Windows 11

[LongLensPhotography]

Microsoft Win 11 Compatibility checker - Sponsored by Intel perhaps?

Intel lost quite a lot of business with apple, so old pals are giving a helping hand. Anything pre-2018 will likely fail in some way.

Unlike W10 where you can have a local account to login etc, with W11 you must have an MS account.................so I surmise W11 will be phoning home one heck of lot more than W10 plus what are the odds that there might be a progressive shift to a cloud based OS and a subscription model ??? Just saying

That is a very nasty one. That rules out Home edition entirely.

Time to finally make a permanent move to Linux for me I think . . .

I would like to be able to do the same. Just how can we force Adobe to finally release Linux versions of their stuff?
Failing that Apple M2/3 will be quite a lot more mature by next year.

 

[Box Brownie]

Intel lost quite a lot of business with apple, so old pals are giving a helping hand. Anything pre-2018 will likely fail in some way.



That is a very nasty one. That rules out Home edition entirely.



I would like to be able to do the same. Just how can we force Adobe to finally release Linux versions of their stuff?
Failing that Apple M2/3 will be quite a lot more mature by next year.

FWIW I use W10 Pro 64 bit

 

[Petrochemist]

Unlike W10 where you can have a local account to login etc, with W11 you must have an MS account.................so I surmise W11 will be phoning home one heck of lot more than W10 plus what are the odds that there might be a progressive shift to a cloud based OS and a subscription model ??? Just saying

None of the PCs in our lab have an internet connection (or now even a network connection/CD drive...).
Several of the versions of Windows we use are not happy about not being able to talk to the web, but if there's no internet link & limited removable media viruses/security updates are of less concern.

Having to upgrade software to be compatible with the new windows (forced on us when an old PC died) & then finding bespoke software no longer works with the new version at all has been a major issue - requiring the software to be completely re-written.

 

[troutfisher]

I have just looked at our PC's/ Laptop both the PC's will not run Win 11 ( lack of TPM v2) , I have not yet got round to seeing if TPM is installed and not enabled but if I cannot enable it we are not buying new PC's apart from the fact that we run some legacy software ( MS Money) for which there is no replacement either for PC or Mac.
Fortunately the laptop ( HP will run 11 ).

 

[Box Brownie]

I have just looked at our PC's/ Laptop both the PC's will not run Win 11 ( lack of TPM v2) , I have not yet got round to seeing if TPM is installed and not enabled but if I cannot enable it we are not buying new PC's apart from the fact that we run some legacy software ( MS Money) for which there is no replacement either for PC or Mac.
Fortunately the laptop ( HP will run 11 ).

Interesting, when I ran the checker it was non specific as to why my PC was not able to run W11. Though intriguingly it did tell me my PC was 10 years old and that AFAIK equates to my CPU age, being 1st Gen Intel.

 

[Retune]

You can switch TPM on if available, and already enabled in the BIOS, by running tpm.msc :

Troubleshoot the TPM

Learn how to view and troubleshoot the Trusted Platform Module (TPM).

docs.microsoft.com

From some of the chatter about this it's possible that MS may allow, but not recommend, TPM 1.2, though TPM 2.0 will be the officially supported version. The latter has apparently been required for W10 certification (but not installation) since 2016.

 

[ancient_mariner]

None of the PCs in our lab have an internet connection (or now even a network connection/CD drive...).
Several of the versions of Windows we use are not happy about not being able to talk to the web, but if there's no internet link & limited removable media viruses/security updates are of less concern.

Having to upgrade software to be compatible with the new windows (forced on us when an old PC died) & then finding bespoke software no longer works with the new version at all has been a major issue - requiring the software to be completely re-written.

I've never noticed lab computers having a problem if they didn't have an internet connection. XP or even 98 are fine if dedicated to kit (and the hardware doesn't fail). We were running a couple of instances of ME until last year as standalone. Now all work machines are corporate W10 build, but lab computers have no internet connectivity.

 

[Petrochemist]

I've never noticed lab computers having a problem if they didn't have an internet connection. XP or even 98 are fine if dedicated to kit (and the hardware doesn't fail). We were running a couple of instances of ME until last year as standalone. Now all work machines are corporate W10 build, but lab computers have no internet connectivity.

Yes that's just the situation we're in. We do still have a copy or two of XP running. I suspect this may change as the company is moving over to a LIMS system (Laboratory Infomation Management System) which will require every instrument to be connected to a common network. Hopefully our IT dept can keep the instrument PCs fully segregated from everyone who needs to query the system (sales staff etc)

 

[ancient_mariner]

Yes that's just the situation we're in. We do still have a copy or two of XP running. I suspect this may change as the company is moving over to a LIMS system (Laboratory Infomation Management System) which will require every instrument to be connected to a common network. Hopefully our IT dept can keep the instrument PCs fully segregated from everyone who needs to query the system (sales staff etc)

In the present set up all lab computers are running W10 with some (very)old software in emulation mode. They have limited access to the network and no internet. Very annoyingly the IT people won't allow the screen to be kept live for more than 10min, which can interfere with some processes, and requires staff to keep moving the mouse to maintain login on the desktop.

 

[SFTPhotography]

Will Windows 11 be colour managed like Mac OS. That is literally all I care about.

 

[LongLensPhotography]

Will Windows 11 be colour managed like Mac OS. That is literally all I care about.

It already sort of is just quite buggy in the typical m$ fashion. 2 monitors is essentially just a wishful thinking

 

[SFTPhotography]

It already sort of is just quite buggy in the typical m$ fashion. 2 monitors is essentially just a wishful thinking

It is really buggy, cannot get my desktop to display in A1998 and because it is a wide gamut screen I use any sRBG export looks crazy on it, and aRGB looks washed out. I have to use the Photo viewer, but only in TIFF, or just view through DXO.

iOS was in this regard better.

Not sure I will go for win11 anyway, not right away - not sure what it would bring me to be fair.

 

[Cobra]

I'm sure that Microsoft said when they released 10, that would be the last OS, but it would just be upgraded as necessary...
And now ? ...
Microsoft is ending its support for Windows 10 in 2025, indicating that the company is moving towards a new operating system.

 

[Box Brownie]

I'm sure that Microsoft said when they released 10, that would be the last OS, but it would just be upgraded as necessary...
And now ? ...
Microsoft is ending its support for Windows 10 in 2025, indicating that the company is moving towards a new operating system.

A bit like Adobe promising enduring support for the LR perpetual license users....... :banghead:

 

[Cobra]

A bit like Adobe promising enduring support for the LR perpetual license users....... :banghead:

I don't use light room, but I have CS5 on disc. I'm really glad I went for the disc option years ago, rather than going for the download option.

 

[LongLensPhotography]

It is really buggy, cannot get my desktop to display in A1998 and because it is a wide gamut screen I use any sRBG export looks crazy on it, and aRGB looks washed out. I have to use the Photo viewer, but only in TIFF, or just view through DXO.

iOS was in this regard better.

Not sure I will go for win11 anyway, not right away - not sure what it would bring me to be fair.

Lightroom, Photoshop are fine but only with a single monitor. For review I use irfanview with plugins. (That bit is very important). Any windows inbuilt apps are utterly rubbish.
Brave browser appears to behave as well. That gives the bare minimum to survive. Windows is decade behind Linux let alone Mac os

 

[Box Brownie]

I don't use light room, but I have CS5 on disc. I'm really glad I went for the disc option years ago, rather than going for the download option.

I have CD/DVD's where appropriate for my older Adobe stuff..................but also all the updates of the Full Installer downloads are on at least two HDDs

 

[MartynK]

I bought my laptop in 2010, 'upgraded' it to W10 about eighteen months ago and fitted an SSD earlier this year. Everything works well, but I ran the health check:

'This PC can't run Windows 11. The PC must support Secure Boot. While this PC doesn't meet the system requirements to run Windows 11, you'll keep getting Windows 10 updates'.

That's OK, I'm quite content to continue running W10.

 

[Cobra]

you'll keep getting Windows 10 updates'.

That's fairy nuff but conflicts with what I found and posted ..

Microsoft is ending its support for Windows 10 in 2025, indicating that the company is moving towards a new operating system.

 

[Retune]

I don't use light room, but I have CS5 on disc. I'm really glad I went for the disc option years ago, rather than going for the download option.

I have CD/DVD's where appropriate for my older Adobe stuff..................but also all the updates of the Full Installer downloads are on at least two HDDs.

Discs or archived downloads won't help when you are dependent on online activation. Adobe have already killed CS-CS4 installations by shutting off the servers. Expect them to do the same to CS5 by 2023 at the latest, and CS6 after that.

LR5 and earlier don't depend on online activation, but for PS you have to go all the way back to PS7 in 2002 to find a version on CD that Adobe can't prevent you installing. They did make activation-free CS2 installers available online for a while, and these can still be found on the Wayback Machine, but the last time I tried PS CS2 it repeatedly crashed soon after starting on W10 (not sure if there's a workaround). There were similar activation-free installers for CS3, which still runs on W10, but you had to exchange your original serial numbers for new ones to get these, and the offer has now been withdrawn. They didn't bother providing alternative CS4 installers when they killed the activation servers back in April, so they presumably won't do this for CS5 or CS6 either. A boxed £2300 CS4 Master Collection, last sold in 2010, is now worthless. As usual, 'anti-piracy' methods harm legitimate purchasers rather than pirates, who just crack this stuff.

 

[LongLensPhotography]

As usual, 'anti-piracy' methods harm legitimate purchasers rather than pirates, who just crack this stuff.

Besides they stop current subscription users from running software on the road or on the plane

 

[Cobra]

Discs or archived downloads won't help when you are dependent on online activation.

I can't remember how, now, but its easy to remove the part that is read during on line activation.

so they presumably won't do this for CS5 or CS6 either.

However, should it becomes the case, that CS5 no longer works, I'm 100% NOT going to the cloud.
I'll just use infinity ( that I paid about 40 quid for) exclusively rather than for stacking and other tweaks that it does better than CS5.

 

[saltireblue]

I thought M'soft said 10 was going to be the last upgrade, and that all that would come in the future was bug fixes and security fixes as and when necessary?

 

[Retune]

I can't remember how, now, but its easy to remove the part that is read during on line activation.

However, should it becomes the case, that CS5 no longer works, I'm 100% NOT going to the cloud.
I'll just use infinity ( that I paid about 40 quid for) exclusively rather than for stacking and other tweaks that it does better than CS5.

I think the only way to get around this involves downloading and trusting a hacked .dll from some dodgy site, like the pirates do. Whether this is wise or legal is another matter. But it does raise the question of who the real software thieves are, when a company is using DRM to deprive you of the product you paid for.

One of several things Affinity has going for it is there's no need for online activation, at least in the version you buy from their own site. So you'll be able to re-install it as long as it is compatible with your computer.

 

[Retune]

Besides they stop current subscription users from running software on the road or on the plane

Yes, an extra 'feature' of the subscription model. But even though this wasn't necessary with CS, the software had already been quietly tied to the cloud by the requirement for activation. With CC, you have to pay every month or year or you can't use it. With CS, the 'perpetual' licence really just means a decade or so, at least if you need to re-install.

 

[hashcake]

They have an app to check for compatibility here:

Windows 11: Windows Copilot, Features and Benefits | Microsoft Windows

Discover Copilot on Windows 11 and features that boost productivity, creativity, and more. Upgrade your everyday with the latest version of Windows 11 from Microsoft.

www.microsoft.com

More on this:

Windows 11 is free, but your CPU might not be officially supported

TPM and CPU changes have led to some confusion.

www.theverge.com

Thanks for those.
I knew my desktop wouldn't be compatible as MS stopped pushing updates to it quite some time ago.
Luckily my laptop will be compatible but it's a 9th gen i7 so I wonder how long it will be before Win 11 no longer offers updates.
I think that backwards compatibilty from 8th gen Intel CPU's is fair
My desktop is only 4th gen but it's still good for being used a general server and running Plex media server.

 

[Box Brownie]

I thought M'soft said 10 was going to be the last upgrade, and that all that would come in the future was bug fixes and security fixes as and when necessary?

MS seems to be (trying to) leveraging a step change to towards 'improvements' based on how the heck can they monetise everything in a changing software/hardware landscape.

IMO that is especially, it seems, so in terms of only MS account based logins being there in W11 (subject to previously mentioned, not so in Pro version of the OS???) thus locking all MS users into a monetised environment

 

[Cobra]

MS seems to be (trying to) leveraging a step change to towards 'improvements' based on how the heck can they monetise everything in a changing software/hardware landscape.

IMO that is especially, it seems, so in terms of only MS account based logins being there in W11 (subject to previously mentioned, not so in Pro version of the OS???) thus locking all MS users into a monetised environment

The more this happens the more I'm looking at MAC ...

/ off to wash my mouth out with soap and water

 

[hashcake]

I'm going to be very irritated if I can't move that start button and the other icons to the left.

I've been using Stardock Start 10 so I didn't have to use the stupid default for the start button.
Most apps I use are on the taskbar, it's not very often I need to click on the start but like you, having the start button in the middle will annoy the hell out me as well.

 

[Dryce]

I have watched most of this and...........

Unlike W10 where you can have a local account to login etc, with W11 you must have an MS account.................so I surmise W11 will be phoning home one heck of lot more than W10 plus what are the odds that there might be a progressive shift to a cloud based OS and a subscription model ??? Just saying

They have increasingly masked the facility to have a local account in W10 Home.

I suspect many people installing W10 Home end up being 'forced' to use a MS account because of the way they are directed during the install.

 

[Retune]

Thanks for those.
I knew my desktop wouldn't be compatible as MS stopped pushing updates to it quite some time ago.
Luckily my laptop will be compatible but it's a 9th gen i7 so I wonder how long it will be before Win 11 no longer offers updates.
I think that backwards compatibilty from 8th gen Intel CPU's is fair
My desktop is only 4th gen but it's still good for being used a general server and running Plex media server.

If your desktop hasn't had updates in a while, there may be something else going on there. The old W10 desktop I was using until recently, with neither a W11 qualifying CPU nor TPM installed, was still getting them. I would run Windows Update manually and see if there's a problem.

 

[hashcake]

I thought M'soft said 10 was going to be the last upgrade, and that all that would come in the future was bug fixes and security fixes as and when necessary?

That was the original plan when Win 10 was released, yet again MS changed their mind.

 

[Retune]

I've been using Stardock Start 10 so I didn't have to use the stupid default for the start button.
Most apps I use are on the taskbar, it's not very often I need to click on the start but like you, having the start button in the middle will annoy the hell out me as well.

Some of the stuff I've read since suggests there'll be a setting to change the position back to the left. I also prefer a third party Start menu, though (Classic Shell / Open Shell).

 

[hashcake]

Some of the stuff I've read since suggests there'll be a setting to change the position back to the left. I also prefer a third party Start menu, though (Classic Shell / Open Shell).

I totally forgot about those when I originally bought Start 8 but free updates and the best £3 I've ever spent.

 

[hashcake]

So MS will allow Android apps under Win 11.
What a fantastic idea, rather than carry my life around on a small device in my pocket I will switch to taking the laptop instead....

 

[Cobra]

Going on the required Spec, my desk top will easily handle W11
But I decided to download the app, just to be sure.
It seems I need W10 to do this.
W7 rules

 

[hashcake]

Going on the required Spec, my desk top will easily handle W11
But I decided to download the app, just to be sure.
It seems I need W10 to do this.
W7 rules

Well I knew you were an old git, I didn't realise your desktop was prehistoric

 

[Cobra]

Well I knew you were an old git, I didn't realise your desktop was prehistoric

It's not its bang upto date following a massive upgrade, and W7 is stable.
W10 now seems stable, I may switch, I may not.

I'll just use infinity ( that I paid about 40 quid for) exclusively

Talking of Affinity its on special at the moment
£23.99 for MAC & PC

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affinity.serif.com

 

[LongLensPhotography]

So MS will allow Android apps under Win 11.
What a fantastic idea, rather than carry my life around on a small device in my pocket I will switch to taking the laptop instead....

1. Developers will be pleased. It really simplifies testing, etc.
2. If you think longer term this could be a precursor to many things including all apps eventually moved to android compatible code. That would be great if fact because for a consumer it would open a lot more choice.

 

[inkiboo]

I find it hilarious that people are still talking about Windows 7!