Why withold Exif info!

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Why do people withold exif info? so annoying when you are trying to learn about settings etc when you see a piccy then no exif info.

Common guys if we can see it then it has got to help surely :shrug:
 
Maybe because a lot of people are using 'save for web' options, which reduces the pain in the ass that is colour/sharpness differences between what's on the screen in the editing program and what appears on flickr, photobucket etc - but also removes the exif at the same time.
 
Briony said:
Why do people withold exif info? so annoying when you are trying to learn about settings etc when you see a piccy then no exif info.

Common guys if we can see it then it has got to help surely :shrug:
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If it's hosted by flickr, it gets stripped out and placed on flickr instead. Also in some programs using the save for web option will just remove it. It's often not intentional!

Doh! Beaten to it!
 
My bugbear on photography forums ( this one is no exception ) is photographers posting there images and not stating which lens/camera were used. Most people I think would like to know this at the very least and the full exif would be an added bonus if possible.
 
EXIF only tells you half the story.
Of more use would be for the OP to list the settings in the post itself and explain why they chose those settings over others.
Why this shutter speed - why this aperture - why this ISO...
Some are obviously constrained by the situational conditions, but that would give you a better idea as to the photographer's thinking behind the image before he actually took it.
 
Jimmy_Lemon said:
Since when?
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Since the recent changes to Flickr were made, the EXIF has been stripped from all but the original size. If you uplad the full size then any that you post to the forum will be without EXIF.

That said, if you use the BB code, the viewer can click on the image and go to Flickr where the EXIF can be viewed.
 
I have never intentionally stripped my data out of photos, yet when hosted here from Flickr it does not appear. If someone can tell me how to get round this (other than clicking to my Flickr site) then I'm all ears.
 
Wookee said:
I have never intentionally stripped my data out of photos, yet when hosted here from Flickr it does not appear. If someone can tell me how to get round this (other than clicking to my Flickr site) then I'm all ears.
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Host on Photobucket :thumbs:

I do and all my EXIF is retained

Les :thumbs:
 
Wookee said:
I have never intentionally stripped my data out of photos, yet when hosted here from Flickr it does not appear. If someone can tell me how to get round this (other than clicking to my Flickr site) then I'm all ears.
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As Marc just said, it's only kept on the original size, so if you upload a 1200 x 800 image, the original is too large to post here, so you lose the exif data. If you post at a size suitable for the forum, you can then use the original size from Flickr as your image here, and the exif will be in tact. (Yes, it's a PITA.....)

Steve
 
It's only since starting the POTY this year that I realised that the EXIF data was missing from my photo's because I was using the save for web option in PS. Since finding out about this I have changed my work flow so that the EXIF data is intact.

I don't think anyone would intentionally strip out the EXIF data, whats the point?

I find now when looking at images on the forum if a particular image grabs my attention I will examine the EXIF to try and understand how the picure was achieved.
 
Jelster said:
As Marc just said, it's only kept on the original size, so if you upload a 1200 x 800 image, the original is too large to post here, so you lose the exif data. If you post at a size suitable for the forum, you can then use the original size from Flickr as your image here, and the exif will be in tact. (Yes, it's a PITA.....)

Steve
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I'm guessing you mean when I'm originally posting to Flickr? If so this sounds easier than having a photobucket account as I can just post more than one copy of the same image to my Flick account and use the suitable sized one for here.
 
As an exif sinner, I don't deliberately withold the information but do use "save for web" when saving an image to be hosted on the forum gallery as it's a pain to try to do it any other way. I rarely use flickr and as said it removes it automatically on anything suitable for direct link on the forum.
 
Wookee said:
I'm guessing you mean when I'm originally posting to Flickr? If so this sounds easier than having a photobucket account as I can just post more than one copy of the same image to my Flick account and use the suitable sized one for here.
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You can do it that way. Just remember that if you upload a 1024 x 683 (for example) you will only get the exif when you link to the Original Size, not the 1024 x 683 selection.

Steve
 
gramps said:
As an exif sinner, I don't deliberately withold the information but do use "save for web" when saving an image to be hosted on the forum gallery as it's a pain to try to do it any other way. I rarely use flickr and as said it removes it automatically on anything suitable for direct link on the forum.
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why not just use "Save As" :shrug:


Les :thumbs:
 
so how come my entry for the POTY in March (hosted on flickr) displays the exif when i right click it in the forum and display with KUSO Exif Viewer?

is it getting the exif data from flickr or is it contained in the image i uploaded to the forum?
 
Lez325 said:
why not just use "Save As" :shrug:


Les :thumbs:
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"Save As" just saves 'as is' whereas "Save for Web" allows a change of size to fit the forum image and file sizes.
 
gramps said:
"Save As" just saves 'as is' whereas "Save for Web" allows a change of size to fit the forum image and file sizes.
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I always save a full sized image on my external hard drive- then add text to the image if required, then - re-size the image to say 800 x 600 in Photoshop Elements 9 and "save as" for internet forum use -- Simples :D:D


Les :thumbs:
 
fabs said:
Since the recent changes to Flickr were made, the EXIF has been stripped from all but the original size. If you uplad the full size then any that you post to the forum will be without EXIF.

That said, if you use the BB code, the viewer can click on the image and go to Flickr where the EXIF can be viewed.
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Ah...I only ever use original size, which would explain why I hadn't spotted that.
 
Gazamonk said:
My bugbear on photography forums ( this one is no exception ) is photographers posting there images and not stating which lens/camera were used. Most people I think would like to know this at the very least and the full exif would be an added bonus if possible.
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why - would knowing a canon took the shot rather than a nikon? ita not going to help you take better pictures
 
I use flickr which rips off the exif as I am not pro so I can't get to the original to post. I also think your supposed to provide a back link to the image on flickr anyway as the T+C requires it.

Must admit it's annoying though, I just hope it's not removing the IPTC info as well with all my copyright and contact info though.
 
to be honest i think my web/low res export config in lightroom has minimal data set.

you could always ask the person who posted the image what settings they used as they have the original...
 
neil_g said:
shouldnt do, lightroom keeps my IPTC data there and it shows when going to "view exif" in flickr.
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Yes but if I post on here all that EXIF which can be viewed on flickr isn't stored in the image being shown. If I want that I need to go pro and link to the original sized image.

What I am concerned with (and will check later if no one else does) is that along with the EXIF the IPTC data which is far more important to me, goes too. Meaning when I do strike it lucky the finder might not be able to contact me if (for what ever reason) the back link to the flickr page is gone.
 
Lez325 said:
I always save a full sized image on my external hard drive- then add text to the image if required, then - re-size the image to say 800 x 600 in Photoshop Elements 9 and "save as" for internet forum use -- Simples :D:D


Les :thumbs:
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I also save the full sized image to HDD but how does re-sizing that to 800x600 obtain the acceptable file size?
A full sized image reduced to 800x600 can still produce an image of several meg, whereas the forum requires not more than 200Kb.

Saving for web allows the full sized image to be reduced in literal size and file size so that it is available for forum use in basically one procedure.
 
gramps said:
I also save the full sized image to HDD but how does re-sizing that to 800x600 obtain the acceptable file size?
A full sized image reduced to 800x600 can still produce an image of several meg, whereas the forum requires not more than 200Kb.

Saving for web allows the full sized image to be reduced in literal size and file size so that it is available for forum use in basically one procedure.
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When you Save as in photoshop, you can adjust the file size using the slider. I would think there's something seriously wrong if an 800 pixel image is several megabytes.
 
it's only a 200kb limit for images uploaded to your gallery on TP, not for images linked from flickr.
 
Just saved down an image of mine from POTY which was on Flickr. The EXIF is all empty and the IPTC data is pretty sparse also. Only the keywords, By-line and Copyright remain, which isn't great. I know there should also be an email, website, and some other details all of which are missing.

Think I will try fit my url into the byline this evening so at least going forward I have something in there.

I am also going to email Flickr and see what their stance is on this as I think removing the contact info from the image is not really on.
 
Flickr doesn't strip the exif data it merely moves it.

If you click on the model of camera used where I've ringed in this picture, it shows all the exif data if you didn't save for web.

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There's no need to go looking for it, it's still there. Stupidly Flickr choose not to highlight this in any way, I found it by accident.
 
maninsuitcase said:
Yes but if I post on here all that EXIF which can be viewed on flickr isn't stored in the image being shown. If I want that I need to go pro and link to the original sized image.

What I am concerned with (and will check later if no one else does) is that along with the EXIF the IPTC data which is far more important to me, goes too. Meaning when I do strike it lucky the finder might not be able to contact me if (for what ever reason) the back link to the flickr page is gone.
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just checked a couple i linked to on here and the copyright data appears on a right click -> view exif using a FF plugin

(see image here for example - http://www.talkphotography.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=307328 )
 
fabs said:
Why not use Image>Image Size then Save as?
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fabs said:
When you Save as in photoshop, you can adjust the file size using the slider. I would think there's something seriously wrong if an 800 pixel image is several megabytes.
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Yes, just retried and it does work that way, I've obviously been doing it wrong before!
I just latched on "Save for Web" as it seemed an easy one-step way of getting an image into the TP Gallery.
 
just as a note, sometimes the JPG size slider doesnt go down far enough. example we have some TIFFs from our product photographer at work that wont save down under 2mb for JPG using the slider, but using the save for web will go much lower.

obviously that depends what sort of quality youre after.
 
ChrisH said:
Flickr doesn't strip the exif data it merely moves it.

If you click on the model of camera used where I've ringed in this picture, it shows all the exif data if you didn't save for web.
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That may be the case, but if your displaying the image out side of flickr (ie using the sharing code) then you have 2 clicks to get to the exif.

Here's an example :some one saves off the image, then wants to buy it/commission me (unlikely but not the point). They no longer have the link, and as the EXIF and ITPC containing my email, phone number and web site is gone you can't contact me.

And as I have a common name Googling is a pointless exercise as I don't even hit the top 5 pages for either just my name or my name and photography.

edit: I do watermark all my images now with my url so this is kind of moot but it's an example of why i think ripping out contact details is bad.
 
maninsuitcase said:
That may be the case, but if your displaying the image out side of flickr (ie using the sharing code) then you have 2 clicks to get to the exif.

Here's an example :some one saves off the image, then wants to buy it/commission me (unlikely but not the point). They no longer have the link, and as the EXIF and ITPC containing my email, phone number and web site is gone you can't contact me.

And as I have a common name Googling is a pointless exercise as I don't even hit the top 5 pages for either just my name or my name and photography.

edit: I do watermark all my images now with my url so this is kind of moot but it's an example of why i think ripping out contact details is bad.
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as above, flickr retains ITPC info. even if you save the image down from another source (i.e. a forum) the data is still there on the physical image file that is downloaded :)
 
neil_g said:
as above, flickr retains ITPC info. even if you save the image down from another source (i.e. a forum) the data is still there on the physical image file that is downloaded :)
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I have just double checked and there is a massive amount of IPTC info missing from a image of mine I did save as from the flickr served image. I filled in most the fields in Lightroom under creator, and only the by line is showing. A re-export shows 7 more fields filled in than the flickr image.

Image EXIF checked in Preview on OSX 10.6.
 
When i look at images on this site that are linked to from Flickr i never manage to view the Exif data for that image. The only way to see the EXIF is by clicking on the image which will take you to flickr and click on the camera model link available on the flickr page.

This is quite annoying for one reason. When someone saves an image i displayed in a post by right clicking and selecting "save as", the image that he manages to save does not have any Exif data in it so if you put any copyright information on the exif it will not be included if someone saves your image.
 
ziggy© said:
When i look at images on this site that are linked to from Flickr i never manage to view the Exif data for that image. The only way to see the EXIF is by clicking on the image which will take you to flickr and click on the camera model link available on the flickr page.

This is quite annoying for one reason. When someone saves an image i displayed in a post by right clicking and selecting "save as", the image that he manages to save does not have any Exif data in it so if you put any copyright information on the exif it will not be included if someone saves your image.
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Read up, it does save some copyright data :)
 
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