A fair cop

Keebsuk said:
It’s sounds like you are driving a DAF Variomatic!
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Its the Irish version, I pull the "Stick" back to go forward and push it forward to go back :thinking:
 
Cobra said:
My car only has 2 one for forward and the other for backwards I feel cheated :(
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You couldn't cope with more, you'd be a menace on the road :eek::rolleyes:o_O
 
Always seemed odd to me too! At least mine has a dial rather than a stick (and flappy paddles for play time.) The original s***box (Clio with the automatic manual box) was more logical - forward for forward (then upshift) and back for downshifts with a dogleg and backward pull for reverse.
 
Nod said:
At least mine has a dial rather than a stick
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I'm not sure I'd like that tbh.

Nod said:
and flappy paddles for play time.
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Nudge stick left or right for down one or up one, which is also a bit of a pita as I rest my hand on in, and its only a slight movement.
That's how I discovered it'd shift down at a highly illegal speed btw :D
 
Cobra said:
I'm not sure I'd like that tbh.


Nudge stick left or right for down one or up one, which is also a bit of a pita as I rest my hand on in, and its only a slight movement.
That's how I discovered it'd shift down at a highly illegal speed btw :D
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It's my first auto so had no preconceptions as to how it should feel. Still PRNDS (going clockwise) and the theatre of the knob rising [fnar, fnar] out of the binnacle as the vents open on the dash STILL amuses me nearly 5 years later!
The s***box A-Class has similar left/right nudges for down/up but it's almost purely used in town so rarely gets played with. Mrs Nod's has no manual option beyond the old fashioned 2,3,4 "keep down to this gear" options and that usually only gets used under bridges (with a hefty dose of right foot!)
 
Nod said:
and that usually only gets used under bridges (with a hefty dose of right foot!)
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Thats what bridges are for? right?
:D
 
tarric said:
So if I've got this right you compered apples with oranges, why not 28mph and 30mph in both fourth and fifth and similarly for 38mph and 40mph in both fifth and sixth to see what the respective mpg is, also did you conduct these tests in town or on the open roads out with built up areas, as I would be interested in knowing where. If in town can you tell me which one because I have yet to find any town that I could drive round at a constant speed in order to conduct an accurate test as described. If on the open road then surely driving at these sort of speeds you would have been driving in a way as to inconvenience other road users. If however these tests were conducted on a test track then they would have been as useful as manufacturers advertised mpg in real world driving situations.
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No you've got it wrong. The engine labours at 28mph in 5th and 38th mph in 6th which is my point. Both tests were done on a country road with no traffic to inconvenience. Cruise control was switched on to keep speed constant on each run.
Not sure why you would think the test results would be worthless if done on a test track, they would still be relative.
 
Steeps said:
The issue with emissions isn't about how much MPG your car can get but how clean the fuel burn is. If I drove around town doing 38 in 6th (petrol) my on board MPG reader will probably tell me I'm doing awesome in the intervals it reads but in reality the ECU will be struggling with the fuel mix, the cat will be dropping in temp and what comes out the back will be more harmful than if I was doing it in 5th. It's another reason why Diesel is bad for city driving because their filters clog up if they don't do enough warm mileage driving and they have to do a regen cycle (throw extra fuel through the system) to burn it out.

I don't mind if someone is doing 2-3mph slower than the limit, afterall it is a limit not a target. But if you're doing 42 in a 60 which seems to be very common (especially when the HGV speed limit is now 50 so really there's no excuse) then that is something that needs to be looked into.

Once got pulled for doing 60 in a 60, apparently just because my car is capable of it doesn't mean I should do it (nice twisty roads!)
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Unless the engines map has been poorly calibrated, there is no reason why an ecu will be struggling with fuel mix. unless the car is running at wide open throttle the cat temp remains fairly stable regardless of whether you are in 5th or 6th. At 38mph the road has to be flat or on a decline for my engine not to start labouring, at 40 it can take inclines with ease so long as they are not too steep, plus the car pulls with ease should I accelerate and I don't have to drop to 5th to do so.
 
Probably depends on how the emissions devices are set up in the car. Mine had 2 cats, one within the manifold close to the engine with the sensors to monitor air-fuel mix then a secondary "catch all" further down. The first cat was so restrictive to help emissions that it killed all midrange torque so the only way to accelerate without WOT would be to drop it down a gear, it would labour the engine doing 38 in 5th. The car is capable of passing an MOT with just a single cat so I had one removed, car now cruises in a higher gear due to increased power, mpg is better but I'm probably killing baby penguins somewhere even though the car passes emissions tests.
 
Sounds like an over the top set up. It could have been a set up for a country with more stringent emissions regulations and some manufacturers work on a one size fits all basis rather than fitting different equipment for differing markets. The fact that you would have to drop a gear would increase emissions at that point anyway and would offset some of the lower emissions when in the higher gear. I would say the set up on your car was probably to get it through the emissions test in a lower tax bracket. I would imagine in the "real world " emissions testing, your car would struggle to have got a comparable result as in the lab tests. With only one cat and not having to work the engine so hard I would imagine it would be better as a whole and why your car can still easily pass the emissions test in the MOT.
 
46 in a 40 is harsh. What's that? 2mph over the guidelines for stopping someone?
 
foxbat said:
46 in a 40 is harsh. What's that? 2mph over the guidelines for stopping someone?
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But how much leeway do you expect? Whilst it's only 2mph over the guideline, it's still 6mph over the actual limit.

A workmate went on a speed awareness course on Friday, he was told they no longer operate the 10% tolerance.
 
The tolerance varies from force to force.

Sussex seem to be one of the more tolerant ...... lucky for me! :D
 
It should be as close to zero tolerance as the equipment calibration so 42 in a 40 if it can be done. Only when people have to really have to pay attention will we end make inroads into stupid speed on roads.
 
Mr Bump said:
It should be as close to zero tolerance as the equipment calibration so 42 in a 40 if it can be done. Only when people have to really have to pay attention will we end make inroads into stupid speed on roads.
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The problem is varying air pressure in tyres and depth of tyre tread can alter the cars speed. So really a zero tolerance shouldn't really be permissible.
 
nilagin said:
The problem is varying air pressure in tyres and depth of tyre tread can alter the cars speed. So really a zero tolerance shouldn't really be permissible.
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you said to me that 2mph under the limit was a lot but 2 mile an hour above is to tight?
whats it going to be?
 
Mr Bump said:
you said to me that 2mph under the limit was a lot but 2 mile an hour above is to tight?
whats it going to be?
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I didn't say that at all. What I said was at 28mph in 4th gear, a car will be using more fuel and producing higher emissions than it would at 30mph when you can drive in 5th without the engine labouring. The same goes for 38mph in 5th gear and 40mph in 6th gear.
 
nilagin said:
I didn't say that at all. What I said was at 28mph in 4th gear, a car will be using more fuel and producing higher emissions than it would at 30mph when you can drive in 5th without the engine labouring. The same goes for 38mph in 5th gear and 40mph in 6th gear.
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you just make this up, you should apply for the dogs job in blue peter.
 
Mr Bump said:
you just make this up, you should apply for the dogs job in blue peter.
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I don't make anything up, you however seem to make everything up, including claiming people have said/written something when they haven't.
 
Mr Bump said:
you just make this up, you should apply for the dogs job in blue peter.
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IIRC, you should probably ask @nilagin where he does actually work, if my memory is correct he probably has more knowledge on this subject than you (or most of the contributors on this thread, and I include myself in that).
 
Dave1 said:
IIRC, you should probably ask @nilagin where he does actually work, if my memory is correct he probably has more knowledge on this subject than you (or most of the contributors on this thread, and I include myself in that).
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I know exactly where he works for ford and he is an admitted petrol head I think is the word. I also see his attitude to speed is related to that by his posts.
 
Mr Bump said:
I know exactly where he works for ford and he is an admitted petrol head I think is the word. I also see his attitude to speed is related to that by his posts.
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Oh pray tell. What is my attitude to speed?
 
Mr Bump said:
I know exactly where he works for ford
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So in the interest of balance, maybe you could confirm your qualifications and experience in the field? (As you say he is making things up you must be qualified in some way to come to that conclusion).
 
Dave1 said:
So in the interest of balance, maybe you could confirm your qualifications and experience in the field? (As you say he is making things up you must be qualified in some way to come to that conclusion).
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I fear his only qualification is in making things up. Tell a lie he may have another. He likes to dig deep holes. Reading and comprehension certainly doesn't seem to be a strong point.
 
I'm glad I dropped in on this thread, its much more fun than the EU one.
 
Just to let you all know, I cant get time off as its our busiest period so have opted for the fixed penalty, £100 and 3 points.................ah well at least I have 3 point which is more than Leeds UTD seem to be able to get just lately haha
 
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