Amy Winehouse Found Dead.

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nilagin said:
I see no evidence of people "dancing on someones grave" as you put it. People, myself included, have just stated that it was an inevitable outcome, no different to your knowing what was going to happen to this thread, just a harsher result.
Will Amy's death save someone else from drug addiction, possibly, but then there are also others who are already so messed up with their own addiction and/or probably fanatical about Amy, they will want to follow in the same way.

A cynical and harsh observation, yes, but it is the world we all live in.

The people who I feel sorry for, are those who are left behind and forced to deal with the aftermath.
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Not specifically but the tone is there but I'm not specifically referring to your post anyway. I feel sorry for both those who are left behind and Amy herself, do people really believe that she was just partying hard and having the time of her life without any regard for others? She clearly had deep underlying problems that you wouldn't wish on anyone and I don't believe she deserves to be vilified, especially given that all people know about her is what they've seen in the media.
 
nilagin said:
There is every difference between the Norway tragedy and AW.
The Norwegians are innocent victims, their deaths were not self induced. That is the definition of a tragic or sad loss..
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Some people have no grasp of real life.. Only what they read on the news :(

As of 10.20 am 67 thousand people have died around the world today.. How many will die by the end of today? How many will be horrible deaths we can only have nightmares about.. How many will be children. Yet you only compare a singer with drug problems against what happened in norway

simple fact is death is tragic no matter how it hapens.. amy winehouse started dying the first day she took drugs (if thats how she died)

death is tragic.. in my mind the younger the death the more the tragic... not how they died or what they where doing or how famous..

RIP Amy and RIP the FIVE HUNDRED people who died around the world while I was writing this reply ...
 
Are we allowed to post some jokes?
There's hundreds of them flying around :D
 
fabs said:
Not specifically but the tone is there but I'm not specifically referring to your post anyway. I feel sorry for both those who are left behind and Amy herself, do people really believe that she was just partying hard and having the time of her life without any regard for others? She clearly had deep underlying problems that you wouldn't wish on anyone and I don't believe she deserves to be vilified, especially given that all people know about her is what they've seen in the media.
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I just felt compelled to give my reasons on what I had posted. As for tone, it is sometimes hard to understand someones tone and can be misunderstood when seen in writing as opposed to being heard.
Partying hard with excessive use of drugs and drink, having the time of your life could just be one way of dealing with deep underlying problems, not everyone sits alone using whatever allows them to forget their troubles or block them out for a while.


Slighly off topic, as an observation of what I see in life and not directed at any people on here, I find too many people have what I would call an unhealthy acceptance to drugs, whether class A or not. I'm 48 and have work colleagues of similar age who have teenage kids. These work colleagues have dabbled in drugs in the past without becoming seriously addicted, and find it perfectly acceptable for their offspring to do the same. Maybe it's just me, having never even tried or wanted to try drugs of any sort, I've never smoked, I never drank to any real extent and haven't drunk alcohol in over 20 yrs, but I find their blase attitude very hard to comprehend. They will willingly accept their offspring doing something which could all too easily lead to their kids ending up the same way as Amy.
The other night there was a film on tv about Lemmy from Motorhead. In his 60's still partying hard and like many rock stars of his age who have lasted that long had reformed to a certain extent to preserve his own life. He still drinks heavily ( he was with another band and asked if they'd care to join him in a drink of Jack Daniels, they all accepted and he opened up a fresh bottle and passed it to the nearest person, he took a swig and passed the bottle onto the next band member, meanwhile Lemmy was opening further bottles so they would each have their own, the band members were quite taken aback that they were expected to be having a bottle each). Lemmy will also not deny he still takes drugs although he is careful to a certain extent of what he will take, having lost many friends in the past. As a current drug user it would be hard for him to tell his son not to take drugs, but his son openly admitted his dad had told him to stay away from heroine and cocaine or anything related as that had been the downfall of his friends, he'd told him to stick to speed if he must take something and he won't go far wrong.
 
Byker28i said:
As for Amy, shame for such a great talent. Back to Black is a standout album.

The cynic in me says that death never ruined record sales
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Never a truer word said, lets be honest Elvis was becoming a nobody with virtually zero sales until he died, look at the sale of Michael Jackson after his death.

I would expect Amy's 2 album to do very well this week.
 
Regardless of what others think of me or my morals, I'll shed no tears for her. I do have compassion and feel for her friends and family, but junkies are the scourge of the earth IMHO, and if every one of them were gone tomorrow I wouldn't care. Until society stops glorifying pop and rock star junkies as role models, impressionable youngsters won't get the message. Drugs kill, and any one who experiments just once runs the risk of going down Amy's route. So am I sad? No! She had a talent and she wasted it. There are far more people who do great things with their life who never see a newspaper, adulation or the trappings of their success or achievement. I'll keep my tears for them thankyou. :| May she rest in peace and her friends and family find comfort.

If I offend anyone, then accept my apologies. But, they are my honest thoughts.
 
Doog said:
Regardless of what others think of me or my morals, I'll shed no tears for her. I do have compassion and feel for her friends and family, but junkies are the scourge of the earth IMHO, and if every one of them were gone tomorrow I wouldn't care. Until society stops glorifying pop and rock star junkies as role models, impressionable youngsters won't get the message. Drugs kill, and any one who experiments just once runs the risk of going down Amy's route. So am I sad? No! She had a talent and she wasted it. There are far more people who do great things with their life who never see a newspaper, adulation or the trappings of their success or achievement. I'll keep my tears for them thankyou. :| May she rest in peace and her friends and family find comfort.

If I offend anyone, then accept my apologies. But, they are my honest thoughts.
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That is going to go down like a lead balloon mate!

I do agree with you though.
But having said that, when I was younger I was on the slippery slope. I started on with a bit of ganja with the mates, for a laugh. Smoked my self stupid (literally!) for a number of years. Then one day, the buzz wasn't enough, so I tried some speed.
Really liked that, and was using the stuff for several months.
Then one day, a 'mate' gave me some real nasty stuff, pure speed, cut with heroin.
Jesus, I was ROUGH! I was laid on the deck, almost unconcious throwing up for several hours.
The lads were on the verge of calling 999 I was such a mess.

That was the kick up the arse I needed to get me away from drugs. And the fact that I was such a druggy my lush girlfriend was going to leave me.
From that evening onwards, I have never touched any kind of drug since (although I am a smoker, but NOT herbal smokes!!!)

I had no reason to do drugs. I had a good life, a good family, a job etc, it was purely for fun which got a bit out of hand.
The thought of either of my kids doing it when they grow up scares the crap outta me.
It is really SOOOOOO easy to get hooked.
Before I hit the 'hard stuff', I was just smoking weed. Vast amounts of it.
I'd just sit in my room, smoking away.
I'd get up for work at 0700, the first thing I done was have a spliff.
Get to work for 0830, tea break was 1030, by which point, I was starting to feel rough. I needed my fix at tea break.

Lunch break was 1230, and I didn't eat much, just sat in the car, getting stoned again.
Afternoon tea break was at 1500, and same again, spliffs in the car.
This went on for about 3 years or so, until the terrible experience happended.

My point is, on one hand I don't feel sorry for Amy, on the other hand I do, as I know a) how easy it is to get into drugs, and b) how hard it is to stop.

I was well and truely addicted to Cannabis, even though apparantly it's not addictive............

I occasionaly see people I used to hang around with doing drugs, and one in particular is a right smack head now.
Everytime I see him, I thank God (if there is one!) that I didn't turn out like that.
Scary stuff............
 
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duttytd said:
I don't call heroin addicts scum! I know that it is such a powerful addiction and as much as a lot of people on here will disagree with what I now have to say but it is also a very bad illness! One that grabs hold of you and squeezes everything out of you both mentally and physically! The reason I have given up on my mom is for the fact she has been in to rehab 3 times come out clean and then went back to her own ways. Yes they do say that getting clean is the easy part its staying clean that's the challenge but when you have 3 kids you need to do it for them. My mom couldn't do it for us instead she just stole and destroyed my childhood. It's not nice where you can't ring up your own mother and have a conversation like "how are you?" Without hearing more dramas that she has been arrested and stuff.
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I wasn't saying you did, I feel for your situation. It was more a point of the hypocricsy that is happening with some. There are those with Amy on their wall and the "tragic loss" line who when my wife tells them she works with drug addicts trying to help them get clean they tell her that she works with "Scum" and "they get what they deserve" Yet when a famous addict dies they are pouring tea and sympathy all over the internet.
 
nilagin said:
Slighly off topic, as an observation of what I see in life and not directed at any people on here, I find too many people have what I would call an unhealthy acceptance to drugs, whether class A or not. I'm 48 and have work colleagues of similar age who have teenage kids. These work colleagues have dabbled in drugs in the past without becoming seriously addicted, and find it perfectly acceptable for their offspring to do the same. Maybe it's just me, having never even tried or wanted to try drugs of any sort, I've never smoked, I never drank to any real extent and haven't drunk alcohol in over 20 yrs, but I find their blase attitude very hard to comprehend. They will willingly accept their offspring doing something which could all too easily lead to their kids ending up the same way as Amy.
The other night there was a film on tv about Lemmy from Motorhead. In his 60's still partying hard and like many rock stars of his age who have lasted that long had reformed to a certain extent to preserve his own life. He still drinks heavily ( he was with another band and asked if they'd care to join him in a drink of Jack Daniels, they all accepted and he opened up a fresh bottle and passed it to the nearest person, he took a swig and passed the bottle onto the next band member, meanwhile Lemmy was opening further bottles so they would each have their own, the band members were quite taken aback that they were expected to be having a bottle each). Lemmy will also not deny he still takes drugs although he is careful to a certain extent of what he will take, having lost many friends in the past. As a current drug user it would be hard for him to tell his son not to take drugs, but his son openly admitted his dad had told him to stay away from heroine and cocaine or anything related as that had been the downfall of his friends, he'd told him to stick to speed if he must take something and he won't go far wrong.
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Apologies as well, but I also saw this programme and while quite funny in places it was actually quite sad. This elderly 'rocker' a shivering old man with almost nothing other than his son and a load of memories.

Listening to him - a very intelligent guy, I was left wondering if it had been worth it. Lemmy gave the impression that mostly it was.

There are number of people who have posted into this thread, some I disagree with most I don't. I can't pretend to understand what it's like to live with hard addiction - smoking I gave up for the third time 7 months ago:bonk:

I'll stick with my original comment though - a waste of talent.
 
andy_fozzy said:
That is going to go down like a lead balloon mate!

I do agree with you though.
But having said that, when I was younger I was on the slippery slope. I started on with a bit of ganja with the mates, for a laugh. Smoked my self stupid (literally!) for a number of years. Then one day, the buzz wasn't enough, so I tried some speed.
Really liked that, and was using the stuff for several months.
Then one day, a 'mate' gave me some real nasty stuff, pure speed, cut with heroin.
Jesus, I was ROUGH! I was laid on the deck, almost unconcious throwing up for several hours.
The lads were on the verge of calling 999 I was such a mess.

That was the kick up the arse I needed to get me away from drugs. And the fact that I was such a druggy my lush girlfriend was going to leave me.
From that evening onwards, I have never touched any kind of drug since (although I am a smoker, but NOT herbal smokes!!!)

I had no reason to do drugs. I had a good life, a good family, a job etc, it was purely for fun which got a bit out of hand.
The thought of either of my kids doing it when they grow up scares the crap outta me.
It is really SOOOOOO easy to get hooked.
Before I hit the 'hard stuff', I was just smoking weed. Vast amounts of it.
I'd just sit in my room, smoking away.
I'd get up for work at 0700, the first thing I done was have a spliff.
Get to work for 0830, tea break was 1030, by which point, I was starting to feel rough. I needed my fix at tea break.

Lunch break was 1230, and I didn't eat much, just sat in the car, getting stoned again.
Afternoon tea break was at 1500, and same again, spliffs in the car.
This went on for about 3 years or so, until the terrible experience happended.

My point is, on one hand I don't feel sorry for Amy, on the other hand I do, as I know a) how easy it is to get into drugs, and b) how hard it is to stop.

I was well and truely addicted to Cannabis, even though apparantly it's not addictive............

I occasionaly see people I used to hang around with doing drugs, and one in particular is a right smack head now.
Everytime I see him, I thank God (if there is one!) that I didn't turn out like that.
Scary stuff............
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Hmmm interesting story that rang the parallel bell. I spent 20 years playing in bands and smoking cannabis, but never graduated to anyhting heavier, though it was offered for free on dozens of occasions. I too had to have my spliff at every tea break and 6 in the evening, but stopped after collapsing one evening. I guess it depends on the individuals recognition of 'one step beyond having fun'.
A shame AW wasn't intelligent/aware enough to recognise it in herself.
My sympathy goes to her friends and family, though I'm sure the vultures are already gathering to plunder the gilded den.
 
mercedes said:
Hmmm interesting story that rang the parallel bell. I spent 20 years playing in bands and smoking cannabis, but never graduated to anyhting heavier, though it was offered for free on dozens of occasions. I too had to have my spliff at every tea break and 6 in the evening, but stopped after collapsing one evening. I guess it depends on the individuals recognition of 'one step beyond having fun'.
A shame AW wasn't intelligent/aware enough to recognise it in herself.
My sympathy goes to her friends and family, though I'm sure the vultures are already gathering to plunder the gilded den.
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Indeed.
I was lucky (as you were I guess) that I/we got that kick up the arse.

Just gotta quit the fags now. Been saying that ever since I gave the drugs up :D
 
does anyone know if the bookie odds on Pete Doherty seeing christmas are up or down this year?
 
Excellent? What's excellent about it? Pity people just can't say "No", "I don't want drugs. I,m not that stupid, now go away and f up your own life." There's is no excuses. Full stop.:(
 
Because life isn't that easy for some people. Not everyone has the strength of will and character to realise where one 'I'll just try it' will lead.

Look at the amount of smokers that's living living/dead proof of that.
 
something will kill us in the end, whether it be a car...drugs...or an internal cause (to name some examples), but is it really a big surprise?

I will ask the same question as I have on facebook and got some very interesting answers....
"If she was not famous, her death wouldn't have even hit the news, in fact it would be regarded as 'another druggie dead', but which story should receive the most media attention and people's sympathy? Amy Winehouse dies OR 93 people killed in Norway OR the number of lives our soldiers have lost fighting wars not only for our liberty and freedom but for others as well?"

Sorry if I am harsh, but I really don't think media coverage of a public vigil outside her flat is worthy of watching.
 
AndyJ1980 said:
something will kill us in the end, whether it be a car...drugs...or an internal cause (to name some examples), but is it really a big surprise?

I will ask the same question as I have on facebook and got some very interesting answers....
"If she was not famous, her death wouldn't have even hit the news, in fact it would be regarded as 'another druggie dead', but which story should receive the most media attention and people's sympathy? Amy Winehouse dies OR 93 people killed in Norway OR the number of lives our soldiers have lost fighting wars not only for our liberty and freedom but for others as well?"

Sorry if I am harsh, but I really don't think media coverage of a public vigil outside her flat is worthy of watching.
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Well said. Fully agree
 
Marcel said:
Because life isn't that easy for some people. Not everyone has the strength of will and character to realise where one 'I'll just try it' will lead.

Look at the amount of smokers that's living living/dead proof of that.
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survival of the fittest
 
archamedes said:
survival of the fittest
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Well that's sorted then, let's do away with medical care, social and welfare support and leave it entirely up to nature to deal with those unfortunate individuals who may make the wrong choices. It'll be for the best of our species, and just think of the monetary savings! Heaven forbid we have some human compassion and utilise our own capacity to help each other! :cuckoo:
 
TriggerHappy said:
Well that's sorted then, let's do away with medical care, social and welfare support and leave it entirely up to nature to deal with those unfortunate individuals who may make the wrong choices. It'll be for the best of our species, and just think of the monetary savings! Heaven forbid we have some human compassion and utilise our own capacity to help each other! :cuckoo:
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If I do not have any compassion for her or any other druggie then let me explain why. I lost my dad to cancer in 2002. He didn't ask for it, he didn't deserve it and he was denied a 2nd chance. He was the greatest man ever and did anything for anyone, if someone deserved a second chance and to recover from that it was him. I also recently lost both my cousins, one had an asthma attack and the other (her younger brother) was a victim of a car accident, again young life taken away through no fault of their own and denied a 2nd chance. My poor uncle not only lost all his brothers my dad and my other uncle who fell down the stairs and broke his neck after spending 30 years in the RAF and only spent 6 weeks as a civillian from joining the raf at 16. but he also lost both his children too and really is having a bad time of things, we all are and we feel like our family is dropping like flies due to illness and accidents, Not to mention last week I heard news that a close friend of mine who I grw up with and went to school with, died in Afghanistan, he didnt get any media attention or special treatment and he is fighting for this country. So unless you have suffered a massive loss of family life through illness that cannot be prevented you may be less lenient towards people that abuse the lives they have been given and ignore chance after chance to save themselves. So I'm sorry if i feel bitter or uncaring towards Amy Whitehouse and others like her, because they have wasted or thrown their lives away when they had ample oppertunity to turn it around and make it worth living. She had been given many 2nd chances with rehab and other recovery process's yet chose to turn her nose up at them, even to the point where she even made a depressing song about refusing rehab, which says it all really.

So yeah I probably come across as a very bitter, stone hearted person, but you only get to trully appreciate life when you have suffered so much loss and upset

And those who claim she was inspirational, she was the sort of inspiration that I DON'T want my kids to emulate.
 
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archamedes said:
If I do not have any compassion for her or any other druggie then let me explain why. I lost my dad to cancer in 2002. He didn't ask for it, he didn't deserve it and he was denied a 2nd chance. He was the greatest man ever and did anything for anyone, if someone deserved a second chance and to recover from that it was him. I also recently lost both my cousins, one had an asthma attack and the other (her younger brother) was a victim of a car accident, again young life taken away through no fault of their own and denied a 2nd chance. My poor uncle not only lost all his brothers my dad and my other uncle who fell down the stairs and broke his neck after spending 30 years in the RAF and only spent 6 weeks as a civillian from joining the raf at 16. but he also lost both his children too and really is having a bad time of things, we all are and we feel like our family is dropping like flies due to illness and accidents, Not to mention last week I heard news that a close friend of mine who I grw up with and went to school with, died in Afghanistan. So unless you have suffered a massive loss of family life through illness that cannot be prevented you may be less lenient towards people that abuse the lives they have been given and ignore chance after chance to save themselves. So I'm sorry if i feel bitter or uncaring towards Amy Whitehouse and others like her, because they have wasted or thrown their lives away when they had ample oppertunity to turn it around and make it worth living. She had been given many 2nd chances with rehab and other recovery process's yet chose to turn her nose up at them, even to the point where she even made a depressing song about refusing rehab, which says it all really.
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I feel for you and you are spot on with all you have said.
 
andy_fozzy said:
I was well and truely addicted to Cannabis, even though apparantly it's not addictive............
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Its not medically/clinically addictive - but it can be psychologically addictive - as you've discovered - as can many other things which is why you get sex addicts, internet addicts, cafeine addicts etc.

I do know where you're coming from tho , I had a bit of a blip when I was at university - my long term girlfreind was killed (she was irish and got blown up by the IRA during the holidays) and in coping (or rather not coping) with the greiving process i went from being a straight A student on track to a first who only drank in moderation , to a self destructive mess on track to getting kicked out - coke, booze, draw, speed, one night stands, etc if it was going to block out the pain then i gave it a spin - I'm just thankful that i never had the opportunity to try anything medically addicitive like crack or horse.

Eventually it took failing most of my second year exams to give me a wake up call and I did eventually get my head straight though it took some good mates, a fair bit of counselling and a lot of self control to give the drugs and drink the push - and I eventually scraped a lower second and got on with my life (and 19 years later i'm married and in a senior management position - neither of which looked possible in the black year of 91-92)

So I look at something like amy winehouse dying I have a fair dose of ,' there but for the grace of god ' and while its easy to say she should have got clean - its much easier to say than it is to do.
 
She didn't have a disease, and could have stopped drugs at any time she wanted. If anything her failure to get clean with the resources she had at her disposal is shameful. Worse still you had/have impressionable dumb teenagers using her and Pete Doherty as role models and something to aspire to.
 
archamedes said:
survival of the fittest
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But in being that hard you have condemned those who you lost.

Singer, famous whatever. Someone has lost their daughter, friend etc. to a terrible disease way too young. Whether she is famous or not that is not the point, compassion should not be reserved for those you deem worthy.
 
Laudrup said:
She didn't have a disease, and could have stopped drugs at any time she wanted.
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and in posting that it shows your complete ignorance of drug addiction. It would do you well to read the blog posted earlier in this thread, not that it will change your mind, but to see it from another perspective.
 
Another thing do you really think kids (well obviously they are all dumb) see Pete Doherty strung out, in and out of court and prison and go "I wanna do that, where do I get some Smack round 'ere?"

The Stones were never good role models, Elvis, The Beatles, Velvet Underground. Oliver Read, Keith Moon, even CS Lewis has his demons,the list goes on. The idolising of drug addled rock stars is not an invention of this generation no matter how hard some try to convince you otherwise.
 
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