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Bitten by a dog ... grrrr
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Since we're onto vehicle emissions, did you know the University of Wales in Aberystwyth are doign a study into the green house gases emitted by cows. Apparently they account for around 3% of the UK's emissions and between 25-30% of methane. Considering a lot of methane from landfill is now being captured and converted to electricity, that's a lot of possible power being lost whilst polluting the environment 
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Oi that is me. My daughter rides a horse, I'm on my mountain bike and our handsome hound is running around us freely
I can guarantee you that I'm not rude unless you are a speeding biker or car driver not looking out for more vulnerable road users.
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i can only do 2 out of 3 in our house. im not sure the cats would let us put a lead on them.. 
i tend to stay off of the road where possible (see earlier statement about being very hard to do so as bridleways dont always join up) these days. ive ended up on too many bonnets and clipped by too many mirrors over the years.
i tend to stay off of the road where possible (see earlier statement about being very hard to do so as bridleways dont always join up) these days. ive ended up on too many bonnets and clipped by too many mirrors over the years.
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Yes unfortunately they don't line up most of the time. There is a very alward one nearby me where many people use it as a rat run between two large towns. And cars and bikes come flying around a blind corner where they possibly couldn't see who or what would be on the road. Yet speeds don't get adapted.
A real annoyance of mine after a friend of mine was killed on her bicycle with a car driving into the back of her.
Had it yesterday, some s***ty little corsa wrong side of the road driving way too fast. Mirror clipped on my arm. He was lucky my hound was on the lead as otherwise the car window would have received an instant whipping. I hope I broke his mirror.
I just wishes that everybody calms down a little and live in harmony. I'm a lover, not a fighter
A real annoyance of mine after a friend of mine was killed on her bicycle with a car driving into the back of her.
Had it yesterday, some s***ty little corsa wrong side of the road driving way too fast. Mirror clipped on my arm. He was lucky my hound was on the lead as otherwise the car window would have received an instant whipping. I hope I broke his mirror.
I just wishes that everybody calms down a little and live in harmony. I'm a lover, not a fighter
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Are we still talking about animalsI have been bitten by a dog quite a few times,got the scars to prove it
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I've been bitten by midges.
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Carbon dioxide is carbon dioxide why should a poorer persons carbon dioxide be different to a rich persons one?
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For goodness sake, working,farm sheep dogs are buggers for nipping ankles, a cuff round the head sorts them out. But, you need to let the farmer know, if he doesn't know how can he sort it?
Quite how it got to horses, bikes and crap is beyond belief.
Quite how it got to horses, bikes and crap is beyond belief.
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I have one of these
Well sprung for walking.
7 day shpp have it as an own brand too but with an extra plastic bit for snow to put on the tip.
Clever folding handle for the 1/4 inch camera screw which works well with my compact Samsung and Canon G1.
You can use it to deter dogs too. As Jonesy would say "they don't like it up 'em"
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Not quite true
Poorer person can be stuck with an older vehicle with tired engine or larger old tired engine
Richer person may buy more expensive hybrid vehicles with engines with emmissions in same range for lower tax bands etc.
Examples include the new range of BMW vehicles which will cost £60K+ will low duty bands.
A neighbour of mine has a very old 2.8 Granada which is borderline on emmissions every year. His CO2 is due to him being too poor (or tight) to change car.
Yes I have been involved with newer technology vehicles including compressed natural gas as a fuel.
I am losing my original cynicism on calculating "cradle to the grave" CO2 aggregated totals as the use and reuse of recyclables in vehicle assembly increases.
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I have been bitten by a dog quite a few times,got the scars to prove it
Snap but then I used to spend a lot of time with rescue dogs
Collies are the worst, they got so excited when you go into to run to walk them they often nip,
but not intentionally
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You've failed to address my points though?
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Now of course this is nonsense as pre-2001 cars are taxed on engine size not CO2
The system was frozen, it hadn't changed and he is not affected by his engines appalling (by todays standards) lower power and high emissions....The price is fixed at just £230/annum....Quite a bit cheaper than my 2013 Mercedes GL which is in the K band £635 it was last year, dropping to £285 from there on 
Not to forget that on a new £60K+ vehicle like your BMW and my Mercedes it brings in a tidy sum of VAT into the coffers that will never be recovered...and in my case about £140 fuel every two weeks...It's choices for everyone but please don't bring out this poor vs rich card, I find it pathetic and the facts aren't even correct...Besides the tax in VED is nothing as an ownership cost and contribution to the state coffers compared to the other taxes being paid...And not least unrelated to actual road use in the UK thus the link back to horses having a right as well, and cyclist, just like there is a right of way over private land, although that shouldn't give anyway the right to litter and abuse it as I noticed tonight, nor does anyone deserve to get bitten...phew I think that worked its way back....Just have a friendly chat with the farmer owning the dogs and move on
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I thimk you are totally missing my point which has nothing to do with your post.
I am taking a point about emmissions can increase the overall cost and nothing to do with rich v poor. In my example the neighbour's car is 'unhealthy' and is paying a higher road fund fee than many newer cars.
The awaited range of BMWs 'electric' cars will be very expensive and will have (I thimk if i remember the presenfation I attended) one in the lowest band due to it's emissions. The point I made was to debunk a rich v poor stand. Indeed there may be a point, depending on annual mileage, where an old big engine large car, will, even with higb road fund, low mileage and consequent lower fuel use than a suoer efficient Nissa Leaf. Overall cost of ownership is also a discriminator for the "ricb" or "poor" alike. Add to the mix the point at whicb the road fund fee is no longer levied. I agree that VED Iis a minor part of the overall cash cow being fed by taxes.
As to the biting dog issue, living as I do in a rural area, albeit in a village, I have come across farmers who resent public rights of way but most just get on with their business and are generally quite amenable. Both they and the people using rights of way can live in balance but working dogs are not, in my experience, exciteable animals unless provoked. Pets on the other hand are a different matter. Lucklly I have not had any problems locally with workkng dogs. I do, however, stick to the footpaths and have had good contact with the farmers as I do.
My sister lives on the Gower and works to rehome dogs from farms that won't work or get "paat it" She gas more trouble with poorly trained domestic dogs.
For the OP hopefully the dogs' owner is aware of what happened. It's the owner that faces court after all.
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I am taking a point about emmissions can increase the overall cost and nothing to do with rich v poor. In my example the neighbour's car is 'unhealthy' and is paying a higher road fund fee than many newer cars.
The awaited range of BMWs 'electric' cars will be very expensive and will have (I thimk if i remember the presenfation I attended) one in the lowest band due to it's emissions. The point I made was to debunk a rich v poor stand. Indeed there may be a point, depending on annual mileage, where an old big engine large car, will, even with higb road fund, low mileage and consequent lower fuel use than a suoer efficient Nissa Leaf. Overall cost of ownership is also a discriminator for the "ricb" or "poor" alike. Add to the mix the point at whicb the road fund fee is no longer levied. I agree that VED Iis a minor part of the overall cash cow being fed by taxes.
As to the biting dog issue, living as I do in a rural area, albeit in a village, I have come across farmers who resent public rights of way but most just get on with their business and are generally quite amenable. Both they and the people using rights of way can live in balance but working dogs are not, in my experience, exciteable animals unless provoked. Pets on the other hand are a different matter. Lucklly I have not had any problems locally with workkng dogs. I do, however, stick to the footpaths and have had good contact with the farmers as I do.
My sister lives on the Gower and works to rehome dogs from farms that won't work or get "paat it" She gas more trouble with poorly trained domestic dogs.
For the OP hopefully the dogs' owner is aware of what happened. It's the owner that faces court after all.
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electric cars are the future, as long as the electricity isn't generated by coal power station. Diesel is much more eco friendly than 'black death' producing nothing more but CO2, CO and soot.
Since old bangers have been mentioned - it is a real pet hate of mine (count black cabs in the same list). They tend to be mostly petrol, naturally aspirated, no-modern technology like injectors and badly worn. In other terms they vaporise and spit petrol back out. I can hardly think of anything much more polluting than that. Let's ban all out-of-date petrol cars and put their owners on buses. Problem solved. In fact put all americans on busses and switch off their big aircons. That will solve climate warming in an instant.
It is largely irrelevant how much CO2 a modern car produces per mile. One person drives 30k/pa, the other less that 3k. VED should be combined with fuel duty and not charged separately. Only that is fair.
P.S. How is the DOG?
Since old bangers have been mentioned - it is a real pet hate of mine (count black cabs in the same list). They tend to be mostly petrol, naturally aspirated, no-modern technology like injectors and badly worn. In other terms they vaporise and spit petrol back out. I can hardly think of anything much more polluting than that. Let's ban all out-of-date petrol cars and put their owners on buses. Problem solved. In fact put all americans on busses and switch off their big aircons. That will solve climate warming in an instant.
It is largely irrelevant how much CO2 a modern car produces per mile. One person drives 30k/pa, the other less that 3k. VED should be combined with fuel duty and not charged separately. Only that is fair.
P.S. How is the DOG?
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A 73 year old women died yesterday after being bitten by a police dog. It just goes to show that even in experienced hands things do go tragically wrong from time to time. The matter has been referred to the IPCC. This is yet another example of where the dog was not kept under control. This should never of happened.
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There is a very little information available on what happened. The press release talked about contact with a police dog in her kitchen whilst searching her garden for a suspect Some new papers have turned that into a savage attack whilst other news papers stick to simply rehashing the press release.
Absolutely tragic for this 73 year old terminal cancer sufferer. However until the ipcc investigation is done perhaps best to stick to the facts.
On a personal note when I had a burglary in progress a police dog was deployed also. However it stayed on the lead, iow under control, all the time whilst searching the grounds, and the fields surrounding our property. Have others got similar experiences?
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So poor people should not be allowed cars! If you cannot afford at least a Prius, you must not drive! The hospital cleaner, or office cleaner, who struggles off to work at 4am in their rubbishy old Ford Escort and takes home the minimum wage that just about allows them to pay for that mode of transport must stop driving and be put on the bus ... except there aren't any buses running at 4am!!
What a typical environmentalist stance! Yes, I like the old canard that environmentalists are like watermelons; green on the outside - red on the inside - but of course it is the Marxism of the proper old party; some Marxists are more equal than others!! The little ugly people have to stop polluting with their old banger cars so the important beautiful people can fly to the Maldives for their holidays!!
A Telegraph reader posted a lovely comment recently in answer to a Christopher Booker article which fits here: "Environmentalism without hypocracy is like spaghetti bolognese without pasta!"
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2001 diesel mondeo is probably less than £1000 if you look around. Any more reasons to drive petrol spitting bangers? If they spend less on fags and on booze they could afford far more even on min wage. I started with low salary yet somewhow managed to buy some gear and a set of wheels.
If you think climate warming is not an issue you are lucky to be in UK this year. Many people in US, China and Australia or Brazil experrienced otherwise... Don't worry it is coming our way too - extreme winters and really wet summers already plagued us recently.
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You really should stop! Your slip is showing!!
Aren't the poor lucky that they've got you to tell them how to spend their money!
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I am just trying to imagine a world where there are no dogs, horses, cows, wildlife larger than a rabbit, cyclists, only shiny modern cars, nothing old and certainly none of those classic and vintage things.... what did I miss that has been covered in this thread?
oh and sorry, my imagination is quite good but it refuses to believe that such a world is in anyway achievable or desirable by any but oddest of people.
oh and sorry, my imagination is quite good but it refuses to believe that such a world is in anyway achievable or desirable by any but oddest of people.
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As an environmental management consultant I am not an environmentalist per se..... thankfully.
I only look at direct issues and do not indulge in beating a drum that is large but makes little sound.
I, like you, feel that telling other people what they can or cannot do with their lives, their money, or hopes and aspirations is overbearing and plain wrong.
Too many Daily Mail reader types open too many arguments that revolve around tbe need that 'they should ban.....' or 'something should be done to stop.....'
Usually aimed at the less fortunate in society or anyone that gets 'my money' from the state.
For me the choice I made to become involvex in the field of environmental management was about making things easier not to talk down to others. Most importantly as to drive awareness of cost effectiveness in how to manufacture and improve industry at a time when resources are waning not just from material extraction but from a rising global population that is growing in wealth but more importantly in demand for food, product and health support.
So for me I only earn when my clients save money..... Since 1995 when I left university at 40 years of age, my yearly income has only gone up. I am now able to chokse when to work so work when I choose.
So the environment az a source of employment is, for me, not an arena to crush peoples wants needs and desires. Moe like offering choices at a time when the population are being talked down abd dictated to by those whose ultimate aim is not founded on good science but on a mix of envy, totalitarianism and a NIMBY style of denying others through over pricing basics.
That is not environmentalism but as you describe, a form of repression. Keep challenging because if we don't things will just get worsd and I'll have wasted my time.
Back to the future..... or back to the topic....
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And this is exactly where the environmentalists go wrong with their Eco transport. I live on top of a hill, and have three 4wd vehicles, and the GL class especially is huge and will go anywhere. I'm ready for the weather. Bring it on.
In the mean time I'll help key workers and emergency services in my evening in the winter when all the Eco warriors fall of their bikes and require treatment
Ps. I may have used some poetic freedom in this post
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Dogs, fundamentally, cannot be trusted. This is why. Despite, what all the dog owners/fanatics say, they cannot be 100% accountable for their dogs actions. Hence the OP got bit, children get killed, this poor woman died. None of these were desired outcomes by the people in charge of these awful dogs. Bad/aggressive dogs, six feet under is the only choice. Sadly the police need dogs for sniffing out drugs etc, I wish there was a better way to rid this country of these awful things.
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Many people also can't be trusted nor held 100% accountable. You may find the latter number is greater in fact. I don't think I need to point a
You realise that in that world, cats would rule and crap in the odd peoples' back gardens!!
add cats to that list as well please
as long as they are collectables ideally on public display and not being driven about on a daily basis
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Dogs can be trusted absolutely! They can be trusted to be dogs and to behave as dogs. If you treat them with the slightest understanding instead of your paranoid phobia they will respond in kind.
It's exactly analogous to the fact that some people can guide a car around a curve at a speed that others can't understand, can't appreciate and can't do!
Jean Paul worded it far better than I can
Guess what! I can't agree with that either!
Cars, even old ones are machines for driving. I have no desire to exhibit or display either my Mini or my Derby Bentley. I don't want to join a club and blow smoke up each others' exhaust pipes about how it's the best car ever in the world. But whenever I drive an old or odd car, it's apparent that I give more pleasure to other people who see the car being used, than I get myself from driving it.
That's the real joy for everyone! The serendipity of an unregulated surprise! ... You know, the sort of unexpected thing that gets photographers grabbing their cameras to record the pleasure of the moment!!
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No, the scum on the train back from Leeds, the drunken messes in Leeds on Saturday night indicate one thing. Too many people cannot be trusted with alcohol. Rationing to no more than 10 units/wk with no more than 5 units in any 24hr period needs done. Such a system could work, using an infrastructure like the Oyster card. If not, total prohibition. It would solve the really drunk driver problem too.
Vintage cars do such a small millage the polution they make is negligible, plus they are ace. If we banned dogs/cats the CO2 not generated by pets, could be offset by that of vintage cars. In my dream world it would be nice to hear an E type come past, rather than the squelch of Fidos crap under my foot.
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Not a hope in hell. You can have 100 Oyster cards for a start and just who will police it?
You neglect home brew
We also know how prohibition worked so well in theUSA
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