Voyager, unfortunately as you made so many points it might be difficult to follow the reply I certainly found it difficult at this time of night but I have tried to do so here.
To be honest this is just really very silly.
I, along with plenty of other people, split the Nikon range into distinct branches/lines/groups of models. I am NOT the only person. When new cameras are launched and then reviewed reviewers will say things like "Nikon's new mid range consumer offering" or "Nikon's new low end consumer model". Wikipedia splits them up into 7 distinct groups (I had previously split them into 6 but forgot the D3x). It was quicker to grab the text of the complete range from there rather than type it in and that is what reminded me of the D3x. Now I'm not saying that wikipedia is always right but it shows that I am not the only person that splits them up in to seven groups. Although they separate them slightly differently but along a similar manner.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikon
Anyway in answer to your last post and after your reply why don't we just agree to disagree. I really cannot be bothered typing 30 minute posts that are not helpful or interesting.
With no detail whatsoever - unlike the 'information' that you had about the 'new line' (that you now call a new model).
I never said I had details about this new low end model, I just included it's name! The new model (which has not yet appeared) was supposed to drop in BETWEEN two existing models creating a new model line BUT I am now guessing that it will actually replace the D90 instead.
At least I managed to guess that Nikon needed to improve their video capabilities and they seem to have done just that.
I wasn't trying to guess what their entry level consumer camera has. I don't want anything from the consumer range.
I'm not surprised but doing it for the entry level model suggests that video capabilities will be extended to all the range, in time.
Careful.....
that suggests that there are different types of model like mid and high...... That's getting a bit close to what I was saying
Well, what are the 7 grouping names that Nikon use then?
They straight away split them into 2 groups of amateur/consumer and professional (as per NPU policy). They then have 3 levels of the amateur models. They also have 4 distinct types of PRO body (crop, full frame, large full frame and high res). I have never said that they will stick to 7 but at the moment there are 7 and on occasion cameras are replaced within these 7 keeping the same number plus on occasion they will drop product lines.
Where do you imagine I suggested that? I said there were incremental updates. The D3100 is as incremental as any.
I agree, the D3100 is an incremental update to the D3000.
But no doubt you'll imagine that a D400 with video capability will be a 'monumental' change.
No, I have no interest in video but just adding video does not make it a monumental increase. I stated earlier in the thread that there have been few monumental changes. D100-D200, D1x to D2x to D3
No, they make incremental changes. As I said in the first place.
Most changes are incremental along each line. SEE ABOVE
Only to those that find it hard to understand that change is incremental
I don't find it hard to understand that change is incremental IN MOST CASES. There have however been a number of monumental improvement along some lines.
You have failed to explain where Nikon suggest there are 7 lines - despite you being the one that said that they do. And your rhetorical question about the use of screws was so pathetic it did not deserve answering.
They readily split them into amateur and pro and then have 3 levels of amateur and 4 types of pro so they effectively do which is what I have been saying.
What have I posted that is about 'things you have not said'?
You have accused me of thinking that certain incremental changes are monumental when I have not for a start.
Where have I said you lied?
When you said "
I also doubt that anyone has"
Because you are continually failing to answer my question about your explanation of where 'Nikon state' there are '7 lines' is, I'm a troll?
Hardly. Just answer the question. It should be simple. If you are right. But you know you are not so would rather make snide comments about me, rather than admit you made a mistake.
I have explained this several times and I have not made a mistake regarding 7 lines it is just a difference of opinion. I called you a troll as several times during this thread you have picked an argument with different people over stupid little things which, certainly in this case, have ended up being blown out of all proportion! So what if some people consider Nikon's digital range to be split up into several distinct groups. Does it matter?
Now you are just making things up. I have never said Nikon are making 'random' cameras.
You said they are just a bunch of incremental updates.
No. Nikon advertise them as 'Professional' and 'consumer'
As I did previously. Clearly "consumer=amateur"
I have not see that. Show me where Nikon differentiate them.
They differentiate them by having three models with different names at different price points within that group.
They are designed to do different things and are priced differently.
Different things? So there are 4 different things within the Professional range? So you call them "things" and I call them "lines" (only because each model is pretty much replaced by another model along that same thing/group).
I don't as they are essentially the 'same'.
But you said they were different. So they are different and the same?
It is similar to the washing powder market - there are two companies that market many lots of types of washing powder. The consumer thinks they have a 'choice' but it is Procter and Gamble and Unilever who win because it doesn't really matter which you buy as it will be one of theirs.
How is that relevant? If one company owned Nikon and Canon then it would be.
I asked you where Nikon state there are 7 lines that you claimed they do. You STILL have utterly failed to demonstrate this and I expect you to continue to sidestep from giving an answer.
I have answered this, they have the comsumer range with three "things" in it and the pro range with four "things" in it.
What about this snippet?
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Originally Posted by boyfalldown
most high end goods from any company can be tracked into 'family trees'. It doesn't mean those products aren't in product lines which may be added to or removed from at any time.
Of course the products from Nikon (or Sony, Canon, LG or any one of 100 consumer goods companies) are in lines
Indeed.
Can you explain that to cowasaki who seems to think a new model is a new line."
Here you seem to be agreeing that the products follow lines ie "Indeed".
Yes a new model that sits in a new niche not replacing an existing model or along an existing line I would consider a new line.
You come up with a better word than line or "thing" then.
Interesting reading though (Not.)
Life really is to short . . . :bang:
