Amy Winehouse Found Dead.

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matty said:
those that are keeping score should also note that the Somalia famine, the car crash that people died in, the 5 people poisoned in hospital, soldiers dying and countless other things are all tragedys, they wont all get a mention though, that doesnt mean people dont think of them.
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I cant remember who said it but " 1 death is a tragedy - 1000 is a statistic" so its always easier to get worked up about 1 death of someone high profile than it is to greive for the 1000s of faceless people who die before their time everyday
 
No matter what you think of her and her music it's sad that someone of her age should feel so down on life that she turned to drink and drugs.

It's a sad reflection on the world we live in that people feel the need.

Two years ago almost to the day my big Bruv drank himself to death, he was just shy of 51 years old.

Don't tell me they are old enough to know better, nor tell me that it's tough they got what they deserved.

I know first hand what it does, I nursed my Mum back to health after the shock of his death nearly killed her too, I've watched her feel enormous guilt for giving him money to keep a roof above his head whilst he drank a litre of vodka every day. I finally got her back to health, but how do I help his 8 year old daughter come to terms with the fact that daddy is gone.

My brother wasn't a waste of space, he was my Mums first born, he was a little girls daddy.

Personaly I couldn't stand him, neither could I stand Amy but they are someones sons and daughters.

To those that chose to slag her off on TP please stop first and think of this.

There but for the grace of your God are you.

Drink and drugs are only the symptom of an underlying illness.

Amy if you believed in God then I hope your heart is now calm.

RIP youngster, you won't be forgotten.
 
I'm in the camp of the no sympathy from me brigade. Wasn't ever a fan of her music, and looking at the record sales it would seem that whilst a huge proportion of the world seem hell bent on lauding her as some kind of 'great talent' it certainly didn't show where it counts!

Accidents and indiscriminate killings are tragic losses, self inflicted abuse of drugs and alcohol isn't. The family will no doubt be devastated and I hope they embark on a campaign of awareness to help other youngsters stay off drugs in the first place so that some good may come if it but her loss was entirely predictable - along with countless other crackheads who would have also died today, tomorrow, yesterday.....
 
ChrisH said:
No matter what you think of her and her music it's sad that someone of her age should feel so down on life that she turned to drink and drugs.

It's a sad reflection on the world we live in that people feel the need.

Two years ago almost to the day my big Bruv drank himself to death, he was just shy of 51 years old.

Don't tell me they are old enough to know better, nor tell me that it's tough they got what they deserved.

I know first hand what it does, I nursed my Mum back to health after the shock of his death nearly killed her too, I've watched her feel enormous guilt for giving him money to keep a roof above his head whilst he drank a litre of vodka every day. I finally got her back to health, but how do I help his 8 year old daughter come to terms with the fact that daddy is gone.

My brother wasn't a waste of space, he was my Mums first born, he was a little girls daddy.

Personaly I couldn't stand him, neither could I stand Amy but they are someones sons and daughters.

To those that chose to slag her off on TP please stop first and think of this.

There but for the grace of your God are you.

Drink and drugs are only the symptom of an underlying illness.

Amy if you believed in God then I hope your heart is now calm.

RIP youngster, you won't be forgotten.
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As someone who has suffered similar fate with two members of my family, I can feel your pain in your post.
 
Banned ?

only divs get banned, I think you're safe..:)
 
oldestswinger said:
Accidents and indiscriminate killings are tragic losses, self inflicted abuse of drugs and alcohol isn't.
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To come out with a statement like that after what ChrisH has just posted, is just incredibly thoughtless and disrespectful.
 
Marcel said:
To come out with a statement like that after what ChrisH has just posted, is just incredibly thoughtless and disrespectful.
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See - I have a rule - before I call somebody names or question their integrity in a public place I would first do some rudimentary investigation to clarify any assumptions.
 
oldestswinger said:
See - I have a rule - before I call somebody names or question their integrity in a public place I would first do some rudimentary investigation to clarify any assumptions.
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matty said:
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Your fellow Mod, by implication, was calling me thoughtless and disrespectful in connection with my post. The timing if which followed another members post of their experiences. The thrust of this being that I had actually read the prior post before posting my own.

Firstly I don't go around directly commenting on others motives for posting and I would have expected better from a Mod! :shake:
 
oldestswinger said:
Your fellow Mod, by implication, was calling me thoughtless and disrespectful in connection with my post. The timing if which followed another members post of their experiences. The thrust of this being that I had actually read the prior post before posting my own.

Firstly I don't go around directly commenting on others motives for posting and I would have expected better from a Mod! :shake:
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So you didn't read Chris' post before posting your own? No one questioned your motive, the sentiment though...
 
oldestswinger said:
The bother equally would have been saved had you not assumed initially that I had!
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Generally people do read a thread before commenting, saves them posting a repeat or from making themselves look bad by posting insensitively in context with the rest of the thread
 
Lets not let this go the usual way of bickering please.

I've got thick skin so don't take it to heart. I've been there got the t-shirt and read the book.

All I would ask everyone to do is put yourselves in Amy's parents shoes right now. As the saying goes " walk a mile in my shoes before you claim to know me "

Drink and drugs are never the true evil, they are the result of other symptoms. Every crack head, pot head, alchoholic started out life the same as every banker, MP, painter, decorator, Mum, Dad Uncle tom cobbly and Father christmas.

Somewhere in their lives they felt the need to turn to a means of escape. Some are lucky and take to bungie jumping, parachuting, X-Fighting and a million other sports and passtimes that help them get through life. Some sadly turn to booze and drugs. Why I have no idea and nor does anyone that doesn't truly know that person.

My Brother had a 50K a year job working in Libya as a draftsman, he had 3 houses and 3 cars, a Moto Guzzi motorbike, and a half share in a stunt glider. You'd think he was happy. Sometime when he was about 18 he started to get a liking for the drink. My Mum and myself have spent hours and hours trying to figure him out. My Dad liked a Lambs Navy Rum at Christmas, always a tot never a pint. He got hat from his days in the Royal Navy. My Mum liked an odd tipple but not much. Myself I'm nearly teatotal, I like a Guiness now and again, occasionaly an Irish Whiskey.

I'll tell you I'm a seriuos depressive, but do I turn to drink or drugs no I don't.

Have a I ever figured out my brother, nope nor do I give a damn. He wasn't a good brother to me, or a good son to my Mum after my dad died.

But and this is why I feel really sad for Amy's Mum, Dad and family.

Imagine holding your Mum who is 74 in your arms whilst she sobbs like a baby, imagine wiping the tears from her face as she weeps for her first born.

I'm not trying to be melodromatic, I actually shed a tear for those poor people in Norway today, I don't bear grief for just those who are famous.

Now let me step down from my soapbox. Please just think beyond the person thats drunk or drugged up. It doesn't just affect them.

This world is F***** up enough as it is lets not bring it to TP somewhere I feel at home in.
 
I admire your patience..........:D
 
matty said:
Generally people do read a thread before commenting, saves them posting a repeat or from making themselves look bad by posting insensitively in context with the rest of the thread
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I agree with you, generally people do and I also do as a matter of course too as I'm assuming you weren't referring to me in this instance. I also find when responding on a busy topic that more than one person can be typing at any particular time which can result in posts being posted quite close together such that the poster of the later item might have not had the opportunity of reading the most recent posting even if prompted. Generally it would be wise for people to therefore not assume a poster had read it unless a sufficient time had elapsed and/or the previous post was directly quoted indicating absolute knowledge of the post in question.
 
ChrisH said:
Lets not let this go the usual way of bickering please.

I've got thick skin so don't take it to heart. I've been there got the t-shirt and read the book.

All I would ask everyone to do is put yourselves in Amy's parents shoes right now. As the saying goes " walk a mile in my shoes before you claim to know me "

Drink and drugs are never the true evil, they are the result of other symptoms. Every crack head, pot head, alchoholic started out life the same as every banker, MP, painter, decorator, Mum, Dad Uncle tom cobbly and Father christmas.

Somewhere in their lives they felt the need to turn to a means of escape. Some are lucky and take to bungie jumping, parachuting, X-Fighting and a million other sports and passtimes that help them get through life. Some sadly turn to booze and drugs. Why I have no idea and nor does anyone that doesn't truly know that person.

My Brother had a 50K a year job working in Libya as a draftsman, he had 3 houses and 3 cars, a Moto Guzzi motorbike, and a half share in a stunt glider. You'd think he was happy. Sometime when he was about 18 he started to get a liking for the drink. My Mum and myself have spent hours and hours trying to figure him out. My Dad liked a Lambs Navy Rum at Christmas, always a tot never a pint. He got hat from his days in the Royal Navy. My Mum liked an odd tipple but not much. Myself I'm nearly teatotal, I like a Guiness now and again, occasionaly an Irish Whiskey.

I'll tell you I'm a seriuos depressive, but do I turn to drink or drugs no I don't.

Have a I ever figured out my brother, nope nor do I give a damn. He wasn't a good brother to me, or a good son to my Mum after my dad died.

But and this is why I feel really sad for Amy's Mum, Dad and family.

Imagine holding your Mum who is 74 in your arms whilst she sobbs like a baby, imagine wiping the tears from her face as she weeps for her first born.

I'm not trying to be melodromatic, I actually shed a tear for those poor people in Norway today, I don't bear grief for just those who are famous.

Now let me step down from my soapbox. Please just think beyond the person thats drunk or drugged up. It doesn't just affect them.

This world is F***** up enough as it is lets not bring it to TP somewhere I feel at home in.
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Chris my mom is an alcaholic and a heroin addict and has been for 20 years now I'm only 22 so I was brought up around it. Now she couldn't sort her self out for her kids and now I don't talk to her for that reason. So no one can tell me I should feel sorry for Amy!
 
duttytd said:
Chris my mom is an alcaholic and a heroin addict and has been for 20 years now I'm only 22 so I was brought up around it. Now she couldn't sort her self out for her kids and now I don't talk to her for that reason. So no one can tell me I should feel sorry for Amy!
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No but surely it illustrates the power those things can have over people.

Addiction will beat talent every time, addiction can beat most things given the chance.

The worst thing is those who are all over Facebook, changing their profile pics and saying "Poor Amy" are the same ones who say that heroin addicts are scum and don't deserve help.
 
As a paparazzi I've taken Amy's picture a lot on her crazy and non crazy nights out,
she although at times was crazy most of the time she was just a sweet nice girl,
we all have our own demons inside and it is with great shame hers got the better of her, family friends they can all help but in the day of light only you can help yourself and unfortunately she could not, I will really miss her tbh and it's a very sad day R.I.P Amy
 
I must admit I am quite surprised at some of the comments posted in this thread. I have been taught that you should always respect the dead no matter who they were, or what they did, and even if they were your enemy.

Whatever the cause of her death I think that people should at least show some respect if not for her then for her family.
 
oldestswinger said:
Generally it would be wise for people to therefore not assume a poster had read it unless a sufficient time had elapsed and/or the previous post was directly quoted indicating absolute knowledge of the post in question.
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Deleted; not worth it.
 
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DemiLion said:
Deleted; not worth it.
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I'll go for it then.

oldestswinger said:
I agree with you, generally people do and I also do as a matter of course too as I'm assuming you weren't referring to me in this instance. I also find when responding on a busy topic that more than one person can be typing at any particular time which can result in posts being posted quite close together such that the poster of the later item might have not had the opportunity of reading the most recent posting even if prompted. Generally it would be wise for people to therefore not assume a poster had read it unless a sufficient time had elapsed and/or the previous post was directly quoted indicating absolute knowledge of the post in question.
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It was 13 minutes elapsed between posts and the next post above yours. I think that was reasonable for a Mod to think you were responding. They are only human and as such makes mistakes and a simple "I wasn't referring to the above" would probably have sufficed.

Personally I took that as a personal comment - not one in a mod's capacity.
 
As for Amy, shame for such a great talent. Back to Black is a standout album.

The cynic in me says that death never ruined record sales
 
ding76uk said:
No but surely it illustrates the power those things can have over people.

Addiction will beat talent every time, addiction can beat most things given the chance.

The worst thing is those who are all over Facebook, changing their profile pics and saying "Poor Amy" are the same ones who say that heroin addicts are scum and don't deserve help.
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I don't call heroin addicts scum! I know that it is such a powerful addiction and as much as a lot of people on here will disagree with what I now have to say but it is also a very bad illness! One that grabs hold of you and squeezes everything out of you both mentally and physically! The reason I have given up on my mom is for the fact she has been in to rehab 3 times come out clean and then went back to her own ways. Yes they do say that getting clean is the easy part its staying clean that's the challenge but when you have 3 kids you need to do it for them. My mom couldn't do it for us instead she just stole and destroyed my childhood. It's not nice where you can't ring up your own mother and have a conversation like "how are you?" Without hearing more dramas that she has been arrested and stuff.
 
I think the general thrust is not feels sorry for Amy, it's feel sorry for the ones that are left behind.

Cross posting generally occurs in the same time frame, not 10 mins later, try typing with your hands rather than your feet..

I think this thread has bought out some polarised views, and probably best to let it slowly drop down the list.
 
An absolute tragedy when someone so young dies, Whilst it was obvious she had an undeniable talent I was never a fan of her music, but to see another human being self destruct in the way she did isn't a pretty sight.
Its all too easy to criticise addicts but few people realise how real addiction is. I, like others on this forum have seen it firsthand with family members and know how damaging it is, not just to the individual but also to the family unit, I just hope others might learn from this and not tread a similar path.
I'm a big believer that just because you make some wrong lifestyle choices it doesn't always make you a bad person.
 
Anthony I am truly sorry to hear your story. It's sad to see it from your side of the mirror.

Your the one in this story I feel sorry for most, but I still have a tiny weeny bit of sorrow for your Mum. Sorry that she can't like my big bruv see the error of her ways and a light at the end of the tunnel. Sadly not all addicts of any sort want help no matter what they portray.

Only thing I can say is I hope you've learnt from it and don't allow it to ruin your life.

Goos luck youngster :D
 
Marcel said:
I just hope none of you have to battle what is a very very real addiction.
Not everyone can turn their lives around. Some can, some can't.

That's the thing, people are different. Everyone is different. Some have the will of mind to do it, some have absolutely no chance.

Not saying she is far from blame, and yes she should have taken personal responsibility....but we only know what we are fed via the gutter press. We know nothing of her life, her person, her thoughts, feelings and mind. We know nothing of what she has been through as a person, so in reality have absolutely no right to comment on what she could or could not have done.

My opinion is that yes she had an awesome talent, and it's a bloody sad waste. I only hope that lots of kids now sit up and take notice of what addiction can do to a person.
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Agree wholeheartedly. The posters taking about "no sympathy" need to learn about the truth of addiction... and learn compassion.
 
One newspaper is claiming this morning that she died from an ecstasy and drink binge.

Back to Black is now top of the iTunes album chart
 
The23rdman said:
Agree wholeheartedly. The posters taking about "no sympathy" need to learn about the truth of addiction... and learn compassion.
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Yarp.

That's sort of what I put in my deleted post, but a bit more direct and less polite; hence the edit! :D
 
I can never understand why some are so eager to dance on someone's grave. No-one knows the true Amy Winehouse yet so many are determined to judge purely based on what they see in the media.

The sad thing is, I knew exactly what was going to happen as soon as this thread was started as it's happened so many times before. :shake:
 
Such a shame, and a real waste of a young life. It did have an air of inevitability about her death which does nothing to lessen the sadness of her death.

To all the no sympathy poster - I'm glad not everyone lives in such a judgemental world, and maybe learning a little of the harsh realities of addiction would be good
 
ChrisH said:
Anthony I am truly sorry to hear your story. It's sad to see it from your side of the mirror.

Your the one in this story I feel sorry for most, but I still have a tiny weeny bit of sorrow for your Mum. Sorry that she can't like my big bruv see the error of her ways and a light at the end of the tunnel. Sadly not all addicts of any sort want help no matter what they portray.

Only thing I can say is I hope you've learnt from it and don't allow it to ruin your life.

Goos luck youngster :D
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Thanks chris I didn't bring it up for sympathy it was more to show you I wasn't just saying what I said about Amy to be a cock but it was more that I have seen the effects of the drugs and drink and how selfish it makes people.

Tony.
 
fabs said:
I can never understand why some are so eager to dance on someone's grave. No-one knows the true Amy Winehouse yet so many are determined to judge purely based on what they see in the media.

The sad thing is, I knew exactly what was going to happen as soon as this thread was started as it's happened so many times before. :shake:
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I see no evidence of people "dancing on someones grave" as you put it. People, myself included, have just stated that it was an inevitable outcome, no different to your knowing what was going to happen to this thread, just a harsher result.
Will Amy's death save someone else from drug addiction, possibly, but then there are also others who are already so messed up with their own addiction and/or probably fanatical about Amy, they will want to follow in the same way.

A cynical and harsh observation, yes, but it is the world we all live in.

The people who I feel sorry for, are those who are left behind and forced to deal with the aftermath.
 
Having watched a couple mates die of drug addiction in my younger years I have seen this first hand, but never wanted to try for myself
I can only hope that the same that happened back then will happen now, some of my other freinds are only here today because it made them realise where they were headed and they went for help to kick the habit.
But as with all addictions you really have to want to do it to succeed
If Amy's death makes her fans sit up and think and she saves just a few lives then some good willl come of it all
Sympathy to her friends and parents
On the news this morning they still hadn't held a post mortem so had no idea of cause of death so let's not jump to conclusions just yet
 
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