Changes to dangerous dog act.

No idea but I can certainly see its attraction.
 
I can see in my head a lot of posties relaxing a bit more if it's true lol. It won't effect me, I'm the only house within 6miles into the mountains and my dogs are soft as s**t anyway.
 
Too late for my friend who lost half of his finger!
 
Can imagine. I lost all movement of my right pinky (not due to dogs though) and I even find that awkward.
 
Yes it is correct, although the first part about a dog not having to bite to be deemed dangerous has always been the case.
I've had 2 colleagues bitten in the past few weeks, one where the owner actually let the dogs out as he was approaching then
shouted a warning .
But this has not only been bought about by that aspect it's also due to that amount of attacks on children in priivate homes that
has prompted the action.
Perhaps now the onus is being shifted more to the owner keeping the dogs away it may make them think, but I doubt it, any
prosecutions will happen after someone has been hurt and as usual the dog will suffer the consequences !
 
All seems fair enough to me.
 
I am a self employed mobile car valeter. A few months back I backed into a customers drive and had two dogs running around my van barking. One looked OK but there was a boxer who looked a bit skittish. The owner must have know I was there due to the barking but didn't come out until I rang the door bell. As it happens these dogs were fine, but I didn't know that when I got out my van. I don't like some dogs and I was worried before the owner came out. The garden wasn't enclosed and there was no gate on the drive entrance.

I used to go to another house that had a big dog that was all muscle, some sort of mastiff I think. He was enclosed in the back garden but once got out. I absolutely paped myself.

Dogs need to be controlled and better would be if people didn't have these muscley dogs, eg rottweiler etc.
 
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That reads like you're saying a dog that has muscles it's dangerous?

As that link says, even a tiny Jack Russell can be dangerous. I know a Westie that has to be muzzled etc.
 
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If its too strong to defend yourself against and is always snarling and showing its teeth...yes. The last dog I spoke of used to pound at the window while I was working. You know what I mean from my example. I also go to a customer that has a Newfoundland and that's soft as. It's the chavy dogs I mean that people buy to look hard.

And go.....(lol)
 
Your being a bit contradictory to be honest. A Newfoundland could easily pin a grown adult down and do some serious damage if it wanted. Yet it's okay because the one you knew was soft?

What about a working dog? That would be exceptionally fit.

I've known rotties and Alsatians (which some would consider dogs that could do some damage) that wouldn't hurt a fly.

Like someone earlier said it's mostly the upbringing of the dog that causes issues.
 
Raptor Mike said:
Dogs need to be controlled and better would be if people didn't have these muscley dogs, eg rottweiler etc.
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One of the funniest things ive ever read on here! So people shouldn't be allowed to have big dogs...full stop...its that black and white...no exceptions...they are all out to kill you...

Get real!
 
If you're in your van, and you've arrived on a client's property, why would you risk getting out of the van instead of calling said client?

I'm in favour of tightening the laws btw.
 
That was me Neil. I've only owned Collies for as long as I can remember but I know many "aggressive" breeds that's more of a couch potato than Homer Simpson. They wouldn't hurt a fly and amazing temperaments.

No matter what breed the dog is they can all be dangerous if not raised properly. I could teach a Westie to act like a police dog if I wanted. It's not down to breeds, all on the owners.
 
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I just find it incredibly depressing that we've had to legislate for this in order to cater for the idiots amongst us.
Frankly, most of what's in there any responsible dog owner will be doing anyway.

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It will be interesting when the first case brought by a trespasser/burglar into an secure private area comes to court [which is undoubtedly will] to see how the law is interpreted by the legal system.
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That's the one grey area / controversial bit in there and it will be very interesting to see how it pans out.
 
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Yv said:
you should see the muscles on my jack russells!! ;)
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:LOL: !

We've kept Staffies for 20 years (yes, the reputedly evil chav demon dogs) but the scar from a dog bite that I have on my right hand was ironically caused by a Jack Russell!
Not that I'm suggesting that JRs are in any way vicious or aggressive, but it just goes to prove that you shouldn't judge by breed and any poorly trained dog can inflict an injury.
 
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SarahLee said:
I just find it incredibly depressing that we've had to legislate for this in order to cater for the idiots amongst us.
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The problem is though you cant legislate against idiots ;)

The bit that bothers me about this is
however even if the dog does not bite, but gives the person grounds to feel that the dog may injure them, the law still applies.
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So even of a dog looks a bit sideways at someone,
they can still be put down/ owner prosecuted etc.

Scenario. someone has a dog that barks a bit, and annoys their neighbour.
said neighbour complains that said dog is dangerous.

Authorities go round to check out dog, dog gets stressed and looks a little threatening,
ears down sits in corner. etc.

OK so barking dog is a bloody nuisance but could just as easily labeled dangerous,
through one quick "interview"
 
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neil_g said:
Your being a bit contradictory to be honest. A Newfoundland could easily pin a grown adult down and do some serious damage if it wanted. Yet it's okay because the one you knew was soft?

What about a working dog? That would be exceptionally fit.

I've known rotties and Alsatians (which some would consider dogs that could do some damage) that wouldn't hurt a fly.

Like someone earlier said it's mostly the upbringing of the dog that causes issues.
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You have a point. I was trying to discribe a type of dog and didn't do a very good job of it. Someone else said 'agressive'. I think a lot of it is down to the owner but I think some breads just have, or seem to have, short tempers. When you hear about people getting bit its always the same 'sort' of dogs. I have never heard off a collie or a lab bitting a child.
 
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Nikon_Nick said:
One of the funniest things ive ever read on here! So people shouldn't be allowed to have big dogs...full stop...its that black and white...no exceptions...they are all out to kill you...

Get real!
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Didn't you bother to read the rest where I said its always snarling and showing its teeth?
I was looking for the word aggressively.
 
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however even if the dog does not bite, but gives the person grounds to feel that the dog may injure them, the law still applies
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Chris this has always applied, they are just making people aware of it

Raptor Mike said:
You have a point. I was trying to discribe a type of dog and didn't do a very good job of it. Someone else said 'agressive'. I think a lot of it is down to the owner but I think some breads just have, or seem to have, short tempers. When you hear about people getting bit its always the same 'sort' of dogs. I have never heard off a collie or a lab bitting a child.
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That's because some breeds are just seen as being aggressive so they make the news, last year a Jack Russell killed a baby.
As far as labs and collies biting, few years ago I asked for the statistic on breeds for dogs bites in my job and labs came out top.
Personally I think that is because like you people perceive certain breeds to be safe, so they see a lab /collie in a garden and just
go in, whereas they see one of the so called aggressive breeds and don't, TBH I've met more aggressive labs over the years then GSD, rotties etc.

As for being bitten, hate to say this but in my years involved in rescue I got nipped by more collies, not due to aggression, more that when you
went into the run to take them for a walk, they got over excited and nipped, not one was aggressive as such, lovely dogs once they calmed
down.






 
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few years ago I asked for the statistic on breeds for dogs bites in my job and labs came out top.
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Interesting, our neighbour has one and he is always acting aggressively and a couple of times he has got into our garden and you daren't go out.
The neighbour obviously realised the problem and put up a higher fence but if the dog is out in his garden and anyone goes into our garden he's at the fence snarling and barking like mad - we never let our grand-kids out in the garden if he's out in his!
 
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I think a lot of it is down to the owner but I think some breads just have, or seem to have, short tempers.
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All dogs have potential to have a bad day. Look at how many storeys start "he's been the family dog for years and he's always been good..". Which is why (talking of your next point) no child should ever be left unattended with a dog.

When you hear about people getting bit its always the same 'sort' of dogs. I have never heard off a collie or a lab bitting a child.
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On the contrary, as above there was a jack Russell that attacked a child recently. I knew a collie recently that was mistreated as a pup which caused her to be aggressive around men and other dogs (oddly she always liked my cuddles and play time) and had been known to bite.

In the end they had to put her down as they could not handle her in public, which is a shame because she was lovely around family.

There are a lot of stereotypes in people's minds which are fuelled ridiculously by the media unfortunately.
 
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Interesting, our neighbour has one and he is always acting aggressively and a couple of times he has got into our garden and you daren't go out.
The neighbour obviously realised the problem and put up a higher fence but if the dog is out in his garden and anyone goes into our garden he's at the fence snarling and barking like mad - we never let our grand-kids out in the garden if he's out in his!
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There was a lab in the family recently who was extremely boisterous bordering uncontrollable, oddly he was a rescue from the lab trust. He should never been rehomed in that condition in my opinion.

He was promptly returned to the LT (even that took some arguing that he was not in a fit state to be rehomed).
 
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Didn't you bother to read the rest where I said its always snarling and showing its teeth?
I was looking for the word aggressively.
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I was replying to post 11, in which you said that it would be better if people didnt have muscly dogs.
 
Did the stats show a greater number of bites per say 1000 Labradors or just greater number of bites by that breed generally? Only the first is meaningful.
 
It's great news that they are taking action at last
As already said tho it's a minority of the owners that are the problem some people shouldn't be allowed to have dogs,
most dog owners are responsible people and keep their dogs trained and under control
I've had a few worrying moments when at nature reserves with aggressive dogs but haven't been bitten
 
Im in favour of the laws being tightened, my son was bitten by my cousins dog while at her house!
The dog was in the garden with us adults and about 5 kids when she suddenly, without warning growled and leapt at my son's face and bit, luckily she didnt get hold (she is a Staffie) as he would have lost half his face, he did get a nasty bite but of course at the time it was on private property!

I think this has been bought in because of the number of children being bitten on private land.
 
I am concerned about any dog I can't throw like an American football when they are near my children. Everyone has rights and I think a number of dog owners who are around dogs all the time simply do not understand how a dog running towards you or your child makes you feel. You have a right to walk your dog, but everyone has a right not to be scared.

They make me feel that I must be next to my daughter at a park and not let her explore on her own.

You will all come back and say they are as soft as pillows etc. etc. etc. etc. but when one of my daughters get spooked and gets upset when a "harmless dog" comes up to her, how is it harmless if it has given her that reaction? That is like saying there is no harm in emotional bullying as there is no physical contact and no anger. What about when on 1 or 2 occasions when I have been a little further from my daughter and she has been so spooked that she has run to me causing the dog to chase and jump up etc.

Whenever I see someone ask a dog owner to keep their dog under control, they are always met with abuse. This is not just the stereotypical vest, can of lager and bulldog brigade but middle aged women in those green waxy country jackets, families with dogs etc. There have been quite a few incidents in our local park that we have a dog warden who patrols the park.

I went down to Sandbanks, Poole and we were sitting on the beach having a picnic in the no dog zone and 3 dogs came up to try and take our lunch resulting in owners having to run across the beach. There were also some large huskies running around off the lead and when someone reminded the owner the dogs should be on a lead, they were met with a mouthful of abuse from both the mum and dad of the family.

On the flipside my girls have stroked some lovely dogs, but these are generally yorkshire terrier size.

My daughters know to ask us and the owner before going towards a dog and always do. They also know to stand still when a dog is near them and we have to work hard to ensure they remember. Yet they still get spooked by larger dogs (any breed).

Why does someone else having a dog have such an effect on my family?
 
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Yv said:
you should see the muscles on my jack russells!! ;)
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....Is "jack russells" rhyming slang for something 'naughty', Yvonne? :D
 
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and when someone reminded the owner the dogs should be on a lead, they were met with a mouthful of abuse from both the mum and dad of the family.
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I think that we all agree that dogs should be under control in public places,
however, that bit, is sadly the attitude these days in many walks of life,
not just dog owners.
A lot of people could do with retraining, not (only) the dogs :D


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Chris this has always applied, they are just making people aware of it
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If that's the case (And I don't doubt you) it doesn't appear to have been well publicised,
or enforced, in the past.
I'm just wondering what makes them think that it will be any different,
With the addition of
  • it will now be an offence for your dog to attack an assistance dog (Guide Dog, Hearing Dog etc).
  • Prison sentences will be increased for those convicted of some offences
  • Police or an appointed local authority now have powers to seize a dangerously out of control dog in a private place. The existing legislation already covers public places.
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RedRobin said:
....Is "jack russells" rhyming slang for something 'naughty', Yvonne? :D
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No not rhyming slang "just" something norty, you should see her JRT's :D
 
SarahLee said:
:LOL: !

We've kept Staffies for 20 years (yes, the reputedly evil chav demon dogs) but the scar from a dog bite that I have on my right hand was ironically caused by a Jack Russell!
Not that I'm suggesting that JRs are in any way vicious or aggressive, but it just goes to prove that you shouldn't judge by breed and any poorly trained dog can inflict an injury.
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We've got a Staffie X and he's been attacked three times by Jack Russels. I find then JRs generally be a real PITA to be honest. Sorry JR owners if yours are well behaved.

AL
 
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