All the new Sony Stuff!

5n looks almost exactly the same but with touchscreen and I'm guess same sensor as the C3?
I'd like to see the NEX 7 size compared to the G3, EP3. I bought my Pen for the size advantage more than anything else, NEX 7 looks like you might be as well with a small DSLR.
 
Slightly worried about the early images from the A77 at higher ISO's. There's noise apparent as well as loss of detail. :shake:

I really hope, as it seems, Sony haven't concentrated too much on the video part of the A77. I'm going to wait for reviews and RAW image samples. At the moment though, I'm leaning against not buying. High ISO performance was a massive factor for me. I didn't want the A77 to be worse than the A580 at high ISO! :|
 
Nex 7 + Leica M glass + peaking in the OVF = win. Really liking what Sony have announced today.
 
Jessops have them all listed on their website for pre-order
 
SussexBlue said:
Jessops have them all listed on their website for pre-order
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Yep prices here:

NEX7 Body Only: £999.95
A77 Body Only: £1179.95
A65 Body Only: £ 799.95

A77 & 16-50: £1679.95
NEX7 & 18-55: £1149.95

I think I'd rather have the A65 for £200 less than the NEX!

Also bundling with the 18-55, doe we really think that lens is going to do the 24mp sensor justice?
 
Fozzybear said:
Slightly worried about the early images from the A77 at higher ISO's. There's noise apparent as well as loss of detail. :shake:
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The examples I've seem so far have all been OOC jpgs. It reminds me of the early a850 reviews that concluded that noise was a problem over ISO 400! Shooting in RAW, and using a 3rd party app, gives me usable results up to ISO2000.

I also note the cameras that were used to compare with the a77 samples. A 1d, pentax 645 etc. If the conclusion is your getting near 1d performance at a fraction of the cost then that'll do for me.

The only thing I'm disappointed about is the price. Was hoping for the rumored £1000 body-only. Looks like it'll be £1200+ initially.
 
Have you got a straight link to the higher ISO images?? The dpreview gallery is painfully slow.

I still think £1200 for a camera of that level is a bargain. You'd pay £3k+ for it with a canikon badge!!

The one below, the A65 is only £800.
 
Yeah was so hoping it would be cheaper than £1000 but as usual good old Britian will rip us off.Well I better get saving I suppose.:'(
 
I have to say the NEX-7 looks a very attractive proposition - it's exactly what I've been waiting for Sony to do.

If it lives up to its promise, it could well tempt me over from m43 as a digital body for my FD lenses.
 
Fozzybear said:
Slightly worried about the early images from the A77 at higher ISO's. There's noise apparent as well as loss of detail. :shake:
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they are shooting jpeg & certainly most sites mention pre-production firmware.
Plus I want to see comparisons against 7D & D7000 & not FF or MF bodies!
Hopefully retail standard will be better - I just hope that Sony haven't made the same mistake as with the A700 where it got canned in early reviews because of the firmware. Later firmware of course proved it to be an excellent body but the damage had already been done ...

As for pricing unless the yen keeps appreciating wait a few months & the street prices will have dropped substantially.
 
Rich said:
The body looks really impressive. I think its expensive though and the Lens lineup is generally disapointing by all accounts. They need to do something about Lens size too.
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Price is about right, I think the 700 was around the same when it came out, there may be some specials around just before or after xmas.
Whats wrong with Sony's lens line up, not forgetting you have access to all the minolta af glass as well and what do you mean need to do something about lens size ???
 
SussexBlue said:
Whats wrong with Sony's lens line up, not forgetting you have access to all the minolta af glass as well and what do you mean need to do something about lens size ???
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Obviously they need to make a stretched 300 f/2.8 to have a 400 f/4 or 500 f/4.5...:D
 
think that he's talking about E-mount? Mind you with the new adapter you can use all Alpha mount incl. screw-drive on E.
 
Faldrax said:
Obviously they need to make a stretched 300 f/2.8 to have a 400 f/4 or 500 f/4.5...:D
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with the new 16-50/2.8 & the 500/4 whenever it finally gets released at least for APS-C it will be a pretty decent line-up.
Could use a better wa zoom than the 11-18, long macro & some TS but it's not as if those aren't already available 3rd party.
 
SussexBlue said:
Price is about right, I think the 700 was around the same when it came out, there may be some specials around just before or after xmas.
Whats wrong with Sony's lens line up, not forgetting you have access to all the minolta af glass as well and what do you mean need to do something about lens size ???
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I assumed he was talking about the NEX. If so, it's fair comment to say that the E mount lineup is limited. However, it's a great platform for manual lenses, with various mounts, and let's not forget how the new NEX's support manual focussing.

On the a77 price, I'd agree it's fair. But the rumour was that it would be priced at the Canon 60d level, which would have been a massive selling point. It looks to be good value at £1200, but would've been a complete steal at £1000. If Sony are still in "user-grabbing mode" (they should be) then a slightly lower price might generate a lot of additional sales.

It'll be interesting to see what street prices settle at in 6 months time.
 
Isn't it somewhat compromising the 'compact' aspect of the camera if you jam a gigantic A mount lens on the NEX? Will they do any pancake lenses or can you use an adapter to fit something a bit more ergonomic?
 
I've been eagerly waiting for the NEX-7. However the price has totally put me off. At £1000 it's priced at a similar level to the 7D, so no contest here.

If you read the DP blurb it says with the Zeiss 24mm f1.8 it is going against the X100. On paper maybe but when you add the price of the NEX-7 with the Zeiss lens your talking £2000!!! Which is twice the price. So again, no contest here.
 
Laudrup said:
Will they do any pancake lenses or can you use an adapter to fit something a bit more ergonomic?
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there is already the 16/2.8, supposedly Tamron & Sigma were making some stuff for E-mount & it will take virtually anything via adapter if you are happy with MF (peaking is supposed to be very useful).
 
I was talking about the NEX-7. It is too expensive, its price cuts right into very nice DSLR money. I don't think there is enough of a market for it at that price point so I would expect price cuts. I am definitely still very interested in it, I just don't think there are any stand-out lenses in the lineup. I mean, look at M4/3. Panasonic 20mm, 100-300, 14-140, Oly 12mm, Oly 9-18, 45, Pan 7-14 all really top notch lenses and some of them are very small. Sony doesnt have anything close. The 16mm is the closest I guess but I'm not seeing any superlatives being thrown around about it. The Zeiss is too big (approx 4x the size of the Panny 20mm) and is £1000.
The A Series adapter is cool but too big. Its pointless having a small camera if you are going to lug that thing around.
The whole deal with Mirrorless is to get the size down without too much of a compromise on image quality and I'm just not seeing it at the moment with Sony. I do very much love that Body though :lol:
 
Rich said:
I was talking about the NEX-7. It is too expensive, its price cuts right into very nice DSLR money. I don't think there is enough of a market for it at that price point so I would expect price cuts. I am definitely still very interested in it, I just don't think there are any stand-out lenses in the lineup. I mean, look at M4/3. Panasonic 20mm, 100-300, 14-140, Oly 12mm, Oly 9-18, 45, Pan 7-14 all really top notch lenses and some of them are very small. Sony doesnt have anything close. The 16mm is the closest I guess but I'm not seeing any superlatives being thrown around about it. The Zeiss is too big (approx 4x the size of the Panny 20mm) and is £1000.
The A Series adapter is cool but too big. Its pointless having a small camera if you are going to lug that thing around.
The whole deal with Mirrorless is to get the size down without too much of a compromise on image quality and I'm just not seeing it at the moment with Sony. I do very much love that Body though :lol:
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+1... that's my thoughts exactly.. Whole point of the nex is the small size, but as far as I can tell, there aren't any small compact lenses to compliment that body.

Especially if you are buying this as a second body to an slr, I'd much rather have an olympus or panasonic with a pancake lens...

But, nex-7 itself looks like a nice bit of kit :D I wish they had compact lenses to match it...
 
Luminous Landscape have a review of the a77 and 16-50 lens (pre production) As always I will wait and see what prices are like a few months down the line. The a77 is really looking serious now in that price bracket. I look forward to seeing a multi review done between Canon, Nikon and Sony. I can only wonder what Canon and Nikon have up there sleeves, if someone like sony can pull this out, things can only get better. I have a host of fd lenses I want to use on a digital body, the nex 7 looks ideal, apart from the price. The lens line up for the nex system can only get stronger, and imo Sony are not going to release a £1000 compact system camera and leave it as is, I think exciting times are ahead for sony users and the future of the compact system camera.
 
michael23 said:
Luminous Landscape have a review of the a77 and 16-50 lens (pre production) As always I will wait and see what prices are like a few months down the line. The a77 is really looking serious now in that price bracket. I look forward to seeing a multi review done between Canon, Nikon and Sony. I can only wonder what Canon and Nikon have up there sleeves, if someone like sony can pull this out, things can only get better. I have a host of fd lenses I want to use on a digital body, the nex 7 looks ideal, apart from the price. The lens line up for the nex system can only get stronger, and imo Sony are not going to release a £1000 compact system camera and leave it as is, I think exciting times are ahead for sony users and the future of the compact system camera.
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I definitely hope so. The body is awesome, would be great to see some better glass to go with it. Something in the model of the 20mm Panny and maybe a nice Wide Angle like the 9-18.
 
Rich said:
I definitely hope so. The body is awesome, would be great to see some better glass to go with it. Something in the model of the 20mm Panny and maybe a nice Wide Angle like the 9-18.
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NEX lenses (being APS-C) are always going to be bigger than m4/3 equivalents. The point of the NEX line is small size AND dslr image quality. It's not just about size, or they would've put an m4/3 sensor in it.
 
I think the NEX-7 + M-mount lenses (+ adapter) + focus peaking = a very interesting package! A competitor for Leica's M8, I'd say. The NEX-7 might not have rangefinder focusing, but with a newer sensor and a slew of useful features I know which I'd choose to spend my money on.
 
DigitalRelish said:
I think the NEX-7 + M-mount lenses (+ adapter) + focus peaking = a very interesting package! A competitor for Leica's M8, I'd say. The NEX-7 might not have rangefinder focusing, but with a newer sensor and a slew of useful features I know which I'd choose to spend my money on.
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It is certainly going the right way for M glass. I would rather wait till they get at least 1.3x or FF sensor in one; not that I could afford it or any of the Leica M lenses.

It does certainly look very useful for the big fat L monsters from FD days, like 300mm f/2.8 and bigger (on tripod or monopod obviously). I take it they have MF sorted with the latest generation.
 
Diadem said:
Not all that impressed with the new sensor in the A77/Nex-7.

The D7000 and 60D easily out perform it in quality. never mind the fact that the sensor out resolves pretty much all lenses you could put on it.

http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/AA77/AA77A.HTM
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Don't really agree with you.
a) those images are on pre-production firmware
b) using their Comparometer at ISO6400 (the most that I would ever use & that rarely) the 7D & A77 look very similar to me apart from colour.
The D7000 looks slightly better at 1:1 but also noticeably smaller - down res'ing the A77 to a 16Mp equivalent would close the gap.
& the sensor may well do better on the NEX-7 which won't have the extra mirror in the image path.
c) nor do I agree that the sensor outresolves pretty much all the lenses & hopefully if you are paying £1000 for a body you are putting reasonable glass with it.
& if it does so what? Either the sensor outresolves the lens or the lens outresolves the sensor but you still have a limiting factor.
Imo better to have a sensor that can take full advantage of the glass than one that can't.
 
Diadem said:
Not all that impressed with the new sensor in the A77/Nex-7.

The D7000 and 60D easily out perform it in quality. never mind the fact that the sensor out resolves pretty much all lenses you could put on it.

http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/AA77/AA77A.HTM
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I've not seen a side by side comparison with either camera, but there's a reasonable comparison with the a55 in the Sony DPR forum. Based on that, and the current DxOmark scores, I'd say the 24mp sensor looks to be marginally better than the 16mp but not by much. Considering that the 16mp is pretty much the best aps-c on the market right now, and that 16 to 24 is such an increase in pixels, I'd say that's quite an achievement.

Im not in the Market for an a77 level APS-c cam anyway, but if I was I'd wait to see how DxO score the sensor. I expect it'll get an overall score slightly above the a55 (73), but possibly slightly below the a580 and D7000 (both 80) because of the light loss from the fixed mirror. If it scores less than the 60D (66). Then I'll gladly eat my words.
 
It does make me wonder why Sony went for more pixels as opposed to bigger pixels for better low light performance?
 
DigitalRelish said:
It does make me wonder why Sony went for more pixels as opposed to bigger pixels for better low light performance?
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The standard "update/upgrade" these days seems to be a higher MP count and a bigger or better screen so I suppose we shouldn't be that surprised but looking at the initial reviews these cameras do look impressive and I think that they actually look good too.

I'm not in the market for a new DSLR either but if I was just buying into a system today I think that Sony would be pretty near the top of my list.
 
DigitalRelish said:
It does make me wonder why Sony went for more pixels as opposed to bigger pixels for better low light performance?
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well, the Mp wars are still on but they appear to have matched the best previous APS-C upto ISO6400 but added a hefty Mp increase. I wonder what % of APS-C users regularly use more than ISO6400?
Perhaps they have a new FF low-light monster coming next year?
Also, for video on these cameras they have switched to an electronic image stabilisation system rather than shifting the sensor - I suspect that smaller pixels helps with that.
 
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