Coward carnivores

sphexx said:
1 lactation = 1 calving. They have to became pregnant to lactate, like humans.
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They have to calve initially to begin lactating.
They don't have to calve again to continue doing so . Neither do humans.
 
viv1969 said:
They have to calve initially to begin lactating.
They don't have to calve again to continue doing so . Neither do humans.
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TMI TMI :devil: :p
 
Whilst I think a lot of people have become "detached" from their food I don't think it makes us cowards. Could I walk into an abattoir tomorrow and kill cow probably not. As I have no need too. Could I do it if I had too yes.
 
I would have no problem in dispatching Larry and serving him up with a nice fresh mint sauce for my dinner
 
Keith W said:
I would have no problem in dispatching Larry and serving him up with a nice fresh mint sauce for my dinner
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My boss keeps sheep to keep his meadows cut, and we all get a nice supply of lamb late spring because when they go off to slaughter his wife won't have the meat in the house :lol:
Result!
 
viv1969 said:
They have to calve initially to begin lactating.
They don't have to calve again to continue doing so . Neither do humans.
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Sorry, but they do:
"Dairy cows are required to give birth to one calf per year to continue producing milk. They are usually artificially inseminated within three months of giving birth.

These high milk producing cows are only productive for an average of 3 years, after which they are culled and the meat is normally used for beef."
http://www.ciwf.org.uk/farm-animals/cows/dairy-cows/
 
sphexx said:
Sorry, but they do:
"Dairy cows are required to give birth to one calf per year to continue producing milk. They are usually artificially inseminated within three months of giving birth.

These high milk producing cows are only productive for an average of 3 years, after which they are culled and the meat is normally used for beef."
http://www.ciwf.org.uk/farm-animals/cows/dairy-cows/
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Fair do's (y)
 
I used to regularly catch, clean and eat fish. Eating a chalk stream Trout on the day of capture is better than Salmon.... As a kid we used to use ferrets to catch rabbits and I was taught how to kill, skin and clean them; although not sure if I could do it now, especially as we have a house rabbit as a pet o_O
 
Jelster said:
I used to regularly catch, clean and eat fish. Eating a chalk stream Trout on the day of capture is better than Salmon.... As a kid we used to use ferrets to catch rabbits and I was taught how to kill, skin and clean them; although not sure if I could do it now, especially as we have a house rabbit as a pet o_O
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That just makes it easier to catch Steve, where's your problem. :exit:
 
Jelster said:
I used to regularly catch, clean and eat fish. Eating a chalk stream Trout on the day of capture is better than Salmon.... As a kid we used to use ferrets to catch rabbits and I was taught how to kill, skin and clean them; although not sure if I could do it now, especially as we have a house rabbit as a pet o_O
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Big Andy said:
That just makes it easier to catch Steve, where's your problem. :exit:
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Big buggers too, aren't they?
You can always use the pelt as a cushion cover!! :sneaky:
 
I once accompanied a family friend on a days shooting, and the resulting cut of Venison I enjoyed that evening was by far the best thing ive ever eaten in my life, so no, I wouldnt have a problem with it. I even helped remove the offle whilst out in the field, and it helped to keep my hands warm :)
 
sphexx said:
Sorry, but they do:
"Dairy cows are required to give birth to one calf per year to continue producing milk. They are usually artificially inseminated within three months of giving birth.
These high milk producing cows are only productive for an average of 3 years, after which they are culled and the meat is normally used for beef."
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You have to remember Farms are a business and therefore need to make money somehow, the cows are still viable as beef at that age
With the price they get for milk these days I'm surprised there are any left around
 
Gremlin said:
You have to remember Farms are a business and therefore need to make money somehow, the cows are still viable as beef at that age
With the price they get for milk these days I'm surprised there are any left around
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Yes, I agree about the business and so on but I would rather cows were less productive and lived longer and milk (of which I consume a lot) was dearer. I am not sure what the current position is, but for some time cattle older than 3 years could not be sold as food due to the BSE regs, and that even applied to entirely grass fed beasts that do not mature until they are older than 3 years :(
 
Sadly many will go for the cheapest option with any type of food, some through choice some through necessity,

Back on topic, not had to kill that often except injured or sick creatures when out with the dogs in the past, but I can skin
gut etc. with little problem

Nikon_Nick said:
I once accompanied a family friend on a days shooting, and the resulting cut of Venison I enjoyed that evening was by far the best thing ive ever eaten in my life, so no, I wouldnt have a problem with it. I even helped remove the offle whilst out in the field, and it helped to keep my hands warm :)
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Heathen :rolleyes: venison should be hung for at least 24 hours
 
Gremlin said:
Sadly many will go for the cheapest option with any type of food, some through choice some through necessity,

Back on topic, not had to kill that often except injured or sick creatures when out with the dogs in the past, but I can skin
gut etc. with little problem



Heathen :rolleyes: venison should be hung for at least 24 hours
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Tasted daaaaaammmmmmn good to me :D
 
sphexx said:
Yes, I agree about the business and so on but I would rather cows were less productive and lived longer and milk (of which I consume a lot) was dearer. I am not sure what the current position is, but for some time cattle older than 3 years could not be sold as food due to the BSE regs, and that even applied to entirely grass fed beasts that do not mature until they are older than 3 years :(
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If you want chapter and verse on this then you might want to watch Cowspiracy. However, I'm told it does make pretty uncomfortable viewing - especially for vegetarians.
 
A couple of things that I've wondered about,
1) If Vegetarians care so much about animals, why do they compete with them for food?
2) At least us carnivorous have the decency to kill our food before skinning it and cooking it. :D
(OK, shell fish "accepted" )

As for me, I'd survive the holocaust :D
 
Rather weirdly the only raw meat I have a particular aversion to handling is fresh chicken. I put it down to the trauma suffered at working in a chicken factory for uni holidays in the 1990's.... odd place. "Tesco are visiting today, so do things properly!" "Erm, should it not be done that way every shift?".... some of the horror stories....

Could I kill for food.. Yes. Not skinned, or done it, but would not be averse to learning how to do it.
 
Cobra said:
A couple of things that I've wondered about,
1) If Vegetarians care so much about animals, why do they compete with them for food?
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I'm vegetarian but if something tried to eat me I'd eat it. Probably with chips and some nice fresh bread. Meat again... Yum Yum.
 
I like my meat but I've enjoyed lots of lovely vegetarian dishes.

As for killing stuff. That doesn't bother me.

As for 'Cowardly Carnivores' - they're fine by me. Just the same as people who drive a car but can't (or choose not to) do anything maintenance themselves.

For the meat lovers - I did a nice bit of Hebridean black Lamb tonight. (y)

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Camera Roll-412 by dinners85, on Flickr
 
You see I can't be bothered with stuff like that. Way too little meat on it to justify the effort of eating it. And you pay for all those bones and grizzle as well. Yuk.
 
dinners said:
I did a nice bit of Hebridean black Lamb tonight. (y)
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Ooo I drooling here! Nice!

dejongj said:
You see I can't be bothered with stuff like that. Way too little meat on it to justify the effort of eating it. And you pay for all those bones and grizzle as well. Yuk.
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But cooked properly, its soooooo tender, the bones and fat all add to the flavour, I like a little fat with my sheep :thumbs:
 
dinners said:
I like my meat but I've enjoyed lots of lovely vegetarian dishes.

As for killing stuff. That doesn't bother me.

As for 'Cowardly Carnivores' - they're fine by me. Just the same as people who drive a car but can't (or choose not to) do anything maintenance themselves.

For the meat lovers - I did a nice bit of Hebridean black Lamb tonight. (y)

Camera Roll-411 by dinners85, on Flickr

Camera Roll-412 by dinners85, on Flickr
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Oh I bet that tasted amazing.
 
dejongj said:
You see I can't be bothered with stuff like that. Way too little meat on it to justify the effort of eating it. And you pay for all those bones and grizzle as well. Yuk.
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You just take it out of the oven cut between each rib and you have 16 cutlets to serve each with a lovely tender chunk of meat. Takes half an hour to cook and 2 mins to divide.

You also have the crispy stuff on each bone to nibble.

Not sure about gizzle (gristle?) but there's very little and none once cooked.
 
dinners said:
You just take it out of the oven cut between each rib and you have 16 cutlets to serve each with a lovely tender chunk of meat. Takes half an hour to cook and 2 mins to divide.

You also have the crispy stuff on each bone to nibble.

Not sure about gizzle (gristle?) but there's very little and none once cooked.
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Surely that is only a 2 person serving, so each person gets a rack to himself (I can see that the fairer sex might need to share one between 2 or them though!!!)
 
A restaurant we frequent on holiday has a small petting zoo which has (alongside some baby chicks...) some baby Thumpers. Yup, they have a couple of specialities - home bred rabbit stew (in a couple of variations) and similar with chicken. Very fresh and equally delicious!
 
When I was a kid, upwards of 30,000 male chicks were gassed each week on the farm because there was no market for male chickens.
Oh how times change.
 
Its great to grow them for Christmas. Nice meal for Boxing Day.
 
Nod said:
Surely that is only a 2 person serving, so each person gets a rack to himself (I can see that the fairer sex might need to share one between 2 or them though!!!)
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It was enough for me, my wife and my eldest daughter. The younger 3 kids had something else.
 
That's probably where Chris gets the food for his birds from - IIRC, the usual hand lure is day old chick (for the smaller raptors).
 
woof woof said:
I'm vegetarian but if something tried to eat me I'd eat it. Probably with chips and some nice fresh bread. Meat again... Yum Yum.
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Serious question here......
If meat qualifies as yum yum.......Why are you a vegetarian?
 
dinners said:
It was lovely.

Hebridean Lamb with Dauphinoise Potatoes, spring cabbage and a red wine jus.

Quite sophisticated for me ;)
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"Jus"......is the only bit that makes me chuckle :lol:
 
Last time I was served something with "jus", I asked pointedly for more gravy. A few drips of insipid sauce isn't good enough!
 
Nod said:
Last time I was served something with "jus", I asked pointedly for more gravy. A few drips of insipid sauce isn't good enough!
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The last time I was served jus, wasn't in the least insipid. ...just pretentious :-)
 
viv1969 said:
When I was a kid, upwards of 30,000 male chicks were gassed each week on the farm because there was no market for male chickens.
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Nod said:
That's probably where Chris gets the food for his birds from - IIRC, the usual hand lure is day old chick (for the smaller raptors).
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Absolutely, there is a company called honey brook farms that pretty much has that market sewn up, they supply (probably) millions each year to Falconers, reptile keepers, zoo's etc.
They cost about £55 / 1000 delivered. (the price goes down a little for multiples though).
I wonder if they buy them or take "them off the farms hands"?
They still have to be killed, blast frozen and packed of course.
 
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