Coward carnivores

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I do eat and enjoy meat, but not that often. The last time I had a meal with meat was three days ago and having meat once a week is not unusual.

However, if I had to kill the meat I eat I am fairly sure I could not do it. I'm not talking about an extreme situation where possibly life depended on killing an animal, but everyday life where you would not die if you did not eat meat.

So I am a coward carnivore - shy away from the act myself but happy to have someone else do the killing for me.

This is hypothetical as it could not be done practically, but if you had to kill, for example, the cow, lamb, pig you were going to eat for a meal tonight, could you do it?


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Oddly enough this feeling does not extend to fish. I haven't fished for a long time but the last time I was happy to unhook the mackerel, give them a quick thwack and put them in a box.
 
Yup, don't have an issue with it. Spent every holiday on my uncles farm with cousins, hunting skills were quite handy in survival situations later in life.
 
Not something I give too much thought to to be honest.

I love meat and eat it everyday in some form or another. Could I slaughter and prepare my own meat? Highly doubtful unless I was in a life & death situation but it would have been a skill pretty much all of us had many years back. I suppose you could loosely class it as evolution that not everyone has to be a hunter now so IMO it's not being hypocritical eating meat but not being able to kill & prepare it yourself.
 
Not killed any of the usual suspects - an abattoir or butcher can do it far more efficiently that I could. Have dispatched chickens, rabbits and fish for the pot as well as raising the usual suspects (well, lambs and bullocks) from hatching to collection by the butcher.
 
As a ex butcher many many years ago Killing it, Bleed it out, skin it, gut it, butcher it, cook it ...not a problem. All that's needed is a sharp knife, maybe a saw/cleaver too.
 
Well, we live in a society in which we all specialise in something, and leave the unpleasant things in life to other people - as a result of which very few of us have ever killed an animal for food, or even seen a dead body, let alone one that's 'very dead'.

There is no need for us to actually eat meat, our bodies are designed to eat vegetables, we eat it just because we like it. Our specialist society means that we only see a very sanitised version of meat, without the feathers, coat, guts, s*** etc, and all on a little tray in the supermarket. I think that most people give absolutely no thought to the life and death of the animal, and wouldn't eat meat if they did think about it - and as for actually killing the animal themselves, and butchering it - I think that if most people had to do that themselves, then very few people would eat meat.

Personally, I'm pretty sure that I couldn't work in a slaughterhouse, but I have no problem shooting animals that have had a natural life, and which have an instant death, with no fear.
 
I can say from experience yes I can and I've done so. It was part of my basic training in the military.

It was no problem.
 
I’ve necked, plucked and cleaned chickens…same with fish (minus the feathers!).
I’m not a huge meat eater, but if I was hungry I’d have no problem with it.
I used to work in a place called Fairfax Meadow in Derby…..Not in the factory but even up in the offices the stench was all pervading.
It’s not a smell you forget :LOL: (Yet strangely, you do get used to it).
 
Yes I could kill it, NO I couldn't gut it, yes I could butcher it and eat it.

Trevor
 
Yes. I could kill it gut it and cook it without a thought. I'm prepared to eat it so I should be prepared to kill it etc. Double standards otherwise!
 
Yep.

Learned how to deal with dead animals from a young age and learned how to make them dead once I was a little older.
 
Yes, I shot birds and rabbits as a kid, and I've hunted buck. I've never shot anything I didn't intend to eat though, unless it was already crippled/sick.

You're not a 'coward carnivore'. That's reserved for the meat eaters who take a hypocritical stance against hunting, and shrug off any thoughts - if they ever had any - about how their meal reached the plate. I've visited abattoirs to carry out insurance risk surveys, and found it a pretty awful experience, although blood and guts don't bother me. I think it was the animals penned in the yards, waiting to be slaughtered, that got to me.
 
Garry Edwards said:
Well, we live in a society in which we all specialise in something, and leave the unpleasant things in life to other people - as a result of which very few of us have ever killed an animal for food, or even seen a dead body, let alone one that's 'very dead'.

There is no need for us to actually eat meat, our bodies are designed to eat vegetables, we eat it just because we like it. Our specialist society means that we only see a very sanitised version of meat, without the feathers, coat, guts, s*** etc, and all on a little tray in the supermarket. I think that most people give absolutely no thought to the life and death of the animal, and wouldn't eat meat if they did think about it - and as for actually killing the animal themselves, and butchering it - I think that if most people had to do that themselves, then very few people would eat meat.

Personally, I'm pretty sure that I couldn't work in a slaughterhouse, but I have no problem shooting animals that have had a natural life, and which have an instant death, with no fear.
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There is evidence that some pre-human hominids ate meat, even chimps will eat meat. Some argue that it was a regular diet of meat, probably starting around 3.5 million years ago that explains our larger brain size, without meat we might still be swinging in the trees :)

Further, there is some research that suggests that those hominids that relied solely on a plant based diet died out whilst those that had a meat based diet thrived.
 
Cant say I ever have but I would have a go without to much trauma.
My missus also would as she has been a nurse and now a dentist so quite used to blood and gore.

I would imagine it would be better to have some training by a butcher.
 
Some of my earliest childhood memories are of my grandmother having dead rabbits hanging in the pantry and she taught me how to prepare and butcher chickens, rabbits, fish etc.
I also managed a team of abbatoir inspectors in a previous temporary job, so it's no mystery what goes on there.

I really don't have any problem with the concept of killing in order to eat.
The only thing that would really hold me back in this hypothetical situation (putting the practical and legal implications aside) is not having the necessary physical skill to do it as humanely as possible.
 
I can think of a few birders I'd like to kill. Dunno if I'd eat them tho:eek:
 
jakeblu said:
There is evidence that some pre-human hominids ate meat, even chimps will eat meat. Some argue that it was a regular diet of meat, probably starting around 3.5 million years ago that explains our larger brain size, without meat we might still be swinging in the trees :)

Further, there is some research that suggests that those hominids that relied solely on a plant based diet died out whilst those that had a meat based diet thrived.
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It's not just a case that Chipms "will eat meat". They adore it.
They hunt in frenzied packs and tear thier prey apart.
When first filmed, it was quite the shocker!
 
I cooked with mussels recently. They freaked me out as occasionally i'd pick one up to debeard it and felt it close. The majority stayed closed after I put them in the bowl but a few decided they'd give me the creeps.

So no, as much as I like meat, i'm not sure I could do the full process either.
 
Could I? Yes although not sure how good a job I'd do.

Would I? Definitely, I'd like nothing more than to give it a go to be honest - have eyed up the slaughtering & butchering days you can do

Would I eat meat as often as I do now? Probably not seeing as it would be so much work, on the other hand killing 1 cow would probably keep me going for a very long time
 
It's not really the killing of animals that distinguishes carnivorous humans from vegetarians & vegans. More animals (think pigeons, rabbits, frogs etc etc) are killed in the production of food for vegetarians than for carnivores. If you keep cattle you can subsist on milk and blood without killing any animals, perhaps not even the calves.
Frogs? Yes, I remember seeing film of rice production in Asia where frog legs were a byproduct - they just cut the legs off and chucked the bodies back in the water!
 
I've sent thousands of tomatoes to their deaths during my 19 years stint as a greenhouse worker. Does that count?

Mind you, I don't even like tomatoes full stop.
 
Ian D J said:
I've sent thousands of tomatoes to their deaths during my 19 years stint as a greenhouse worker. Does that count?

Mind you, I don't even like tomatoes full stop.
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That sounds a bit "fruitist"!! ;)
 
Garry Edwards said:
There is no need for us to actually eat meat, our bodies are designed to eat vegetables,
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Are we to believe that Gary? Chimps eat meat and they are our closest relatives. I know a few vegans,and apart from looking lethargic half the time, they seem to suffer more with colds and any other germ far more than the average person.It`s all about balancing it out.
 
u8myufo said:
Are we to believe that Gary? Chimps eat meat and they are our closest relatives. I know a few vegans,and apart from looking lethargic half the time, they seem to suffer more with colds and any other germ far more than the average person.It`s all about balancing it out.
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Arguably, my sister is my closest relative and I have absolutely nothing in common with her, thank God:)
I'm not advocating veganism, I'm just pointing out that our gut is designed to digest vegetable matter rather than meat. And there are many cultures that don't eat meat.
What I'm basically saying is that we eat meat because we want to, not because we actually need to.
 
Garry Edwards said:
Arguably, my sister is my closest relative and I have absolutely nothing in common with her, thank God:)
I'm not advocating veganism, I'm just pointing out that our gut is designed to digest vegetable matter rather than meat. And there are many cultures that don't eat meat.
What I'm basically saying is that we eat meat because we want to, not because we actually need to.
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And all I am saying is that whilst you can read about us not being designed to eat meat.You can also read about Chimpanzee behaviour And like I say, as we are closely related I would tend not to agree with the fact we don`t need to eat it.Who knows?I take everything with a pinch of salt anyhow,and a drizzle of red wine sauce :D
 
Garry Edwards said:
What I'm basically saying is that we eat meat because we want to, not because we actually need to.
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We don't need to eat any specific food item, so long as one balances the diet sufficiently with suitable alternatives.
The human gut certainly isn't designed to digest only vegetable matter. It has and ever will evolve.
 
I seem to be dealing just fine with meat, nothing wrong with my processing of it :)
 
dejongj said:
Yes better change those bacon butties at the Megga Meet for veggie mite rolls :p Remember the outside block ;)
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You can all crap in a bucket for all I care......
There will be NO MARMITE OR VEGEMITE!!!
It's the food of the devil. :bat:
 
Garry Edwards said:
Well, we live in a society in which we all specialise in something, and leave the unpleasant things in life to other people - as a result of which very few of us have ever killed an animal for food, or even seen a dead body, let alone one that's 'very dead'.

There is no need for us to actually eat meat, our bodies are designed to eat vegetables, we eat it just because we like it. Our specialist society means that we only see a very sanitised version of meat, without the feathers, coat, guts, s*** etc, and all on a little tray in the supermarket. I think that most people give absolutely no thought to the life and death of the animal, and wouldn't eat meat if they did think about it - and as for actually killing the animal themselves, and butchering it - I think that if most people had to do that themselves, then very few people would eat meat.
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Indeed we all specialise, we would never survive if we didn't and we'd be back in the stone age. If it came to it, I probably could (with appropriate training) kill and butcher a cow. I think I'd have less difficulty doing it than many have getting their computer to work properly (judging by the number of people who apparently scream in frustration at them).

I have more trouble if I think about milk and infant male dairy cattle than I do about roast beef.
 
"I have more trouble if I think about milk and infant male dairy cattle than I do about roast beef."
Apart from the male calves, it is shocking that modern dairy cows only go for 3 lactations, so about 4-5 years before scrapping.
 
sphexx said:
"I have more trouble if I think about milk and infant male dairy cattle than I do about roast beef."
Apart from the male calves, it is shocking that modern dairy cows only go for 3 lactations, so about 4-5 years before scrapping.
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Do you mean they only calve three times?
Because a dairy cow is lactating continuously for pretty much her whole life.
 
Yeah, I swore I was going to leave this thread alone. But...

sphexx said:
More animals (think pigeons, rabbits, frogs etc etc) are killed in the production of food for vegetarians than for carnivores.
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Really? If you think about that for even a second you'll realise it has to be nonsense (hint: what do animals that are eaten eat?).

It's a common piece of propaganda like the idea that vegetarians are destroying the rain forests in their never ending thirst for soya. But that one ain't true either.
 
If we were made to be herbivores then why do we have teeth that can rip and tear juicy meat and fish?
 
I'm only anti hunting when it comes to the bellends that kill things for a lark, like the fox hunters. Kill it and eat it and use everything you can from it? Go for it (y)
 
viv1969 said:
Do you mean they only calve three times?
Because a dairy cow is lactating continuously for pretty much her whole life.
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1 lactation = 1 calving. They have to became pregnant to lactate, like humans.
 
norters said:
I'm only anti hunting when it comes to the bellends that kill things for a lark, like the fox hunters. Kill it and eat it and use everything you can from it? Go for it (y)
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You really think that foxes are only shot for sport? No, they are shot because they kill livestock.
Fox hunting (with hounds) is of course different - that's a good cross country gallop, where a fox may or may not surface, it isn't something that I want to do personally though.
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1 lactation = 1 calving. They have to became pregnant to lactate, like humans.
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Cows could live to the age of 30, if they were allowed to.
 
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