Better to be fat than lazy......

[Raptor Mike]

Exercise is for fitness, diet is for weight control.

Whilst exercise can help assist weight loss, without changes to your diet exercise alone will have very little impact.

This is why it's important to watch what you eat AND exercise.

The number of people I see putting on facebook that they're trying to lose weight, do an exercise class/go to the gym and get a McDonalds on the way home..... :banghead:

It's highly unlikely the exercise they've done would have burnt anywhere near as many calories as they've consumed although hopefully their fitness would have improved

How true this is. I'm over weight. I do a physical job and judo training at least once a week but I wasn't loosing weight. So I'm doing the slimming world diet with a lot of help from my wife who is also doing it. But for me to do a diet constantly I, like many others, would just get fed up and give it up. So Saturdays and Sundays are 'free' days when we can eat what we want, but just be sensible. This really helps because it gets me through the week. Sure it means I'm loosing weight slower but don't they say the slower you loose it the more chance it will stay off?

One thing I will say to people though is that I've had an illness since I was ten. it is something that relapses and was treated with a steroid called Prednisolone, asmatics sometimes use it, until they finally found a better drug for me. But at times I was taking 90mg, that's 18 tablets, of it. It's nasty stuff and gives you loads of side effects such as water retention, constant hunger, and steroid induced diabetes. So if you see a fat person please don't assume it's because they're lazy or gluttonous.

 

[Steve Smith]

Somebody will be along shortly to point out that power athletes tend to come up as obese on the BMI scale and then everybody will be happy

Not a power athlete (whatever that is) but I am the same height and weight as someone at work and therefore, we have the same BMI. He plays rugby, goes off road mountain biking and is generally quite active.

He doesn't need to lose any weight whereas I could lose a few pounds.


Steve.

 

[JonathanRyan]

Not a power athlete (whatever that is)

Exactly people like rugby players Basically people who have a lot of muscle - as opposed to an endurance athlete who may have much smaller muscles.

The difference between you and your rugby player friend will be body fat percentage - buts that's relatively tricky to measure accurately so the shortcut is to assume everybody has about the same BF% and use BMI. That penalises people like rugby players - in the US pretty much all "football" players come up as obese and basketball players are "malnourished". This leads lots of people to think that BMI is a pointless metric.

 

[viv1969]

I wouldn't even eat that rubbish.

Unflavoured protien in a smoothy made with fruit, porridge oats, spinach and almonds. Much better.

If that's the kind of food that floats your boat...power to you....fill ya boots.
But there's nothing inherently wrong with most food that's seen as "bad" or "rubbish"......it's a matter of balance.

 

[nilagin]

If that's the kind of food that floats your boat...power to you....fill ya boots.
But there's nothing inherently wrong with most food that's seen as "bad" or "rubbish"......it's a matter of balance.

Mars bars are not food, just because it's edible doesn't make it food.

 

[Bobsyeruncle]

Love that.
Should you be 9'5'' ?

At least

 

[viv1969]

Mars bars are not food, just because it's edible doesn't make it food.

If you say so.
It still doesn't make it bad or crap though.
Eating only Mars bars, well that would be different.

 

[nilagin]

Apart from the fact that Mars bars are actually yummy, they are a high glycemic index food. These are usually a really bad idea but right after exercise it spikes your insulin response and allows you to replenish glycogen faster. Your recovery food is all low glycemic carbs which are fine for pre loading, but simple sugars will recover you faster Also, yummy.

After all, I may be running a marathon tomorrow

Some fruits are simple sugars, the insulin spike allows the amino acids to repair muscles. After all recovery isn't just rebuilding energy stores.

 

[Nikon_Nick]

Mars bars are not food, just because it's edible doesn't make it food.

Can you expand on that a tad?

 

[nilagin]

If you say so.
It still doesn't make it bad or crap though.
Eating only Mars bars, well that would be different.

Why do they need such an 8% saturated fat content and very little protien? It's pointless in creating an insulin spike if there is no amino acids to repair the muscles all he is supplying himself with is a quick fix and a sugar craving later on. The only real good purpose a Mars bar would be is to a diabetic that needs that inulin spike to save their life.

 

[viv1969]

The only real good purpose a Mars bar would be is to a diabetic that needs that inulin spike to save their life.

An occasional pleasure means nothing?
Especially without any long term harm?

 

[nilagin]

Can you expand on that a tad?

See my post above, food should serve a nutritional purpose, Mars bars don't, there is very little in a Mars bar of any real nutritional value. Anything else is just something that you stick in your mouth, chew, swallow and will ultimately turn to fat.

 

[viv1969]

See my post above, food should serve a nutritional purpose, Mars bars don't, there is very little in a Mars bar of any real nutritional value. Anything else is just something that you stick in your mouth, chew, swallow and will ultimately turn to fat.

I find that rather sad.

 

[nilagin]

An occasional pleasure means nothing?
Especially without any long term harm?

To create in insulin spike, simply eat foods with a high glycemic index. What this means is foods that have simple sugars in them. The higher the glycemic index that a food is, the more simple the sugars are and the quicker they enter your bloodstream. Studies have shown that insulin replenishes glycogen stores in the liver, stops protein breakdown after a workout, and increases amino acid uptake into the body. Well this all sounds fine and dandy for athletes, but unfortunately, as everything, there is a downside to our good friend insulin.
Insulin plays an extremely large role in storing fat. Whenever insulin is released, glucose stores are stored as glycogen in the liver for energy, as stated earlier. This is all great whenever your glycogen stores are depleted after a workout, but if they are full, because you don't workout, and insulin is released, the extra glucose will be transported DIRECTLY into fat cells. What happens when something enters the fat cells? It causes obesity.

 

[Nikon_Nick]

Right...

You do know that occasionally people do eat for pleasure, yes?

 

[JonathanRyan]

This is all great whenever your glycogen stores are depleted after a workout, but if they are full, because you don't workout, and insulin is released, the extra glucose will be transported DIRECTLY into fat cells. What happens when something enters the fat cells? It causes obesity.

You saw the bit that said I'd just come in from a workout, right? I could have had fruit, but TBH Mars bars are more fun.

I'd challenge the idea that I'm obese

 

[nilagin]

You saw the bit that said I'd just come in from a workout, right? I could have had fruit, but TBH Mars bars are more fun.

I'd challenge the idea that I'm obese

Read again what you quoted about working out and not working out. There is still too much additional crap in Mars Bars to make it a healthy option over fruit and additional nutrients that your body needs and can't get from a Mars Bar..

 

[nilagin]

Right...

You do know that occasionally people do eat for pleasure, yes?

Yes.

 

[Adam J]

So now your suggesting that anyone that enjoys eating is overweight?

 

[nilagin]

All depends on what you enjoy eating. Add to that, not all fat is visible, even skinny people get high cholesterol and have heart attacks

 

[viv1969]

Yes.
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Really?
You think an occasional pleasure does that?

Christ.

 

[big soft moose]

heres a thought if a skinny person and a fat person run the same distance , does the fat person get more benefit out of the exercise because they are carrying more weight ?

 

[nilagin]

Really?
You think an occasional pleasure does that?

Christ.

To different extremes, yes especially as people get older and metabolism slows. Why do you think there is obesity problems and people can see no fault in their diet.

 

[Adam J]

They would expend more energy for sure. Benefit though....

 

[Adam J]

Because maybe it isn't an issue for them? Maybe they are comfortable as they are?

 

[big soft moose]

They would expend more energy for sure. Benefit though....

Surely it would be like the SAS man runing with a bergen full of bricks, just that the 'bricks' are built in

 

[nilagin]

heres a thought if a skinny person and a fat person run the same distance , does the fat person get more benefit out of the exercise because they are carrying more weight ?

Not enough info, the fat person could be fitter and have a healthier heart than the skinny person. If either person is unfit and doesn't have a healthy heart it could do them more damage than benefit, but the additional weight would likely make it worse for the fat person.

 

[Nikon_Nick]

Yes.
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You Sir, are to food, as Catholics are to intercourse.

 

[nilagin]

You Sir, are to food, as Catholics are to intercourse.

I believe in eating to live not living to eat I enjoy 6-7 meals a day during the week when I workout and 3 or 4 meals on weekends which are rest days. Sweets, cakes and processed foods have no place in any of that.
Yourself and others may think that sad and
a poor outlook on life but I am willing to bet your diet will go alot poorer than the odd mars bar etc.

 

[Nod]

Enjoy? Protein shake? Oxymoron alert! Besides, protein shakes may contain protein but are they food or food supplements? A good, healthy diet should provide everything the body needs.

 

[Raptor Mike]

I've been sticking to my diet and I've done two judo sessions this week, Wednesday and Friday. Last nights was started with some curciut training with kettle bells, press ups and some some called a Bulgarian bag plus a few other bits. Imagine my dismay when I got on the scales to see I've put on 2lbs. This week is the first week back at judo since before Xmas and although it was hard work I really enjoyed it. We're taking the kids swimming later too.

 

[big soft moose]

I've been sticking to my diet and I've done two judo sessions this week, Wednesday and Friday. Last nights was started with some curciut training with kettle bells, press ups and some some called a Bulgarian bag plus a few other bits. Imagine my dismay when I got on the scales to see I've put on 2lbs. This week is the first week back at judo since before Xmas and although it was hard work I really enjoyed it. We're taking the kids swimming later too.

Although if you are doing intensive exercise it could be muscle rather than fat - it might be wise to find some other measures as well as gross weight, like taking a topless shot each week and comparing how you look - you may well find that you can see a shrinking gut but a growing chest and shoulders (another option is to measre the circumfrence of your flabby bits)

 

[boyfalldown]

I believe in eating to live not living to eat I enjoy 6-7 meals a day during the week when I workout and 3 or 4 meals on weekends which are rest days. Sweets, cakes and processed foods have no place in any of that.
Yourself and others may think that sad and
a poor outlook on life but I am willing to bet your diet will go alot poorer than the odd mars bar etc.

it won't make you live longer - it'll just seem like it

 

[nilagin]

Enjoy? Protein shake? Oxymoron alert! Besides, protein shakes may contain protein but are they food or food supplements? A good, healthy diet should provide everything the body needs.

If you are exercising, your body needs nutrition after to restore energy levels and repair the muscles. Protein comes from different sources and has different release and absorption rates. Whey Protein (protein shakes) is readily absorbed within the required time window after exercise, the same goes for the insulin spike provided by the carb intake. It's pretty much pointless giving your body the insulin spike if protein to be transported around the body by the glycogen can't be absorbed for another few hours.

 

[nilagin]

it won't make you live longer - it'll just seem like it

So far I've been a lot fitter and healthier than many of my friends of the same age, in fact more so than people a lot younger too. I aim to keep it that way as long as possible and enjoy it.

 

[big soft moose]

to be fair I tend to find that protein shakes don't taste of anything much - so incoporating one in fruit smoothie isnt a problem

 

[Raptor Mike]

Although if you are doing intensive exercise it could be muscle rather than fat - it might be wise to find some other measures as well as gross weight, like taking a topless shot each week and comparing how you look - you may well find that you can see a shrinking gut but a growing chest and shoulders (another option is to measre the circumfrence of your flabby bits)

Good idea

 

[Raptor Mike]

One of the guys at judo looked into what to eat/drink after a workout. He recons the best thing is milkshake like crusha, nesquik etc. You get the sugars your body needs and the protein from the milk....and they're tastey too!

 

[nilagin]

One of the guys at judo looked into what to eat/drink after a workout. He recons the best thing is milkshake like crusha, nesquik etc. You get the sugars your body needs and the protein from the milk....and they're tastey too!

Milk isn't as readily absorbed as whey protein, The milk will help provide protein later on when your body needs more though.

 

[JonathanRyan]

I am willing to bet your diet will go alot poorer than the odd mars bar etc.

Too right. Here's the goody bag from the marathon I ran yesterday. Put together by <cough> a qualified nutritionist.....