wondering about.

Photographer isn't a CRB relevant profession as I understand it.

If you had it on your website or brochure, would it be a claim against a job you haven't yet got and therefore one you haven't been checked for?


It only crosses my mind because I've been looking at a false representation of something else this morning ("manufactured to ISO14001").
 
surely if your working with children or the vulnerable you would need an enhanced CRB check done
which i thought was standard practice if working with the above

either way a CRB check ( or enhanced ) will show you have no history of wrong doing which can be important
 
cosmicma said:
surely if your working with children or the vulnerable you would need an enhanced CRB check done
which i thought was standard practice if working with the above
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nope - only if you have lengthy or regular unsupervised access to them , or are responsible for their close and personal care.

so teachers, play group supervisors, dinner ladies, school taxi drivers, scout leaders, doctors, nurses, social workers etc do

but a photographer who is never alone with the children or vulnerable adults they are photographing doesnt (and if you are regularly alone with them you really need to look at why as it puts you in a potentially inapropriate compromising position)
 
cosmicma you are so off the mark.

If everything is done right (and the vast majority of the time it isn't) you can still have people working with vulnerable people who are not "whiter than white" And that's without those who have never been caught etc.
 
Alastair said:
You don't need one.

Are you ever alone with children or vulnerable adults? (and if you are, why?)
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Just to clear this up.... No, I am never alone with children or vulnerable adults.

I think its more of a selling point...
You want your child photographed, you have 2 choices; a photographer who's CRB checked or one that isnt...
 
redddraggon said:
Who's the better photographer? :p
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yeah quite - as i'll be with the child the whole time the photographer won't have a chance to do anything untoward - and if he does i'll kick 'king head off.
 
big soft moose said:
nope - only if you have lengthy or regular unsupervised access to them , or are responsible for their close and personal care.

so teachers, play group supervisors, dinner ladies, school taxi drivers, scout leaders, doctors, nurses, social workers etc do

but a photographer who is never alone with the children or vulnerable adults they are photographing doesnt (and if you are regularly alone with them you really need to look at why as it puts you in a potentially inapropriate compromising position)
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munch said:
cosmicma you are so off the mark.

If everything is done right (and the vast majority of the time it isn't) you can still have people working with vulnerable people who are not "whiter than white" And that's without those who have never been caught etc.
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i think if your are working with children an enhanced crb check should be compulsory which i thought it was
i foster children which i know isn't the same as just taking photo's but i think if your going to photograph children at a professional level the very minimum should be a crb and preferably an enhanced one

it wasn't that long ago the powers that be was trying to introduce law that if you gave your friends/neighbors offsprings friends children a lift in your car you would have to be checked before you could do so
fortunately this ridiculas ruling was regected
 
cosmicma said:
... i think if your going to photograph children at a professional level the very minimum should be a crb and preferably an enhanced one
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Rubbish.
 
This is a lot of of the problem with CRB checks, too many people believe that anyone within site of a child must have a CRB check.

The fact that a it only picks up people who may have been caught for committing an offence.

Is very often not applied as it should be. The original OP's belief that it will be good for trade if he has one, just reinforces how poor this whole CRB thing is.

The big concern for me is that as a society we have become to dependent on bits of paper and have stopped actually asking questions.
 
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