CRB Checks

We all know the truth and the facts. And the facts that schools and establishments are fully unaware of what is correct or not.

I think the beef and reason so many hate the idea on here, by that I mean Photographers.

Is there dont want to pay for anything and not want to fill out the forms.

Tight and Lazy. and don'y defend yourself if you are one of those togs . i have been a tog in all areas over 25 years and 80% of togs are lazy turnips.

Prime example is wedding togs using graphi so they don't do the post work. One example, rest my case.

Another fact Togs are tight arse except when it comes to buying big fancy cameras to wave about.

This week will be full of tight bargain sniffing togs looking for a freebie or the cheapest deal.

When I need something i just go get it.. not wait 8 months for the Focus myth bargain.

What a fickle bunch we togs are!

Andy is right, why so many having a too n froe?
 
Daryl said:
We all know the truth and the facts. And the facts that schools and establishments are fully unaware of what is correct or not.

I think the beef and reason so many hate the idea on here, by that I mean Photographers.

Is there dont want to pay for anything and not want to fill out the forms.

Tight and Lazy. and don'y defend yourself if you are one of those togs . i have been a tog in all areas over 25 years and 80% of togs are lazy turnips.

Prime example is wedding togs using graphi so they don't do the post work. One example, rest my case.

Another fact Togs are tight arse except when it comes to buying big fancy cameras to wave about.

This week will be full of tight bargain sniffing togs looking for a freebie or the cheapest deal.

When I need something i just go get it.. not wait 8 months for the Focus myth bargain.

What a fickle bunch we togs are!

Andy is right, why so many having a too n froe?
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I am the same mate. I dont like to waste money but if something is giong to benefit my business then thats a winner.

I think when booking proms if i did not have my CRB i would not get the booking. Now do i stick to my guns and say i dont need it so i wont have it or do i make the booking and take the money. The answer is pretty clear.
 
asphotographymk said:
I think when booking proms if i did not have my CRB i would not get the booking. .
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So what are you going to do if (when) the CRB crack down on unnecessary checks and you can't get one anymore ?
 
One of the flip sides to the overloading of the checking system is an increase in recruitment costs in public sector roles where a CRB check is required.

Sometimes, by the time the check comes through, the best candidate has found another post and advertising has to start all over again.
 
big soft moose said:
So what are you going to do if (when) the CRB crack down on unnecessary checks and you can't get one anymore ?
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I will be ok becasue i have to have it for my SIA anyway. And if i have it and others dont i will use it as even more of a selling point and get more bookings. :) . Lets face it though. nothing is going to be done to crack down on anything THey may claim they will but there will always be a way around it.
 
jomantha said:
One of the flip sides to the overloading of the checking system is an increase in recruitment costs in public sector roles where a CRB check is required.

Sometimes, by the time the check comes through, the best candidate has found another post and advertising has to start all over again.
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yeah quite

We usually let them start anyway but tell them that appointment is subject to the CRB check - this is fairly safe because the CRB check the worst (ie list 99) first so if someone has a really naughty past you'll find out in a matter of a couple of weeks
 
asphotographymk said:
I will be ok becasue i have to have it for my SIA anyway. And if i have it and others dont i will use it as even more of a selling point and get more bookings. :) . Lets face it though. nothing is going to be done to crack down on anything THey may claim they will but there will always be a way around it.
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Maybe some of us think our photography,is our selling point,not bit of paper we don't need :D
 
simonblue said:
Maybe some of us think our photography,is our selling point,not bit of paper we don't need :D
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In that case you have no idea about business what so ever. The worst photographer in the world could build a great business with the right marketing. Just like the largest restaurant chain in the world has some of the worst food you can eat.

In any business marketing is key... If you think good photography alone will build a business you are very must mistaken. Any
 
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big soft moose said:
yeah quite

We usually let them start anyway but tell them that appointment is subject to the CRB check - this is fairly safe because the CRB check the worst (ie list 99) first so if someone has a really naughty past you'll find out in a matter of a couple of weeks
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Hell would freeze over before someone was allowed to start work in my place without a CRB check first :)
 
jomantha said:
Hell would freeze over before someone was allowed to start work in my place without a CRB check first :)
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Depends on what you do - we just don't let anyone who's check hasnt come back be in a situation where they are unsupervised with vulnerable groups. With enhanced checks currently taking up to 6 months not letting them start work until the check is back would mean either giving them half a years paid leave, or never retaining any decent candidates
 
asphotographymk said:
In that case you have no idea about business what so ever. The worst photographer in the world could build a great business with the right marketing. Just like the largest restaurant chain in the world has some of the worst food you can eat.

In any business marketing is key... If you think good photography alone will build a business you are very must mistaken. Any
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I will freely admit,I am no good as a business person,and yes your right on both points,at last we can Adgreed on something.

When I was a pro,a few years ago,my lack of business sence let me down badly,any money I made I just spent on personal project,which is not good for business,I just had a passion for photographer,rather than a business head for it,equals being broke all the time.
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simonblue said:
I will freely admit,I am no good as a business person,and yes your right on both points,at last we can Adgreed on something.

When I was a pro,a few years ago,my lack of business sence let me down badly,any money I made I just spent on personal project,which is not good for business,I just had a passion for photographer,rather than a business head for it,equals being broke all the time.
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And this is the mistake many people make. I spend more time on marketing than i do on photography. Maybe one day that will change but i bet most pros will agree that the business side is more important than the photography these days.
 
If you provided a parent with a CRB certificate would they check it? I was working in childcare recruitment last year & got funny looks when I asked how I would know if a certificate, counter signatory or umbrella body was genuine... There is a list available if you search... Didn't stop one of our competitors setting up as an umbrella body and failing to carry out the appropriate checks themselves though.

Op, I'm pretty sure you can apply directly through directgov but if not the site will re-direct you accordingly (going from memory). Once I've had to wait 5 weeks but usually get one back in 2-3 weeks (enhanced).

As for the argument of should they or shouldn't they be needed, no I don't think they should and, in my personal opinion, if I saw it being used in marketing I would just think gimmick
 
cosmicma said:
now your going a bit far not to mention taking the whole thing way out of context

peace of mind for the customer i would have thought is a good enough reason

give me a good reason why a crb check shouldn't be a requirement

portrait photography taken up in course of a business is a profession just like any other most other businesses working with children require one
i don't see a problem with it

any way whats all this ??
have a go because i voiced an opinion ?

i think they should be compulsory for anyone working with children supervised or not i don't have a problem with people who don't agree with this it's my thoughts on the matter and there it ends
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Well I've just checked and my local barber doesn't have one (he works closer to most children than any photographer) and my local newsagent who sell sweets to all the local schoolchildren doesn't seem to have one either, then there's the local toyshop owner, shoe shop etc. etc. etc. thay all work with children in one way or another.
 
visagephoto said:
Well I've just checked and my local barber doesn't have one (he works closer to most children than any photographer) and my local newsagent who sell sweets to all the local schoolchildren doesn't seem to have one either, then there's the local toyshop owner, shoe shop etc. etc. etc. thay all work with children in one way or another.
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No non of them have them becasue just like a photographer there is absolutely no requirement to have one. Which i think we have all agreed.
 
Iris said:
Op, I'm pretty sure you can apply directly through directgov but if not the site will re-direct you accordingly (going from memory). Once I've had to wait 5 weeks but usually get one back in 2-3 weeks (enhanced).
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From the direct gov website

Who can ask for a criminal record check?
If the job needs a criminal record check any employer can ask for one. However, only organisations registered with the CRB can submit applications for criminal records checks.

There are two types of registered organisation:

•a registered body - the employer
•an umbrella body - a registered body that processes criminal record checks for non-registered organisations
Applying for a criminal records checkCan you apply for your own criminal record check?
The self-employed or individuals can’t legally apply for a criminal record check on themselves.
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asphotographymk said:
And this is the mistake many people make. I spend more time on marketing than i do on photography. Maybe one day that will change but i bet most pros will agree that the business side is more important than the photography these days.
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True,if you not prepare to market yourself,forget it.

I was a bit lucky,i trained in the days of film from 35mm right up to 16x12 monorail camera,so clinet would come looking for me if they needer someone to use the big old 16x12,and know how to work with the negtive afterward.
 
Very interesting post - I was looking into a CRB check and has already been said, they arn't available to the self employed or individuals. The umbrella organisations I understand process CRB requests from "Organisations" not registered with the CRB government department. There are a lot of myths out there which push people in organisation to request CRB certificates although they are not required or even available; you cannot blame them as they, through some misguided threat feel exposed to some imaginary law suit. The media dosn't help, I have no answer but having read and dug I feel that I do understand.
Seconds out round two -
 
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