A fair cop

nilagin said:
On a multi lane road it doesn't matter so much unless of course you are travelling slower than lorries meaning they are going to be overtaking and then backing up the traffic and causing congestion. If you'r going to be driving at 25-28 in a 30 chances are you will be using more fuel and more pollution than at 30 when you could be in a higher gear. Your car may just manage 28 in the higher gear but chances are the engine will be on the border of labouring so you wouldn't doing the engine any favours.
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Of the cars i have driven of recent (mix of 5 and 6 speed boxes) just under 30 is achievable in 4th without labouring the engine.
Its rare for me to use 5th/6th at 28-30mph unless its a dead flat road with little in the way of obstacles that force you to change your momentum/direction.
Thats my driving style but others will do things differently.
 
stupar said:
Of the cars i have driven of recent (mix of 5 and 6 speed boxes) just under 30 is achievable in 4th without labouring the engine.
Its rare for me to use 5th/6th at 28-30mph unless its a dead flat road with little in the way of obstacles that force you to change your momentum/direction.
Thats my driving style but others will do things differently.
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For the last 25 years, probably a lot more, regardless of 5 or 6 years. All can easily drive in 5th at 30 mph. It would have to be a fairly steep incline to have to drop into 4th.
 
nilagin said:
For the last 25 years, probably a lot more, regardless of 5 or 6 years. All can easily drive in 5th at 30 mph. It would have to be a fairly steep incline to have to drop into 4th.
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Where I drive there is no long flat straights. Edinburgh and the surrounding areas are loaded with gradients, traffic lights and roundabouts to name just a few scenarios. Its just not practical to drive in 5th whether the car can do it or not.
That aside though if I wish to drive at up to 30mph in 4th and you wish to do it in 5th does not make either of us wrong, it's just a driving style that we have adopted to suit
 
stupar said:
Where I drive there is no long flat straights. Edinburgh and the surrounding areas are loaded with gradients, traffic lights and roundabouts to name just a few scenarios. Its just not practical to drive in 5th whether the car can do it or not.
That aside though if I wish to drive at up to 30mph in 4th and you wish to do it in 5th does not make either of us wrong, it's just a driving style that we have adopted to suit
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spot on mate this country is getting very boring with the car brigade constantly trying to force their opinions on the chilled out law abiding people like me.
me and the mouse wife went over to Macclesfield on Saturday for an evening with friends and there and back just people at full tilt everywhere.
driving down the last bit of the A34 where is mixes 30/40 constantly people flying past in their black Germanic diesel missiles, just a loads of dull really.
 
stupar said:
Where I drive there is no long flat straights. Edinburgh and the surrounding areas are loaded with gradients, traffic lights and roundabouts to name just a few scenarios. Its just not practical to drive in 5th whether the car can do it or not.
That aside though if I wish to drive at up to 30mph in 4th and you wish to do it in 5th does not make either of us wrong, it's just a driving style that we have adopted to suit
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I lived outside Glasgow for a few years and all the country roads are 60 but most of them anything faster than 40 and it was very iffy.
I was allways surprised when I made the trek down back to Yorkshire how idiotic the driving was.
 
Mr Bump said:
spot on mate this country is getting very boring with the car brigade constantly trying to force their opinions on the chilled out law abiding people like me.
me and the mouse wife went over to Macclesfield on Saturday for an evening with friends and there and back just people at full tilt everywhere.
driving down the last bit of the A34 where is mixes 30/40 constantly people flying past in their black Germanic diesel missiles, just a loads of dull really.
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for me it is an age thing, when young I felt the need to get everywhere quick. Now, I don't feel the need to drive on the limit as much as I can, I am happy to kick back under the limit but still doing what is called "making progress"
 
I am perfectly happy for people to travel at whatever speed they wish (within reason, obviously!) :)

Not so keen on the constant bickering and "holier than thou attitudes" though ..... :rolleyes:
 
stupar said:
Where I drive there is no long flat straights. Edinburgh and the surrounding areas are loaded with gradients, traffic lights and roundabouts to name just a few scenarios. Its just not practical to drive in 5th whether the car can do it or not.
That aside though if I wish to drive at up to 30mph in 4th and you wish to do it in 5th does not make either of us wrong, it's just a driving style that we have adopted to suit
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If the gradients etc. mean you can't change up to 5th fair enough. But if you can and you don't, you are wasting fuel and your emissions are higher. Is it any wonder towns and cities are high emissions zones if people are driving in the wrong gear?
 
nilagin said:
If the gradients etc. mean you can't change up to 5th fair enough. But if you can and you don't, you are wasting fuel and your emissions are higher. Is it any wonder towns and cities are high emissions zones if people are driving in the wrong gear?
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towns and cities are full of smog because people are driving the wrong vehicles and you know that.
 
Mr Bump said:
I'm much happier and more relaxed though.
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And I'm willing to bet totally oblivious to the majority of other road users. You're always harping on about the environment and dirty diesels yet your driving is likely preventing them from changing up a gear and reducing their emissions. But what would you care, you are in front of them.
 
Mr Bump said:
towns and cities are full of smog because people are driving the wrong vehicles and you know that.
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But if they could travel faster and in a higher gear they would produce lower emissions. You obviously don't know that.
 
nilagin said:
And I'm willing to bet totally oblivious to the majority of other road users. You're always harping on about the environment and dirty diesels yet your driving is likely preventing them from changing up a gear and reducing their emissions. But what would you care, you are in front of them.
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obeying the law and being less anti social towards people living in and around areas is more important to me than saving a few % on emissions.
 
Tigger.ufo said:
I am perfectly happy for people to travel at whatever speed they wish (within reason, obviously!) :)
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Wouldn't it be nice though if they drove at a constant speed? A11 duel ( yes I did type that :D ) carriageway in a 5 mile stretch, cruise set at *cough* 70 mph, and as the road was fairly quiet
easily maintainable. I did however over take the same Audi A3 4 times :D

And the woman that I slowly gained on, she must have been doing 70 or maybe a touch under, so pulled out to over take,
yes she put her foot down, no need for it, there was nothing in front that she needed to "worry" abut over taking.
So I nudged the cruise up a couple of mph, and she increased speed too :D

In the interestes of research, I wondered how fast she would actually go,
So there we were side by side going somewhat increasingly faster than the national speed limit,
I, still on her outside, glanced across at her ( thats how I knew it was female) and nodded in the direction of the speedo,
Her face was a picture! I think her brakes got a bit warm too at that point :D
Why? just why? ....
 
Mr Bump said:
obeying the law and being less anti social towards people living in and around areas is more important to me than saving a few % on emissions.
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Except of course if you’re driving significantly below the speed limit you aren’t obeying the law...
 
Dave1 said:
Except of course if you’re driving significantly below the speed limit you aren’t obeying the law...
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You're not breaking it either, as driving slowly isn't, of itself, an offence.
Yes you can have other offences levelled at you due to driving dangerously slowly, but not often are those applied.
 
Cobra said:
Wouldn't it be nice though if they drove at a constant speed? A11 duel ( yes I did type that :D ) carriageway in a 5 mile stretch, cruise set at *cough* 70 mph, and as the road was fairly quiet
easily maintainable. I did however over take the same Audi A3 4 times :D

And the woman that I slowly gained on, she must have been doing 70 or maybe a touch under, so pulled out to over take,
yes she put her foot down, no need for it, there was nothing in front that she needed to "worry" abut over taking.
So I nudged the cruise up a couple of mph, and she increased speed too :D

In the interestes of research, I wondered how fast she would actually go,
So there we were side by side going somewhat increasingly faster than the national speed limit,
I, still on her outside, glanced across at her ( thats how I knew it was female) and nodded in the direction of the speedo,
Her face was a picture! I think her brakes got a bit warm too at that point :D
Why? just why? ....
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She's probably one of those drivers that comes up from behind in the overtaking lane only to slow and match your speed once alongside, especially when you are fast approaching a car you would like to overtake and now can't. Or my favourite, overtakes pulls over in front only to slow to a speed 5-10mph than you are travelling at.
 
Steve Smith said:
Nonsense. The damage you can do is proportional to the square of the speed.

Kinetic Energy = 1/2 mv2.


Steve.
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Causing damage and driving safely are two different things. If someone can't feel safe driving at the speed limit it begs the question as to whether they are actually safe driving at all.
 
Mr Bump said:
obeying the law and being less anti social towards people living in and around areas is more important to me than saving a few % on emissions.
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Driving at the speed limit is obeying the law, isn't antisocial and allows everyone to drive in the correct gear in 30 and 40mph zones. Unnecessarily increasing your pollution emissions as well as everyone stuck behind
Is antisocial to people living in those areas.
 
viv1969 said:
You're not breaking it either, as driving slowly isn't, of itself, an offence.
Yes you can have other offences levelled at you due to driving dangerously slowly, but not often are those applied.
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Ah, where would we be without Ruth jumping in with her size 10’s?

Driving without reasonable consideration
The offence of driving without reasonable consideration under section 3 of the RTA 1988 is committed only when other persons are inconvenienced by the manner of the defendant's driving, see section 3ZA(4) RTA 1988.

The maximum penalty is a level 5 fine. The court must also either endorse the driver's licence with between 3 and 9 penalty points (unless there are "special reasons" not to do so), or impose disqualification for a fixed period and/or until a driving test has been passed. The penalty is the same as for driving without due care and attention.

A driving without due consideration charge is more appropriate where the inconvenience is aimed at and suffered by other road users.

The following examples are typical of actions likely to be regarded as inconsiderate driving:

  • flashing of lights to force other drivers in front to give way;
  • misuse of any lane (including cycling lanes) to avoid queuing or gain some other advantage over other drivers;
  • unnecessarily remaining in an overtaking lane;
  • unnecessarily slow driving or braking without good cause;
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http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/p_to_r/...ance_on_prosecuting_cases_of_bad_driving/#a30

Though I suppose you’d even argue the point with the CPS...
 
Inconsiderate driving comes in many forms. For me, the single most inconsiderate factor is those who flatly refuse to drive in the near side lane of any dual carriageway or motorway. “Middle lane hoggers” are my pet hate and this style of driving seems to be on the increase![emoji35]

Andy
 
Keebsuk said:
For me, the single most inconsiderate factor is those who flatly refuse to drive in the near side lane of any dual carriageway or motorway.
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Didn't you get the recent memo?
lane 1 Lorry's only
lane 2 mere mortals and those to scared to go to lane 3 or "Mix it up" with the lorry's in lane one.
lane 3 BMW's & Audi drivers only ( this lane is de-restricted you can drive as fast as the guy in front will let you ...

:D
 
Cobra said:
Didn't you get the recent memo?
lane 1 Lorry's only
lane 2 mere mortals and those to scared to go to lane 3 or "Mix it up" with the lorry's in lane one.
lane 3 BMW's & Audi drivers only ( this lane is de-restricted you can drive as fast as the guy in front will let you ...

:D
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Haha! So true!
Sadly some still believe there are “slow, medium and fast” lanes in the motorway or there are those who are far too cool to drive in the “slow” lane! [emoji848][emoji848][emoji848]
 
viv1969 said:
Driving slow is not, of itself, an offence.
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Other than the CPS agreeing that is an offence, and is punishable by £100 + 3 points as an FPN or worse in court, you mean?


But never mind, the whole forum knows your world is a really special place that only works by your rules, no?
 
markyboy.1967 said:
e police said the road was re-classified to the lower limit 1 year before, should have read the signs better and updated my sat nav.
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Satnavs don't always seems to give the correct speed limits when updated, mine does on some roads.

Coming round the M25 on Sunday, was in the middle lane doing just under 70, having moved over to allow an HGV on the slip road to join, idiot in a people carrier type vehicle came flying out behind the lorry, cut me up to get in front, then proceeded to travel at 55, WTF, even after I got past him, he was still sitting in the
middle lane as he disappeared from my view
 
Keebsuk said:
Haha! So true!
Sadly some still believe there are “slow, medium and fast” lanes in the motorway or there are those who are far too cool to drive in the “slow” lane! [emoji848][emoji848][emoji848]
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But there are also those that when on a dual carriageway and want to turn right at the next junction which is about a quarter of a mile away feel it perfectly acceptable to dawdle along at 40mph in the outside lane of a 50mph road. Heaven forbid if there is a set of traffic lights before that right turn too. They will pull away at a snail's pace meaning very few behind them, can also get through the traffic lights.
 
Gremlin said:
Satnavs don't always seems to give the correct speed limits when updated, mine does on some roads.

Coming round the M25 on Sunday, was in the middle lane doing just under 70, having moved over to allow an HGV on the slip road to join, idiot in a people carrier type vehicle came flying out behind the lorry, cut me up to get in front, then proceeded to travel at 55, WTF, even after I got past him, he was still sitting in the
middle lane as he disappeared from my view
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This is something I see on an almost daily basis. Sadly, the standard of driving in the UK is pretty poor nowadays. The roads are swarming by motorists who don’t give a damn as long as they, themselves are ok. Unfortunately, gone are the days of drivers acknowledging others kind conduct with a friendly wave, sad times indeed. [emoji853]
 
Gremlin said:
Satnavs don't always seems to give the correct speed limits when updated, mine does on some roads.

Coming round the M25 on Sunday, was in the middle lane doing just under 70, having moved over to allow an HGV on the slip road to join, idiot in a people carrier type vehicle came flying out behind the lorry, cut me up to get in front, then proceeded to travel at 55, WTF, even after I got past him, he was still sitting in the
middle lane as he disappeared from my view
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Wasn't a Renault Scenic or Citroen Picasso by any chance was It? Especially silver ones, I find drivers of those frequently pulling off such great manoeuvres. That and causing tailbacks as they attempt to overtake lorries at 0.005mph faster.
 
Dave1 said:
Other than the CPS agreeing that is an offence, and is punishable by £100 + 3 points as an FPN or worse in court, you mean?


But never mind, the whole forum knows your world is a really special place that only works by your rules, no?
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Err...no.
Driving without reasonable consideration under section 3 of the RTA 1988 is an offence.
Driving under the speed limit, is not.
Are you a tad hard of understanding?
 
Keebsuk said:
This is something I see on an almost daily basis. Sadly, the standard of driving in the UK is pretty poor nowadays. The roads are swarming by motorists who don’t give a damn as long as they, themselves are ok. Unfortunately, gone are the days of drivers acknowledging others kind conduct with a friendly wave, sad times indeed. [emoji853]
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I will always acknowledge another drivers good conduct. But as you say some people's driving standards are so poor, I am not even sure it's a case of I am alright Jack but more they are totally oblivious to what is actually going on around them.
 
Keebsuk said:
gone are the days of drivers acknowledging others kind conduct with a friendly wave,
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As above the highway code has now been up dated,

1 finger raised as they pull out in front of you = thanks for letting me through a gap that wasn't there.
2 fingers in V formation = I really appreciate you getting me out of that "tight spot" I got into because I was driving like a t***t and can't think for myself
 
nilagin said:
Wasn't a Renault Scenic or Citroen Picasso by any chance was It? Especially silver ones, I find drivers of those frequently pulling off such great manoeuvres. That and causing tailbacks as they attempt to overtake lorries at 0.005mph faster.
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One of those but dark blue driven by a male.


Keebsuk said:
Unfortunately, gone are the days of drivers acknowledging others kind conduct with a friendly wave, sad times indeed.
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Hence me moving over to let the HGV out, easier for me to move then them to try and either accelerate or have to brake to join the motorway
I do find HGV drivers to be courteous most of the time
 
viv1969 said:
Wind your neck in, princess.
Did I post anything incorrect?
Driving slow is not, of itself, an offence.
I'm not arguing with the CPS, because I don't need to, and I'm not arguing with you because, quite frankly, I clearly don't need to.
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There are minimum speed limit signs. It was in my youngest theory test, something I was unaware of.
 
viv1969 said:
Err...no.
Driving without reasonable consideration under section 3 of the RTA 1988 is an offence.
Driving under the speed limit, is not.
Are you a tad hard of understanding?
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I’m sorry but you are wrong. If someone drives so slowly as to cause annoyance/danger to other road users then they have committed the offence of driving without reasonable consideration for other road users. There is a stated case covering this very incidence but I cba to look for it.
 
viv1969 said:
Err...no.
Driving without reasonable consideration under section 3 of the RTA 1988 is an offence.
Driving under the speed limit, is not.
Are you a tad hard of understanding?
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Keebsuk said:
I’m sorry but you are wrong. If someone drives so slowly as to cause annoyance/danger to other road users then they have committed the offence of driving without reasonable consideration for other road users. There is a stated case covering this very incidence but I cba to look for it.
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Sorry but you need to read @viv1969 post again, carefully.

What she has said is factually correct
 
Keebsuk said:
I have seen said signs but they are not a common occurrence. If I remember back to my traffic law days there is a statutory minimum speed limits on the motorway. It should be mentioned in the Highway Code.
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You don't get done for driving slowly, you get done for being a hazard to other drivers, careless driving etc, so viv is technically correct.
 
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