Win 10

Sorrry, really struggling replying to this thread from my phone! I think its the animotes!
 
``Can you change what you want to install, I for one wouldnt use cortana on a desktop, I also dont like the icons, can you keep the Win7 start screen, by reading through the Win10 threads it would appear Win10 can turn into a bit of a monster.
 
I'm using an all in one Dell 8.1 Windows (about 6 months old). I keep getting the pop up to install Windows 10. If I do is it,
1, Straight forward,
2, Will I have to put photoshop, lightroom, Steam, Nero and other programs back on,
3, Is it worth moving up to Windows 10?
 
Daverkl said:
I'm using an all in one Dell 8.1 Windows (about 6 months old). I keep getting the pop up to install Windows 10. If I do is it,
1, Straight forward,
2, Will I have to put photoshop, lightroom, Steam, Nero and other programs back on,
3, Is it worth moving up to Windows 10?
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Maybe.

Yes.

NO!
 
It's usually easy (just click the pop up & wait while it downloads). Any installed software stays installed, and you can revert to 8.1 at any time during the first 28 days.

Is it worth it? Hard to say really - I have done it recently onto a new SSD, it *might* be just a little quicker than W8.1, but outside of that I am not aware of any benefits since 8.1 worked really well anyway.
 
ancient_mariner said:
It's usually easy (just click the pop up & wait while it downloads). Any installed software stays installed, and you can revert to 8.1 at any time during the first 28 days.

Is it worth it? Hard to say really - I have done it recently onto a new SSD, it *might* be just a little quicker than W8.1, but outside of that I am not aware of any benefits since 8.1 worked really well anyway.
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Looks like I'll be staying where I am then.
 
Daverkl said:
I'm using an all in one Dell 8.1 Windows (about 6 months old). I keep getting the pop up to install Windows 10. If I do is it,
1, Straight forward,
2, Will I have to put photoshop, lightroom, Steam, Nero and other programs back on,
3, Is it worth moving up to Windows 10?
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The correct answers are:

1. yes

2. NO, the upgrade from 8.1 does not delete your programs or settings

3. Probably, win 10 has a better UI and feels faster in use than 8.1 on all the machines I've used it on.
 
Daverkl said:
Now I want it again :LOL:
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Try it, you can always roll back if you don't like it. On my main laptop I found it good enough from release day. It was a bit crap on my Asus T100 at release and I rolled it back to 8.1 and after hearing they had sorted the issues with sleep, touch and tablet mode I tried it again about 3 weeks ago and it's much better now, definitely better than 8.1.

Probably not of interest to you, but the way they have got auto switch between laptop and tablet modes on the T100 is hugely better.
 
I am still quite happy with XP and Win 7 with ALL updates turned off - yes that's right I NEVER update anything and now run virtually everything in VMs to protect against the odd attempt (if any) to hack my machine.

And now, apparently, Microsoft is using machines running Win 10 as servers to distribute all the updates they have.

So your PC could be used as part of a giant botnet with all the dangers that entails.

One researcher (Steve Gibson of www.grc.com) has described it as a "Flying turd of an operating system" and says he will never use it and I'm inclined to agree with him.
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Ive jumped my windows 7 machine to Zorin. I'm amazed at how good it is.
 
petersmart said:
I am still quite happy with XP and Win 7 with ALL updates turned off - yes that's right I NEVER update anything and now run virtually everything in VMs to protect against the odd attempt (if any) to hack my machine.
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The fact you are steadfastly sticking to XP and basic 7 without updates tells a lot about your IT acumen.

petersmart said:
And now, apparently, Microsoft is using machines running Win 10 as servers to distribute all the updates they have.

So your PC could be used as part of a giant botnet with all the dangers that entails.
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And it's SO hard to just turn the feature off? One tab click from "On" to "Off"...

http://www.howtogeek.com/224981/how...ading-updates-to-other-pcs-over-the-internet/

petersmart said:
One researcher (Steve Gibson of www.grc.com) has described it as a "Flying turd of an operating system" and says he will never use it and I'm inclined to agree with him.
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We understand, you agree and pontificate about something you have never used or experienced? That's the type of person who really has a good understanding of everything.

Have you heard that gas lighting has been superseded by this newfangled thing called electricity? ;)
 
neil_g said:
the distributed update delivery can be turned off or limited to machines on your local network for starters.
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I'm running w10 on my development machine, since I just got a shiny new one so the first thing I did was to put a shiny new OS on it, and it was set to off by default.
 
neil_g said:
good lord.

the distributed update delivery can be turned off or limited to machines on your local network for starters.

as for the running of xp and 7 with no updates. wont even comment on that.
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Really? And you comment on so many things Neil..:D

All I can say is that I have NEVER had a problem on my computers with ALL updates turned off.

And since I surf only sites I trust and inside VMs even if anything got into one of my VMs it's a simple task to turn it off and shred it.

I don't know if you remember but about a year or so ago I did a test with deliberately infecting an experimental VM with CryptoLocker - the VM had Avast installed and it zapped it immediately leaving my host computer (the REAL PC) uninfected.

Also Symantec has admitted that about 30% of all viruses are zero day exploits which cannot be detected by any AV software until they are widely known by which time, if you get one, it's too late.

And unlike most people I store NOTHING on my PC, everything I use to surf and the VMs are on an encrypted external USB3 SSD which is only on when I need the VMs (like this one I'm using now).

And since it is totally encrypted by TrueCrypt when unmounted it doesn't even register as a HDD at all so nothing can get onto it.

And the PC I use to edit my photos and Films on is rarely if ever connected to the 'Net and again all my photos and films are backed up to external HDDs.

The only AV software I have is Avast, to check files, and MalwareBytes which I use to do a weekly sweep of my surfing PC.

And as far as I'm concerned the proof of my approach is that I've never been infected with anything despite all the dire warnings.

And even if I was it wouldn't matter since a total reinstall of WIN 7 only takes a little while and all I need do then is re-install VirtualBox and TrueCrypt and all my programs etc are back to where they were - simples! :)
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I went for a test last week, I installed a fresh build from bootable USB of W10 on to an older but quite high spec HP pro book.
have to say it went very smooth indeed and was up and running in under a few hours.

Some nice touches like metered connections.
all seems slick to me, my chromecast and office 2013 installed fine.
 
Dave1 said:
The fact you are steadfastly sticking to XP and basic 7 without updates tells a lot about your IT acumen.
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If it works why fix it is my motto - both XP and Win 7 still do everything I want to do on my PC so why on earth should I go for something else?

By gutting XP with Nlite and getting rid of a lot of the crap I never used I can create a simple 1 or 2GB VM which contains XP with Opera and Firefox and is perfect for safely surfing the 'Net (like this site).
 
Its similar in the Mac world - I upgrade within a week of new iOS despite so many 'scare stories' but it works great first time and never any issues.

Funnily enough I am just about to buy a laptop for my son which will come with Win 8 and was planning on doing the free upgrade to 10 straight away.
 
neil_g said:
im not going to waste my breath to be honest, and hope that most of the people reading the comment would have some common sense.

last thing, symantec wouldn't be my choice for any advice.
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I leave people to make up their own minds too, all I can say is that my approach works and I am perfectly happy with it.

But I would add one note of warning - unless you implement the measures I have then YES, you probably should update your systems AND use a good, paid for AV (some free AVs are now installing Adware).

My method of working is perfect for me since I understand the issues involved and use the methods I do to make myself secure.

Unless you also understand all the issues then you may be better following the usual advice.

And, sometimes, Neil's..:D
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petersmart, you appear to make me want to bang my head against a brick wall.
Unpatched VMs on an unpatched host - not going to afford you any kind of protection. There are plenty of ways to compromise a host operating sytsem from within a VM. Especially if the hypervisor is unpatched.

You'd be better off running tails on a disposable laptop if you want to be that paranoid and afford any real benefit from the hoops you're jumping through.
 
afasoas said:
petersmart, you appear to make me want to bang my head against a brick wall.
Unpatched VMs on an unpatched host - not going to afford you any kind of protection. There are plenty of ways to compromise a host operating sytsem from within a VM. Especially if the hypervisor is unpatched.

You'd be better off running tails on a disposable laptop if you want to be that paranoid and afford any real benefit from the hoops you're jumping through.
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I was thinking exactly that its like turning the boiler up to full to heat the house instead of shutting the windows.

Do you have a burner smart phone as well so aliens cant track you?
 
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afasoas said:
petersmart, you appear to make me want to bang my head against a brick wall.
Unpatched VMs on an unpatched host - not going to afford you any kind of protection. There are plenty of ways to compromise a host operating sytsem from within a VM. Especially if the hypervisor is unpatched.

You'd be better off running tails on a disposable laptop if you want to be that paranoid and afford any real benefit from the hoops you're jumping through.
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Well if it's so bad why have I NEVER had a single attack, or lost any data through an attack?

And why have my OS's never been compromised?

Firefox will occasionally warn me about a specific site and I usually avoid such sites but otherwise no problems.

And I certainly can't see the point about Tails - this is not about anonymity but safety.

And there are no hoops, working as I do is as simple as using an ordinary PC with the difference being that all my programs are in self contained VMs which, if necessary, can easily be relocated to any other machine I wish in just a few minutes.
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Mr Bump said:
I was thinking exactly that its like turning the boiler up to full to heat the house instead of shutting the windows.

Do you have a burner smart phone as well so aliens cant track you?
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You obviously missed the point I was making completely.

Nothing was mentioned about anonymity in my postings or the NSA or any other 3 letter agency.

It was simply about keeping my data safe from all the various threats a PC is supposedly subject to.

And I do and it is also super convenient - a point which you don't seem to understand.

If your PC ever crashes how long will it take you to get it back to the point it's at now, with all programs etc fully restored and no data lost?

For me no more than a couple of hours, if that.
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Well i bit the bullet & did the win 10 upgrade to try it for a few weeks, maybe see how it goes.
So far i don,t see anything that is not working as it should be,apart from an old EA game MOHAA,but it might get sorted i don,t know.
my desk top looks the same with my photos as the background,i still use firefox,see how it goes.:)
 
I too bit the bullet had a wee go with my notepad yesterday afternoon.

It took quite a few hours, told me to dump an Auslogic program then said Ccleaner and Bluetooth wouldn't work.

Persevered this morning and was changing the weather settings, needed a restart and there it sits!

"Your computer has developed a problem and we will restart for you"..........Aye, right, it just switches off the computer!

After many goes, it gave me the option of reverting to the previous build and that's where it sits with a spinning wheel.

Deep joy, hopefully Win7 will remerge in a couple of days!
 
Nightmare,well my desktop installed it all without any problems at all,i was really surprised at how smoothly it all went.
I thought i would have been reverting back to 8.1 by now but it is all running smoothly,so i will give it a few more weeks & see.
 
I decided to keep win10 after upgrading from 7. After a test period to make sure everything was fine, i did a clean install of win10 again just to clear any old unneeded win7 files. After upgrading once, you can directly install win10 and skip the page where it asks for a product key.
 
If it stays behaving itself for a few weeks then i think i will be happy with it.:):D
 
I'm presently considering reverting to W8.1. Dell/Intel don't have a W10 specific video driver for this chipset and the recommended W8.1 video driver keeps crashing and restarting, plus some applications (office 2013, Lightroom 5.7 for example) don't get output at native resolution to an external screen as they should, and it mostly refuses to recognise my NAS on the network. Those are the real niggles, but it's also disappointing that it won't automatically cycle through screen backgrounds, though it doesn't really matter.

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Re: native resolution - a little further testing showed that if I boot the machine to the screen BEFORE login, shut the lid and then click on that screen to get to the login page, everything runs at native resolution on my external monitor. Otherwise, no matter how I set up the output for that monitor, even if the machine thinks it's outputting at 1920:1200, apps show munged text and graphics.

I also managed to reconnect to the NAS last night purely by chance, and have mapped it as a network drive now in the hope it will always reconnect in future now it 'knows' that it is there.
 
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Maybe someone might know the answer to this,if i reverted back to win 8.1 would i be able to reinstall win 10 if i changed my mind.:):D
 
jockwav said:
... if i reverted back to win 8.1 would i be able to reinstall win 10 if i changed my mind.:):D
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Hope so! I downloaded W10 today (took less than an hour) and wrote the iso file to a dvd. A bit nervous about beginning ... tedious, really.
 
Well my upgrade to win 10 went fine & so far it is all running smoothly.:)
 
My netbook seemed to work fine after upgrading to Win10 but, as soon as it was restarted, it would shut off again!

I persevered with Win10 repairs but each time it was fine running but would never restart.

Now reverted to factory settings and on the very long way back to updating Win7.

This of course means numerous restarts, all of which have went swimmingly so far!
 
Sometimes i wish i would just leave things alone if they are working.:)o_O
 
Unless the horse got lame or a wheel broke ...

Upgrade in progress - 44%
 
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