would you commision me?

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I think your priorities are wrong - your sales side can look as 'pro' as possible but people ain't going to see it until they become your customers - your priority should be shopfront, not the back end.

I made do with a paper based ordering system and PBase client galleries for three years before moving to an online cart ... didn't stop people booking me.

Yes I know Duncan-but the wedding im doing next month im relying on some extra sales from as im setting up a studio afterwards as an experiment.

People say about the main pic-others have said otherwise-this is where it gets silly. I cannot please everyone all the time LOL.

With regard to smoking-im a driving instructor and we all have website saying we will teach you to drive-isnt that obvious tooLOL
 
Yes I know Duncan-but the wedding im doing next month im relying on some extra sales from as im setting up a studio afterwards as an experiment.

People say about the main pic-others have said otherwise-this is where it gets silly. I cannot please everyone all the time LOL.

With regard to smoking-im a driving instructor and we all have website saying we will teach you to drive-isnt that obvious tooLOL

Hey I have a novel idea, one you may like. You let me "second tog" a few of your weddings, for experience only, no payment required, and I will sit down with you, and we can build a site together. I wont use flash, but I will get you a layout, logo, page navigation sitemap, and help with the text as much as I can. I have been doing it for about 5, maybe 6 years, and its not a lot of work. I reckon it will be an eye opener for you, and vice versa if you let me second tog.

Gary.
 
Hey I have a novel idea, one you may like. You let me "second tog" a few of your weddings, for experience only, no payment required, and I will sit down with you, and we can build a site together. I wont use flash, but I will get you a layout, logo, page navigation sitemap, and help with the text as much as I can. I have been doing it for about 5, maybe 6 years, and its not a lot of work. I reckon it will be an eye opener for you, and vice versa if you let me second tog.

Gary.

Would be my pleaseure gary-but you are in Scotland-long way for you to come isnt it.
 
Would be my pleaseure gary-but you are in Scotland-long way for you to come isnt it.

No, I love driving and it would be for a very good reason too. Have the camper van in less than a week, so my mobile studio should be very handy :D

I would bring Claire and do the whole tourist thing if I had time.

G.
 
No, I love driving and it would be for a very good reason too. Have the camper van in less than a week, so my mobile studio should be very handy :D

I would bring Claire and do the whole tourist thing if I had time.

G.

Ive only got 2 wedding bookings so far this year-so hope it will pick up LOL First is 19th july on a sat in wolverhampton. All day thing-another in dec local to me.

im sure some more will come up though-youve got a deal if that suits you.
 
Coming back to your original question, the answer sadly is no. The portrait just doesn't look like the studio type portrait I'd expect from a pro, the wedding page (as already mentioned) only has a church pic on it. Your real wedding photos only have one decent shot of the bride looking at camera, and thats a little blown out. For wedding work we are mostly "selling" to the bride, thats who she's going to want to see. Wayne
 
Ive only got 2 wedding bookings so far this year-so hope it will pick up LOL First is 19th july on a sat in wolverhampton. All day thing-another in dec local to me.

im sure some more will come up though-youve got a deal if that suits you.

I will check my dates (Get my son every second weekend), otherwise, consider it done :)

Gary.
 
Coming back to your original question, the answer sadly is no. The portrait just doesn't look like the studio type portrait I'd expect from a pro, the wedding page (as already mentioned) only has a church pic on it. Your real wedding photos only have one decent shot of the bride looking at camera, and thats a little blown out. For wedding work we are mostly "selling" to the bride, thats who she's going to want to see. Wayne

Ok fair do's-thats because its not a studios shot. Have all pro's started only doing studio shots now.

But your entitledto your opinion thanks.
 
My honest advice, and please don't take offence, is that this all seems to be a bit of a rush to market with the web site. Take your time and get a few more weddings under your belt, the work will come in by word of mouth anyway if your customers are satisfied with your work. It isn't the web site which will sell your pics, it's ultimately the pics themselves, so you need a good selection of quality images on the site which I don't see there at the moment - and when you have a few weddings behind you you'll have a lot more choice in the images you're putting out there on your site. You need to be very, very selective if you're going to catch the eye of potential customers in a very competitive market.

You don't need a website at this stage and a poor one can work against you. ;)

If you're absolutely set on the web site idea and readies is an issue, then have a look at some of the template sites like Photium, which will charge you an annual fee but enable you to set up a professional looking site without any technical knowledge, but not yet awhile IMHO.
 
Based on my website-would you if you were looking for a portrait or wedding photographer think my work and my site was good enough and then commision me.

Just give me an idea-so i know if I have to work harder at anything to get customers to come through the website.

Thanks


I'll be blunt, as that's the best way to get feedback, but no I wouldn't. The fundamental reason why not is that there isn't enough variety of examples of your work on your website, it just looks like you've shot one wedding and one protrait. That isn't enough. If the reason is because you've only shot one wedding and one portrait then you need to build up a whole portfolio of work before a website will sell your work.
 
I'll be blunt, as that's the best way to get feedback, but no I wouldn't. The fundamental reason why not is that there isn't enough variety of examples of your work on your website, it just looks like you've shot one wedding and one protrait. That isn't enough. If the reason is because you've only shot one wedding and one portrait then you need to build up a whole portfolio of work before a website will sell your work.

Fair enough-knew that anyway-must get more on there-will be redesigning the whole thing-thanks to Gary pretty soon and will have more images on there as soon as I can.
 
The site is looking far better this morning, lots of work gone on obviously.

With a quick flick through my eye did settle on the part about "extra high resolution images" for £15. I'm not sure what extra high resolution is but I'm thinking perhaps you meant additional. :)
 
I'll be blunt, as that's the best way to get feedback, but no I wouldn't. The fundamental reason why not is that there isn't enough variety of examples of your work on your website, it just looks like you've shot one wedding and one protrait. That isn't enough. If the reason is because you've only shot one wedding and one portrait then you need to build up a whole portfolio of work before a website will sell your work.

I agree wholeheartedly with this approach and it was how I went about it. I was never, ever, going to do weddings but after assisting on one I loved it. I helped out with a few more and then started to get my own clients which is when I made my dedicated wedding site and split that side of things from the equine stuff.
 
For what it's worth, I'll add my views too. I've deliberately not looked at your website so that you will not see this as a judgement on what you have actually done so far. I'd rather give you advice on how to market your business to achieve the success you're looking for. This will then help you do teh right thing with your marketing and website

The first basic rule of business is that you need to attract customers, the second is that you need these customers to chose you, and finally, you need them to transact with you profitably.

In order to do this, it is imperative that you understand your customer. For example,

Who is your customer ? Chances are it is the bride more than the groom who will be 'shopping' for the wedding photographer in the first instance, and the groom will only be involved at the final selection stages and probably the payment lol.

What is the customer looking for ? As they have probably never been married before, the chance are that they don't actually know and therefore need to see and understand the product that you offer, and know that you can help them shape and define this. In this business, every bride will want their wedding to be special and different from someone else, even if it is only slightly personalised to them.

What will make them chose you ? In decending order...QUALITY, TRUST, CONVENIENCE ACCESIBILITY... and a distinct fifth, PRICE. If you achieve the first four in their minds, then the price will matter much less to them and will not need to be stated up front. If you don't, you will have to be cheap and you don't want that segment of the market.

There are more questions, but you need to sit and define these and their answers.

So, any of your marketing has the reflect the above, whether it be an advert in the newspaper, a leaflet, a website, a wedding show stand etc etc. Your aim is to generate customer traffic i.e. diect contact between the customer and yourself. This is the hardest part and once you have done this, if you sell yourself well and seal the deal on the first or second contact then they will never need to shop you against your competitors, especially on price.

Translated into the actual material you use, these are some of the things that have to scream out at the customer:

- A strong brand, something that instantly says quality and trust ideally.

- Clear messages that are easy to read, understand, and get their message across

- Feminine appeal, remembering that women are far more vain about their wedding pics

- Product, product, product, product, product, product. This is primarily wedding photos and that is what the customer will look for first and what will build your image for quality. The other part of the product is the service (not the packages). You are offering a wedding service and your offer needs to reflect this. Your service is as much about advice and finding the product that is right for them, more than selling limited and limiting 'off the shelf' packages.

- Very clear contact details and an active encouragement for them to contact you without a hard sell e.g. offer friendly advice, contact you to discuss their needs. It's when they speak to you and you offer good practical quality advice that you will build the trust. When you have their trust, then you can probably sell them more tailored (and therefore expensive) packages.

As others have said, do not mention price. You are selling a bespoke service (whether you think it or not) and the aim is to get the customer to want to buy from you before you discuss price. If you achieve this position, you can not only achieve a higher price level, but also a greater likelihood of customer purchase. Remember, quality is properly defined as giving the customer what they want, and delivering quality is what will set you apart not price.

If you give customers what they truly want and you do it well, that delivers high customer satisfaction which leads to more recommendations, less marketing cost and higher achieved prices. Selling the packages you want to sell will never get you to this really high level.

I could go on, but just wanted to share this with you. To achieve success you need may inputs, help and advice as you will never have all the skills you need. For this project you need expertise in photography (of course), marketing (includes website design as a subset), sales, and business planning. Plus a woman to give her eye over your marketing ! Don't get too hung up on the website aspect as it is a relatively minor aspect of how you deliver success.
 
Wow, in the space of one weekend I've seen huge improvement in your site and with all this helpful input I can only see that things will improve. Its been painful at times but hell, its been interesting to read from a lay persons point of view.

Mick.
 
:agree:
and been making frantic notes for when my time comes! :naughty:
 
The logo is a lot more unique and the nav bar a lot more clearer.

Some good changes so far ;)
 
Some of them have very poor websites-but seem to be doing ok. That is my point.


Just because they have a poor website, why copy them?

Take the photography out of the equation.

The website just doesn't work imho.

Profesional looking websites usually use more subtle colours. Your website is uses too 'in your face' colours. Purples and cerise pink are not associated with what you are photographing. The colours attract the viewers attention too much and detract away from what you are trying to display (your photos).
 
Fabulous advice from Defiance and glad to see you getting sorted.
 
Just because they have a poor website, why copy them?

Take the photography out of the equation.

The website just doesn't work imho.

Profesional looking websites usually use more subtle colours. Your website is uses too 'in your face' colours. Purples and cerise pink are not associated with what you are photographing. The colours attract the viewers attention too much and detract away from what you are trying to display (your photos).

Agree with this, Site looks amateurish. Dump the purple text and the logo looks tacky.

You would save yourself alot of hassle by signing up to somthing like clikpic. You can still personalise by adding you own logo etc and can sell prints online accepting credit cards via paypal. I know absolutely nothing about web design and with approx 2 days of work had a clikpic site up and running and looking (well I think) good. opinions welcome

Like me you appear to have problems with spelling so make sure you have somone who can spell proof read everything befor you go live.

I asked my wife to have a look and to answer you original question, her reply was that she would not hire you on the basis of the work on you site.

But good on you for having the balls to seek advise and opinions. How else do you learn.:)
 
I have a question about the picture used on the Schools page

not only does it advertise another photographer but that picture is also on their website along with pack prices

http://www.jpphotographic.co.uk/

is this a free to use image that you have found?
 
I have a question about the picture used on the Schools page

not only does it advertise another photographer but that picture is also on their website along with pack prices

http://www.jpphotographic.co.uk/

is this a free to use image that you have found?

Yes your right I hae to upload the new one-that is the printers who do the proofing for me.

Regards everyone else-very mixed views now,some love it,some hate it. Maybe I should just give up!!!
 
You'll NEVER please all of the people all of the time.....

Nevertheless, you have speeded up your learning curve regarding website design no end since posting this.

Keep at it :thumbs:

Cheers,

Neil
 
Regards everyone else-very mixed views now,some love it,some hate it. Maybe I should just give up!!!

Don't give up, of course it is all down to personal opinion, alot like photography itself.

What you need to find is something that is going to suit most of your customer base. Where alot of them are going to the bride, your site needs to have a feminine touch, which at the moment it doesn't. Why not ask a website designer for some helpful tips and advice, not all of them ask stupid money for their work.
 
Hey Duncan(Weddinghack), when going to your page, you click the picture and it just loads another window with the same thing, is that supposed to happen?

So it does ... never noticed that .. the links underneath will take you to the relevant areas. Will get that fixed, thanks.
 
Not sure if this has been covered ( i have yet to read th entire 8 pages of this thread) but my observation would be to get rid of the hotmail email address.I personally would not do business with a company using hotmail, especially one with thier own domain/web site.

Apart from that having recently engaged a wedding tog (off here) yes i would commission you (subject to my bethrothed letting me).
 
Don't take the easy route out dude. How about just make it better?

Only a little bit of work, even changing some colors etc will make it look better :thumbs:

Apart from adding more pics and changing the colours-which i have now shown people almost every colour in the rainbow-not a lot else i can do with it. Its a template site.

Clikpic is not better for the umpteenth time. You cant sell easily-which is what i want.

When I upgrade the software as said before on monday hopefully i can at least do something like this

http://www.stancliffestudios.co.uk/
 
Clikpic is not better for the umpteenth time. You cant sell easily-which is what i want.

I've noticed that you have mentioned this a few times but when I had my Clikpic site I never had any problems selling prints that way, it was quick and easy to set up as is Photium.
 
Clikpic is not better for the umpteenth time. You cant sell easily-which is what i want.

Thats just not true, how easy do you want it to be? A customer selects an image, orders it, pays for it, you print it and post it (or get it printed online and sent directly to your customer).

Clikpic is clearly better than what you are capable of creating yourself at the moment.
 
Not sure if this has been covered ( i have yet to read th entire 8 pages of this thread) but my observation would be to get rid of the hotmail email address.I personally would not do business with a company using hotmail, especially one with thier own domain/web site.

Apart from that having recently engaged a wedding tog (off here) yes i would commission you (subject to my bethrothed letting me).

well then your pathetic
 
Thats just not true, how easy do you want it to be? A customer selects an image, orders it, pays for it, you print it and post it (or get it printed online and sent directly to your customer).

Clikpic is clearly better than what you are capable of creating yourself at the moment.

No comment.Actually i will. With this software I can have as many different pricing structures as i like and can do this without having to do it for each individual picture-its easiest. i have tried them all. If you think clikpic is so great then well-I dunno what else to say.

im not looking for software advice-or business advice-anymore. i know about business. i dont know as much as I would like about websites.

im not being bolshy-just a bit fed up now.
 
well then your pathetic

:thinking: Erm, he's just paid you a compliment and you call him pathetic?

Your attitude does need reining in at times particularly when people are trying to help you, you've had a wealth of information the last few days and I think a bit of gratitude wouldn't go amiss.

To answer your question, no I wouldn't commission you purely because of your attitude.
 
Not sure if this has been covered ( i have yet to read th entire 8 pages of this thread) but my observation would be to get rid of the hotmail email address.I personally would not do business with a company using hotmail, especially one with thier own domain/web site.

Apart from that having recently engaged a wedding tog (off here) yes i would commission you (subject to my bethrothed letting me).

Sorry-honestly. I have had it today and when I saw wouldnt because of the hotmail thing I didnt read on..

Feeling sheepish now Bow Bow

Hacker-my attitude is on a forum for photographers who on the whole are far too perfect and not the general public-my attitude is just giving some back mate. im not a bloody stone to take critisism beyond comparison-one minute im doing ok one minute not. For gawds sake.

I can not keep going up and down-why do you think it annoys me .
 
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