Worth buying a D90 before it's discontinued?

cowasaki said:
Look above your post and add that I said there was another model. That is the information I have. I can't tell you who the source is.
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Of course there will be 'another model' - there will forever be 'another model' coming along or there would never be a change in what Nikon are offering.

Or are you trying to hint that it won't be a 'professional', 'prosumer' or a 'consumer' body?
 
Voyager said:
Of course there will be 'another model' - there will forever be 'another model' coming along or there would never be a change in what Nikon are offering.

Or are you trying to hint that it won't be a 'professional', 'prosumer' or a 'consumer' body?
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An extra range.
 
cowasaki said:
I'm stating that I know that there are no plans to replace the D90, D700 or D300s this year. Might be another camera though ;)
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Nikon have stated that the D700 won't be replaced this year to the dealers, its kind of hard to imagine them wanting to hack their supplier network off by going against that, and the d300s isn't very far into its lifecycle so its easy to see that won't be replaced, but the d90 looks very likely to be upgraded, even if its only an 's' varient
 
cowasaki said:
It was hard to see why they launched the D5000 but they did
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D5000?

It's was just what I would have expected - an incremental update - a D300 sensor in the D40 type lightweight body. A D90 without the bells and whistles. It was certainly not the start of a new range.
 
Voyager said:
D5000?

It's was just what I would have expected - an incremental update - a D300 sensor in the D40 type lightweight body. A D90 without the bells and whistles. It was certainly not the start of a new range.
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Is there a yawn emoticon?

It is a new line

D40,D40x,D60,D3000

D5000

D50,D70,D70s,D80,D90

D100,D200,D300,D300s

D700

D1,D2,D3

You really DON'T get this do you :bonk:
 
From the information I have I would GUESS

YES THIS NEXT BIT IS A GUESS

That they will launch a new camera called the D7000 (probably) and drop the D90. The D90 may have sold quicker than they expected so their plan to keep it running with the D7000 till it sold out may now be obsolete.

The reason for my guess is based on the age of the D3s, D90 & D300s, the fact that the D700 will not be changed this year. I know that there is a new model above the D90 spec. D7000 would fit in nicely with the D3000 & D5000 in the 3 lower ranges leaving Nikon with their 3 upper ranges as they are now. At the moment the D5000 which is the range LOWER than the D90 has features which are newer and better which may put off some D90 owners so THAT is my prediction.

So we would have

D3000 (or D3100) lower consumer

D5000 mid consumer

Dxxx / D7000 high end consumer

D300s crop pro

D700 ff pro

D3s main pro

D3x studio pro
 
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cowasaki said:
Is there a yawn emoticon?
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I know what you are writing is astonishingly boring but you don't need to add a Smile to it....
cowasaki said:
It is a new line
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The D5000 is not 'a new line' :suspect: It was one of the updates to the D40/D40x and D60 which were 'replaced' by the D3000 and D5000. They are what you (I think) call the 'consumer' range.

In time they will be replaced too, by cameras that are probably by measurably 'better' kit than is in than the 'Professional' range now.
cowasaki said:
You really DON'T get this do you :bonk:
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You don't. You make up imaginary differences in camera bodies to attempt to justify your increasingly bizarre pronouncements. I'm sure there will not be any new 'range' coming as you seriously claim. But as sure as the sun coming up tomorrow, there will be yet another incremental improvement in something that already exits. As usual.
 
The above lines already exist!

Nikon and everyone else other than you treats them as lines as per my above post so maybe, just maybe, EVERYONE including Nikon are totally wrong and you are right!

As for my pronouncements we will see will we not! There are bits coming out from everywhere which back up what I am saying. Only ten minutes ago I came across another thread where someone has mentioned that Digital Depot now have a place holder for a camera called the D95. Maybe my GUESS that they will call it the D7000 is wrong and it will be the D95, maybe they have the placeholder called that because they do not know either. Maybe Nikon are dropping the D90 early and replacing it with a model which previously was supposed to be higher (as they did with the D60/D3000).

Basically you just consider Nikon's range to be a random collection of cameras being updated regularly just to drag in the punters and with no large increments. Fine I don't care about that much. I will categorise them the same way as everyone else OTHER than you so my clearly simpler brain can keep track of them.
 
I'm sorry but what Cowsaki is saying does make sense, whether he is right or wrong is a different question.

If anything he's just giving us a headsup, he's saying he dosn't know if it's going to happen or not. it's just something he was told.

So stop hating on him, and let him explain what he has to say. I'm quite intrested.

If you don't believe or agree with what he has to say then don't read it, people are causing unnecessary arguments. Because at the end of the day if he's right then your all going to look a bit silly. But as he said he could be wrong it was just something he had been told,

so lets wait it out and see!
 
cowasaki said:
The above lines already exist!
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Of course they do they are LINES. They will be CONTINUED....
cowasaki said:
Nikon and everyone else other than you treats them as lines as per my above post so maybe, just maybe, EVERYONE including Nikon are totally wrong and you are right!
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Think of it as a family tree - they start with just one (the 2.7MP D1) that 'grew' (incremental improvements) into the D1H and D1X (which had an astonishing at the time 5.3MP sensor!). A year on and the D100 (6MP) was introduced - the first 'amateur' digital Nikon. A year on from that came the D70 - essentially a 'cheap' D100. (But Canon had them beaten with the 300D which was in the shops much earlier!)

Then the 'family' grew - the D1 range morphed into the D2 range. The D70 gets a D70S and a 'budget' D50. (The D50 being measurably better than the D1 of just 5 years earlier) The D100 became the D200 and became established as the mid-range DSLR between the D70/50 and D2 models. Next the D80 replaces the D70 and the D40 the D50.

We get closer to the present day - the D200 evolves into the D300 the D40 gets a minor alteration to the D40X and the D3 is announced branching out from the tree a the first Nikon with a full frame sensor. (I've missed out some of the changes in the D2 alphabet there - but they were just incrementally 'improving' the camera)

Then the D60 replaces the D40X, the D700 branches off from the D300 family with a full frame sensor and the D90 replaces the D80. The D3 gets some mods to it's sensor to become the D3X and the D5000 drops in above the end of the D60 and the fits in D3000 below that.

There are no 'new lines' - everything that followed the D1 is related to something that preceded it (and I think that was a film body with digital guts). A new line would be an entirely new category such as Panasonic's AG-AF100 video camera stemming from the G range 4:3's sensor and lens mount.
cowasaki said:
Maybe my GUESS that they will call it the D7000 is wrong and it will be the D95, maybe they have the placeholder called that because they do not know either. Maybe Nikon are dropping the D90 early and replacing it with a model which previously was supposed to be higher (as they did with the D60/D3000).
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Meh. I'd expect a 'thousand' in the name as well but I guessed 'D9000' as the next model name earlier in the thread.
cowasaki said:
Basically you just consider Nikon's range to be a random collection of cameras being updated regularly just to drag in the punters and with no large increments.
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No I don't. I see a logical progression that is not connected to whatever categorizations you are putting on models.
cowasaki said:
Fine I don't care about that much. I will categorise them the same way as everyone else OTHER than you so my clearly simpler brain can keep track of them.
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I'm sure you will.
 
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Voyager said:
Think of it as a family tree - they start with just one (the 2.7MP D1) that 'grew' (incremental improvements) into the D1H and D1X (which had an astonishing at the time 5.3MP sensor!). A year on and the D100 (6MP) was introduced - the first 'amateur' digital Nikon. A year on from that came the D70 - essentially a 'cheap' D100. (But Canon had them beaten with the 300D which was in the shops much earlier!)


*snip*
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most high end goods from any company can be tracked into 'family trees'. It doesn't mean those products aren't in product lines which may be added to or removed from at any time.

Of course the products from Nikon (or Sony, Canon, LG or any one of 100 consumer goods companies) are in lines
 
boyfalldown said:
most high end goods from any company can be tracked into 'family trees'. It doesn't mean those products aren't in product lines which may be added to or removed from at any time.

Of course the products from Nikon (or Sony, Canon, LG or any one of 100 consumer goods companies) are in lines
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Indeed.

Can you explain that to cowasaki who seems to think a new model is a new line.
 

Of course the products from Nikon (or Sony, Canon, LG or any one of 100 consumer goods companies) are in lines

Voyager said:
Indeed.

Can you explain that to cowasaki who seems to think a new model is a new line.
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Nope does not need to explain that to me, I already understand it, do you?

Primates are a line/branch

Dogs are a line/branch

Cats are a line/branch

They are still part of a family tree of animals but they are a branch or line just as ALL cameras come from one branch in Nikon's product tree with point and shoot going one way and DSLRs going another way. All the cameras they make are on the tree but they go down branches, the branches are product lines. You are clearly a troll as nobody can be this incapable of understanding a simple concept.
 
Voyager said:
Of course they do they are LINES. They will be CONTINUED....
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Clear evidence that you really do understand what we are saying YOU actually state in an answer what WE have been saying!!

Your explanation that they are all just incremental updates does not even fit with YOUR family tree arrangement WHICH IS ACTUALLY MY ARGUEMENT!!!
 
cowasaki said:
Clear evidence that you really do understand what we are saying YOU actually state in an answer what WE have been saying!!

Your explanation that they are all just incremental updates does not even fit with YOUR family tree arrangement WHICH IS ACTUALLY MY ARGUEMENT!!!
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I really think you are going insane. :eek:
cowasaki said:
Is there a yawn emoticon?

It is a new line

[Snip]

You really DON'T get this do you :bonk:
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Voyager said:
There are no 'new lines' - everything that followed the D1 is related to something that preceded it (and I think that was a film body with digital guts). A new line would be an entirely new category such as Panasonic's AG-AF100 video camera stemming from the G range 4:3's sensor and lens mount.
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I really think you are going insane. :eek:
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Yes mad people often think that the sane are mad.

niktree.jpg


This was a quick model using PS but it's a tree and we have product lines.

YOU are the one saying that I am mad for believing in the advertising hype that is product lines but that is the way it is.

There are now 7 specific lines currently as stated earlier. This is Nikon stating this and MOST of us are happy to go along with it.

YOU have talked about a family tree and THAT is what I am talking about as well !!!! Each product line is a branch.

Of course they share components etc but that is normal
 
Unless this entire argument has been that you would call ALL their cameras a product line and each group of cameras on that line that follow on from each other is a branch (ie D100>D200>D300>D300s).

If so then we agree other than that one pathetic little naming thing and I can live with that and we can move on.

BUT you saying that they are all just lots of incremental updates did not fit in with that.
 
cowasaki said:
This was a quick model using PS but it's a tree and we have product lines.
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The D1 and D100 (and your other unnamed 'lines') are not separated.

If they are where did the D700 come from? It is not 'the first of' anything - it is a development from the D300 and the D3. Just as all the others came from the root of the D1.

cowasaki said:
YOU are the one saying that I am mad for believing in the advertising hype that is product lines but that is the way it is.
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No, I know marketing differentiates the products. It is how they part people from their money. It is the bodies that are not so specifically differentiated.
cowasaki said:
There are now 7 specific lines currently as stated earlier. This is Nikon stating this and MOST of us are happy to go along with it.
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Nikon state there are 7 'lines'? Link please.
cowasaki said:
YOU have talked about a family tree and THAT is what I am talking about as well !!!! Each product line is a branch.
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No, you seem to think the D5000 is, and that the replacement for the D90 will be, a 'new line'.
cowasaki said:
Of course they share components etc but that is normal
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At last you agree.
 
cowasaki said:
If so then we agree other than that one pathetic little naming thing and I can live with that and we can move on.
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You've told us Nikon state there are seven 'lines'.

But I can only see two (or, for the terminally pedantic, three)
cowasaki said:
BUT you saying that they are all just lots of incremental updates did not fit in with that.
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Fits in perfectly when you stop looking at just the cameras you have interest in.
 
Voyager said:
At last you agree.
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So anything with a screw in it comes from the same line?

Forget it.


I was once told "Never argue with an idiot, they will drag you down to their level then beat you with experience!"

I can't be bothered arguing with you anymore.
 
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I won't be buying a D90 replacement unless its video capabilities include stereo audio recording, mic jack, AF video recording, flip out screen (to the side [censored] not underneath like the stupid D5000!), and a larger sensor to go along with increased megapixels.
 
Voyager said:
They have just launched the D3100 - looks like a perfect update on the D3000 to me.
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This has just popped up on the main screen as you just posted. I am not getting into a discussion about what to call each branch/line or type of their product tree as it is completely irrelevant to the products. I already posted that this model was coming (see #90). There is another too and post #90 shows the 7 current models. Each will be updated, split, dropped or whatever as time goes on (maybe D95, maybe D6/7000?). Spending hours arguing over what to call these 7 distinct groups of cameras is pointless but I am sure you actually know what I am really saying.
 
cowasaki said:
I already posted that this model was coming (see #90). There is another too and post #90 shows the 7 current models. Each will be updated, split, dropped or whatever as time goes on (maybe D95, maybe D6/7000?). Spending hours arguing over what to call these 7 distinct groups of cameras is pointless but I am sure you actually know what I am really saying.
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Doesn't look like you have a clue what you are really saying to me. You told us there were 7 lines - not 7 models and there were even 10 DSLR's listed in Nikon's range before the D3100 became the 11th :cuckoo:

And in Post 82 you told us the new camera would be 'an extra range' - do you really think that the D3100 is the start of a completely new range? Looks like an incremental upgrade on an existing one (exactly as I would expect).
 
Kaouthia said:
Not all of those are current production models though. The D300 hasn't been in production since the D300s was released, for example, same for the D3/D3s.
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So where do Nikon list these mysterious '7 lines' then? :shrug:
 
Voyager said:
Doesn't look like you have a clue what you are really saying to me. You told us there were 7 lines - not 7 models and there were even 10 DSLR's listed in Nikon's range before the D3100 became the 11th :cuckoo:

And in Post 82 you told us the new camera would be 'an extra range' - do you really think that the D3100 is the start of a completely new range? Looks like an incremental upgrade on an existing one (exactly as I would expect).
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IF you could be bothered to actually read what I have been saying then you would realise that the D3100 is NOT the camera I am talking about even though I specifically mentioned it by name in post #90. It IS the incremental update the the (see below) that is labelled "entry level consumer" and currently occupied by the D3000. The D300 is dead although still listed but was the previous model of the D300s (see below).

YOU are arguing about what I should be calling them but as I have said over and over again. There are 7 (insert word you like here) of cameras as per #90 and each one is aimed at a separate group. Each one will be replaced as and when with all the cameras moving on as they go. Some features will appear in lower or higher end cameras first but they will basically stick to their 7 (as aboves) until they decide a (as above) is no longer required at which point they will drop that (as above) and have more or less (as aboves).

The particular (as aboves) I am interested are the ones Nikon deem to be their professional (as aboves) and if a feature appears in an (as above) that I am not interested in then I will just wait for it in the (as above) that I am interested in again.

Say whatever you like back to this. Numerous people have spoken to me since you started this argument asking what you are actually arguing about! I cannot be bothered to go round and round in circles over something so simple as what you call each line/branch/niche/product segment or whatever......
 
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cowasaki said:
IF you could be bothered to actually read what I have been saying then you would realise that the D3100 is NOT the camera I am talking about even though I specifically mentioned it by name in post #90.
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The post that you guessed Nikon would launch a 'D7000 (probably) and drop the D90' :thinking: After you had said they would be introducing an 'extra range'?

I don't think you bothered to mention that the D3000 was about to get an update with a CMOS and live view and autofocus while filming. Reasonably important - if not Canon threatening.
cowasaki said:
YOU are arguing about what I should be calling them but as I have said over and over again. There are 7 (insert word you like here) of cameras as per #90 and each one is aimed at a separate group.
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WHERE are there these 7 lines listed? You claim 'Nikon and everyone else other than you treats them as lines' but still have utterly failed to justify that fatuous comment.
cowasaki said:
Say whatever you like back to this. Numerous people have spoken to me since you started this argument asking what you are actually arguing about! I cannot be bothered to go round and round in circles over something so simple as what you call each line/branch/niche/product segment or whatever......
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If others are sad enough to ask you what they think I don't understand that is really not my problem. I also doubt that anyone has - but what you failed to grasp, and appear to have back peddled massively on, is the 'monumental' change that you imagined between the D100 and D200 was exactly what I said it was - just a collection if incremental improvements already seen on other Nikon bodies along with a few new ones that would get shared out as other bodies are upgraded.

Now, what are these '7 specific lines' that you imagine Nikon say exist?
cowasaki said:
There are now 7 specific lines currently as stated earlier. This is Nikon stating this and MOST of us are happy to go along with it.
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As that is what you told us, isn't it?
 
I quite clearly stated that the D3100 would replace the D3000 see post 90!

I didn't have any details about the "entry level consumer" body.

I said there was supposed to be another "line" or model grouping or whatever wording you would be happy with. This was the plan when I was told BUT it looks increasingly likely that Nikon are just going to use it to replace the D90 in that line/grouping/model segment.

I have no details about it or ant other camera other than where it would fall in their groupings and that certain models would not be replaced (or no plans at that time).

Nikon have a lower, middle and upper consumer model. Plus four pro models crop, full frame, full frame large body and full frame studio/high res. The grouping names are not necessarily the grouping names Nikon would use but they have these groups and a new camera coming in replaces an older one (although clearly some older ones stay until they sell them all off like the D300).

You can live in your world of random updates if you like!

I, and everyone else whom I have spoken to about it, clearly accept that they have specific lines/groups/niches which get updated. Clearly they don't update them all at once or they would have supply problems.

The D100 was their entry level professional camera. Their next entry level professional camera was the D200. The difference between the two was monumental. Simple as that. The fact that some of these changes had been seen on other cameras is irrelevant.

You haven't answered the question about whether everything that nikon makes that has a screw in it isn't one line! They all have screws!!

You just keep posting ridiculous posts about things I have said or not said and got them wrong on numerous occasions.

You have also said I have lied which I haven't.

You are clearly a troll just trying to annoy people, it's a bit sad really.

Do you really just consider all their cameras to be random?

Do you accept that they have pro models and amateur ones?

Do you accept that they have 3 levels of amateur ones?

Do you accept that the four cameras (d300s, D700, d3s and d3x) are all different and aimed at slightly different segments of the pro market?

If you do accept these then what would you like to call these distinct sections of the market?

I am happy to call them all lines and nobody has ever had a problem with that till you. If you can think of a more appropriate word I will happily use that instead just to shut you up!
 
cowasaki just to let you know i enjoyed reading your posts and i hope a d7000 comes and like you said (i understand it) it would make perfect sense to call it a d7000 to fall in the groups.
Group1 d3000, d5000, d7000
Group2 d300s, d700
Group3 d3, d3s, d3x
 
Philx1979 said:
Group1 d3000, d5000, d7000
Group2 d300s, d700
Group3 d3, d3s, d3x
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That's kinda how I've always seen it.

Group 1 == Consumer stuff up to the D70/80/90 range.
Group 2 == Entry level pro
Group 3 == Pro pro. :)
 
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