Zoo's good or bad?

Evangelical? Eh? Do you know the meaning of the word? I don't believe in religion of any sort so I don't understand what you mean.
 
htid said:
Evangelical? Eh? Do you know the meaning of the word? I don't believe in religion of any sort so I don't understand what you mean.
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Of course I know what it means. That's why I used it.

I can see that you are a tad confused, but there are several uses of the word.

The form I was using, from the Cambridge Dictionary, is:

  • evangelical adjective (OPINIONS)
› having very strong beliefs and often trying to persuade other people to have the same beliefs:
 
kendo1 said:
Of course I know what it means. That's why I used it.

I can see that you are a tad confused, but there are several uses of the word.

The form I was using, from the Cambridge Dictionary, is:

  • evangelical adjective (OPINIONS)
› having very strong beliefs and often trying to persuade other people to have the same beliefs:
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Fair enough I apologise for saying that and you're right I wasn't aware of another definition.

Yes I hold strong beliefs as we've seen in this thread. The issue of animals being killed is more important to me than most other things in life, but I don't think Ive at any time over the whole however many pages suggested anybody should go vegan. Of course I want everybody too but I don't agree that using the words pain and fear are emotive and I didn't use them to try and persuade you to become vegan as I know it would be futile. It was a simply question and you answered but then said "why should I?" So I assumed you wanted a response.
 
htid said:
Fair enough I apologise for saying that and you're right I wasn't aware of another definition.

Yes I hold strong beliefs as we've seen in this thread. The issue of animals being killed is more important to me than most other things in life, but I don't think Ive at any time over the whole however many pages suggested anybody should go vegan. Of course I want everybody too but I don't agree that using the words pain and fear are emotive and I didn't use them to try and persuade you to become vegan as I know it would be futile. It was a simply question and you answered but then said "why should I?" So I assumed you wanted a response.
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:D
I'm just using emotive language to see your response :) (Vegan baiting)

I have no issues about you choosing the way you live your life, and I have none about how I live mine.
Each to their own...

It has been an interesting discussion. Good to see it hasn't been moved into Hot Topics!
 
I just noticed the stupid apostrophe-plural in the thread title.

So thick.

Vegan baiting would surely happen in a pit, surrounded by jeering bacon rashers ...
 
Ulfric M Douglas said:
I just noticed the stupid apostrophe-plural in the thread title.

So thick.

Vegan baiting would surely happen in a pit, surrounded by jeering bacon rashers ...
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Just to make clear I didn't start the thread, it was created by @Cobra so don't blame me for that, I know better ;) Cobra can you change it please, everybody is laughing at me :(
 
Ulfric M Douglas said:
I just noticed the stupid apostrophe-plural in the thread title.
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I supose it could be an abreviation apostrophe since Zoo is short for Zoological Garden ... but i agree its more likely that the snake made a mistake (would that be a misnake ?)
 
big soft moose said:
I supose it could be an abreviation apostrophe since Zoo is short for Zoological Garden ... but i agree its more likely that the snake made a mistake (would that be a misnake ?)
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Youre asping for trouble questioning the Snakey one...
 
big soft moose said:
I supose it could be an abreviation apostrophe since Zoo is short for Zoological Garden ... but i agree its more likely that the snake made a mistake (would that be a misnake ?)
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[pedant]An abbreviation doesn't require an apostrophe. Another common error is "photo's".[/pedant]
 
fabs said:
[pedant]An abbreviation doesn't require an apostrophe. Another common error is "photo's".[/pedant]
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[pedant] so what about can't (can not), shouldn't (should not) , etc [/pedant]
 
fabs said:
They're conjoined words, not a single abbreviation.
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a bit like zoological gardens is two words abreviated and cojoined to Zoo's ?
 
"Zoo is good or bad" might explain the apostrophe. Probably doesn't though!!! :P
 
Ulfric M Douglas said:
I just noticed the stupid apostrophe-plural in the thread title. ....So thick.
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Let me get this straight you are the first person to notice the little glitch, and ONLY 565 posts and 4 weeks later....
The sky is falling in, the sky is falling in :runaway:

:rolleyes:

htid said:
Cobra can you change it please, everybody is laughing at me :(
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you posted that "everyone" is laughing at you, and yet your post immediately followed Ulfric's ?

The sky is falling in, the sky is falling in :runaway:

:rolleyes:
 
Cobra said:
Let me get this straight you are the first person to notice the little glitch, and ONLY 565 posts and 4 weeks later....
The sky is falling in, the sky is falling in :runaway:

:rolleyes:


you posted that "everyone" is laughing at you, and yet your post immediately followed Ulfric's ?

The sky is falling in, the sky is falling in :runaway:

:rolleyes:
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I was only kidding!
 
Someone is looking for a chicken little user title :runaway:
 
From the looks of the article on the BBC today it's going to focus very heavily on seaworld issue
 
htid said:
Links please? If that's also a joke, I don't get it.
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Zoo is an abbreviation of Zoological garden , so the vegan equivalent would be a Botanic Garden (a collection of only plants) - hence the royal botanic gardens at kew and the botanic garden of wales at cardiff
 
htid said:
Well it depends, I thought you might mean one where they have rescued zoo animals that were going to be put down.



Links please? If that's also a joke, I don't get it.
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How would that qualify as vegan?
The animals would still be on show for the "entertainment" of humans.
Wouldn't that be exploitation?
 
viv1969 said:
How would that qualify as vegan?
The animals would still be on show for the "entertainment" of humans.
Wouldn't that be exploitation?
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In my opinion yes but I can see how other vegans may think it's OK. Tbh though as veganism goes it wouldn't be vegan so I was just trying to think of a situation where a zoo could be classed as a vegan zoo and that's the best I could come up with.
 
Hope you're all watching on BBC two now ;)
 
Not as focused on Sea world as I thought.

Some good points raised, would have liked more data on the lack of evidence of zoos=conservation, funds that go to help species etc. What are the good zoos, are there any at all not driven by profit and people (apart from detroit who was featured). Guess the show could have been hours if it was......

It's a tough thing to rationalise for me, I used to go to Jersey zoo a lot, I don't want to go zoos any more, but it's clear the idea needs updating if it's to continue to be respected. But are there enough people questioning it to outweigh those who do not?

And it didn't mention in the caption that the tank enlargement at sea world is cancelled.
 
It didn't really say much and a couple of issues they raised were outdated, as highlighted by the need for update captions.
As ever, a figure is mentioned to say how little goes to 'conservation' but no mention of how much goes to line the pockets of the 'greedy owners' which is all that the anti zoo brigade trot out ;)
 
not sure i'm quite in the brigade yet but it was def lacking decent figures. I'm really surprised that the Born Free foundation were not involved/spoken to (Will Travers) as they were the people who first highlighted some of the issues raised to me (not they were the first to say it, but the first i heard it from)
 
dan_yell said:
Some good points raised, would have liked more data on the lack of evidence of zoos=conservation, funds that go to help species etc. What are the good zoos, are there any at all not driven by profit and people (apart from detroit who was featured). Guess the show could have been hours if it was......

It's a tough thing to rationalise for me, I used to go to Jersey zoo a lot, I don't want to go zoos any more, but it's clear the idea needs updating if it's to continue to be respected. But are there enough people questioning it to outweigh those who do not?
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I susoect there are quite a few - its a difficult question though as even a zoo focussed on conservation like say Jersey needs to make a profit so that it can put that money back into its conservation efforts as they don't pay for themselves ... if you look at those that do good work in terms of either overseas conservation,or captive breeding of endangered species or both there are quite ahigh number not driven soley by profit for profits sake (Marwell for example are heavily involved in the protection and reintroduction of arabian oryx, ZSL do all sorts of stuff including for example 2.1M to tiger conservation, Bristol have 15 overseas conservation partnerships, and so forth ..). leaving aside the small operations nearly every major UK zoo is also involved in conservation and/or conservation research... the idea of them as places soley dedicated to people looking at animals is badly outmoded
 
I watched it, and IMO it was, as these always are, totally biased in its presentation and representation.
The programme went straight for the "oh poor animals" reaction without any balance at all.
 
I really liked the polar bear enclosure - an excellent example of "they cannot be released but we're doing everything we can for them" - which is what Seaworld are saying they are doing, but having cancelled the expanded tanks, are very much not. So many experts want to help them provide the best place for their orca as they cannot be released (except for Morgan and a couple of others who could be) but they're ignoring it. I don't know what their polar bear enclosure is like these days, but i know there was a lot of repetitive behaviour of the bears there and it was painfully small.

@big soft moose yes, you're right, they need the money to help the species (jersey zoo did lots for aye ayes, which has just reminded me i had a tshirt with an aye aye on but i dont know where it is :-( first world problems) - i guess its about making sure zoos are truthful about the balance of funds spent (people assume its a lot more than it is) - its so complex. I did really like the Detroit Zoo guy saying about only have suitable species in the zoo and tough s*** if not.

Even the culling issue was confusing (not sterlising animals sounds better, but excess animals not so much)
 
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