Why are people buying electric cars?

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Pound Coin said:
Tell us how much oil is left, and when the price starts rising as it runs out.
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Aggh so you have bought into the woke agenda. The north sea has plenty of oil that we can get very cheaply we just need a government that isn't far left and pushing a woke agenda to drill baby drill.
 
f/2.8 said:
Aggh so you have bought into the woke agenda. The north sea has plenty of oil that we can get very cheaply we just need a government that isn't far left and pushing a woke agenda to drill baby drill.
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It is unfortunate to dismiss science as woke.
 
f/2.8 said:
Aggh so you have bought into the woke agenda. The north sea has plenty of oil that we can get very cheaply we just need a government that isn't far left and pushing a woke agenda to drill baby drill.
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Weird how the story changes depending on the audience. We Scots were assured 11 years ago that NS oil was going to run out by now. That's not the point however, burning oil is killing the planet, that's why we should stop using it.
 
This whole thing is driven by the increase in CO2 which I cannot argue against but in the last 20 or so years cars have become very very clean and more economical. They are getting the main blame, but think of all the wild fire that have happened in the past few years. Possibly as a result of CO2 increase, I don't know.
Then the industrial output of the countries like the USA, Russia, China, India and host of others too. I am in UK and according to world CO2 assessment we produce perhaps 2-3% of all CO2.

The standard oft quoted here is a comparison with the start of the industrial revolution with the increase of coal mining, railways ship, building, but is that all they actually bother to consider in their calculations? Possibly not but they are the most convenient!

The worlds population in the early 18th C when the increase in productivity took off was about .8 billion today it is approaching 8 billion. According to the WHO figures the average human being just going about his ordinary day to day business each produces roughly 1 kilogram of CO2 so the production of CO2 is in theory not down to use of cars, burning fossil fuels, wild fires I would suggest that this increase is down to us as individuals who are alive. Not what we burn petrol in cars and all other things, it is each individual alive! So really there is no acceptable actual solution which can be applied to cure the over population of the world we can only put off the possible inevitable.

I have checked the google figure for AD 1700 which is the start of industrialisation and the population is estimated at less than 1 Billion. not 1.75 Billion
 
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Steep said:
Weird how the story changes depending on the audience. We Scots were assured 11 years ago that NS oil was going to run out by now. That's not the point however, burning oil is killing the planet, that's why we should stop using it.
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Are you really surprised that the government is telling lies.

In what way? Global warming, they haven't been able to prove that. They then switched to climate change, they can't prove that either.

You could take every car of the road tomorrow morning and it and replace with E.V's and it would make zero difference. E.V production is more harmful to the environment than everyone having a petrol car. its complete nonsense.
 
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f/2.8 said:
Are you really surprised that the government is telling lies.

In what way? Global warming, they haven't been able to prove that. They then switched to climate change, they can't prove that either.

You could take every car of the road tomorrow morning and it and replace with E.V's and it would make zero difference. E.V production is more harmful to the environment than everyone having a petrol car. its complete nonsense.
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"They" it's always "they"..

And you can't prove any of that nonsense either.
 
NorthEastCamera said:
This whole thing is driven by the increase in CO2 which I cannot argue against but in the last 20 or so years cars have become very very clean and more economical. They are getting the main blame, but think of all the wild fire that have happened in the past few years. Possibly as a result of CO2 increase, I don't know.
Then the industrial output of the countries like the USA, Russia, China, India and host of others too. I am in UK and according to world CO2 assessment we produce perhaps 2-3% of all CO2.

The standard oft quoted here is a comparison with the start of the industrial revolution with the increase of coal mining, railways ship, building, but is that all they actually bother to consider in their calculations? Possibly not but they are the most convenient!

The worlds population in the early 18th C when the increase in productivity took off was about 1.75 billion today it is approaching 8 billion. According to the WHO figures the average human being just going about his ordinary day to day business each produces roughly 1 kilogram of CO2 so the production of CO" is in theory not down to use of cars, burning fossil fuels, wild fires I would suggest that this increase is down to us as individuals who are alive. Not what we burn in cars and all other things, it is each individual alive! So really there is no acceptable actual solution which can be applied to cure the over population of the world we can only put off the possible inevitable.

I have checked the google figure for AD 1700 which is the start of industrialisation and the population is estimated at less than 1 Billion. not 1.75 Billion
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Here is some data for you.

ourworldindata.org

COâ emissions

How much COâ does the world emit? Which countries emit the most?
ourworldindata.org ourworldindata.org
 
Climate change is happening now, the evidence is overwhelming
Even in my own experience admittedly small scale I can see the changes in nature over the years as I have been watching and photographing in the UK
The only thing that is debatable is what we can do about it, I’m not perfect, I still drive a petrol car but I do what I can in my own way to help nature, our garden and allotment are nature friendly and we dont eat meat
 
f/2.8 said:
We do.

Not even in doubt, look at their policies, the way the country is being run into the ground.
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You think the UK was not being run into the ground before Labour won the last election?
 
LCPete said:
Climate change is happening now, the evidence is overwhelming
Even in my own experience admittedly small scale I can see the changes in nature over the years as I have been watching and photographing in the UK
The only thing that is debatable is what we can do about it, I’m not perfect, I still drive a petrol car but I do what I can in my own way to help nature, our garden and allotment are nature friendly and we dont eat meat
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Explain the historical evidence then. Changes in climate have happened since year one there was no petrol cars then.

It is complete nonsense.
 
Steep said:
You think the UK was not being run into the ground before Labour won the last election?
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It was but now its 10x worse, they were a bad lot as well.

Labour won't be winning the next one, neither will the other idots.
 
f/2.8 said:
Google it, I don't need to prove it, many people already have.
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Lol I can Google anything and get the answers I want as can you.
 
AndrewFlannigan said:
Of course, everyone is rushing to change to electric...
  • 41.2 million licensed vehicles,
  • 1,015,000 licensed zero emission vehicles,
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That's all vehicles inc HGVs, Buses and Motorbikes.

At the end of 2021, there were 396,945 electric cars, which represented 1.2% of all cars on the road and since then the number of electric cars has increased more than four-fold. As of the end of August 2025, there are over 1,600,000 fully electric cars in the UK. This means that around 4.78% of the c.34 million cars on UK roads are fully electric.
 
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f/2.8 said:
It was but now its 10x worse, they were a bad lot as well.

Labour won't be winning the next one, neither will the other idots.
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All I can say to that is thank **** Scotland has a way out. With a shining clean sustainable electric future.
 
Shipping and air travel contribute a large amount of pollution. I do not see why motorists, many of who need a car for work and general living are being penalised when unnecessary sports and pastimes like motor racing, speed boats, private aircraft, etc go untouched by legislation.
 
f/2.8 said:
Google it, I don't need to prove it, many people already have.
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It would help you if you could prove it.

Or, give links to stuff from the "many people".
 
Clive K said:
Shipping and air travel contribute a large amount of pollution. I do not see why motorists, many of who need a car for work and general living are being penalised when unnecessary sports and pastimes like motor racing, speed boats, private aircraft, etc go untouched by legislation.
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Nobody is being penalised, you still have a choice on which type of car/plane/boat you buy and will do so for another decade. It's only brand-new cars that have to be ICE free afterward, buying secondhand you're probably looking at 25 years or more before there is no choice.

I see this week a Tugboat powered by ammonia sailed for the first time, showing how to cut emissions from shipping (shipping account for around 3% of global emissions), the biggest transport hurdle will be long haul flights, short range flight will be much easier to change to free or very low emissions.
 
Clive K said:
Shipping and air travel contribute a large amount of pollution. I do not see why motorists, many of who need a car for work and general living are being penalised when unnecessary sports and pastimes like motor racing, speed boats, private aircraft, etc go untouched by legislation.
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I've highlighted the relevant bit.

What you are describing is an economy that has been built on fossil fuels. Fossil fuels that will run out and are helping to kill most life on the planet. You only need a car for work because you have been able to use a car to allow you to make work choices that weren't there 50 years ago.
 
Delphin said:
Nobody is being penalised, you still have a choice on which type of car/plane/boat you buy and will do so for another decade. It's only brand-new cars that have to be ICE free afterward, buying secondhand you're probably looking at 25 years or more before there is no choice.

I see this week a Tugboat powered by ammonia sailed for the first time, showing how to cut emissions from shipping (shipping account for around 3% of global emissions), the biggest transport hurdle will be long haul flights, short range flight will be much easier to change to free or very low emissions.
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Short haul flights can be dealt with by building high speed train lines, and by reducing the need/desire to travel short distances by plane.
 
Some people need a car to get to work, the public transport network simply is not there in many areas. What needs to change is the unnecessary journeys, if you go to one of the primary schools in our village then you live in our village, there is no need whatsoever to drive your child the 500 meters from home to the school.

Secondary school is the same, when I went, I can't remember a single person being taken by a parent, it was the bus, cycle or the 3 mile walk.
I see people in our street drive to the shop which is 209 meters away.
 
f/2.8 said:
Explain the historical evidence then. Changes in climate have happened since year one there was no petrol cars then.

It is complete nonsense.
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Don’t understand why you find my post funny
Of course the climate has always changed since prehistoric times, the difference now is the rate of change
It isn’t just cars that are the issue after burning fossil fuels the biggest cause of global climate change is agriculture namely livestock especially cattle farming as forests which otherwise would be absorbing carbon are cleared for cattle farming
 
Delphin said:
Some people need a car to get to work, the public transport network simply is not there in many areas. What needs to change is the unnecessary journeys, if you go to one of the primary schools in our village then you live in our village, there is no need whatsoever to drive your child the 500 meters from home to the school.

Secondary school is the same, when I went, I can't remember a single person being taken by a parent, it was the bus, cycle or the 3 mile walk.
I see people in our street drive to the shop which is 209 meters away.
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I was at a talk in our smallish town recently. They showed a photo of the bus station. With a bus to a village nearby, that currently has a population of just over 200. There used to be reasonable public transport (or as you note, walking and cycling) until car ownership exploded.

Quite agree on the walking to the shops. Car use is so engrained that people don't think driving 200 meters is about as selfish as you can get. (Yes, there are exceptions of people that can only get to the shops by driving, but they cannot be used as excuses for lazy and selfish behaviour by those that don't need to.)
 
I live near Aberdeen, the main shopping mall is just across the road from the ship quay.
The road is UlEZ and a main route to the shopping mall.
The ships and boats at the quay start up and expel lots of smoke which blows across the road.
And also get this, the shopping mall car park has another entrance which is a very short way from the ULEZ, which any one can use.
The car park costs quite a bit £3.50 for the first hour.
Its all a money grab by local government, the poor motorists and being hammered,
Electric cars are being now dropped by major manufacturers, so the supply will run out, the second hand value will be nothing.
Lots of the components to produce them have to mined, which is not green or eco.
I live in a new town, no charging points are installed, we did have one but it has been removed.
Some electric cars have serious problems and the car becomes totally immobile, resulting in it having to be dragged with its wheels locked on to the back of a recovery truck and it has a diesel engine !
So for the majority of us electric wont work, its unaffordable, unreliable, and too costly to maintain and they have no secondhand value..
The Jetsons is a modern-day fairy tail.
Now winter is looming, good luck for the electric car owners, reduced range etc, which means more charging which means more power has to be produced to keep up with demand.
Green, never in a million years.
Just goes to show, how propaganda really can work in reality.
On top of that electric cars are very expensive, and if they cost more than £40,000, the buyer is hit with a wealth tax, which I am led to believe is £400.
There is more, they are now subject to road tax, because the goal posts have been moved, its not about emissions, its about weight, and electric cars weigh a lot more than real cars.
They also go through brakes and tyres a lot more than normal cars, and all the brake dust and microscopic bits of rubber get to the water table and sea eventually, causes pollution and fish deaths, studies in Canada have shown. I know ordinary cars also produce that stuff, but electric cars do it more.
All I see is a massive con.
I am at the point that I would bet money on JLR will halt production of electric and go back to the ICE.
The other major players have, Ford just announced it last week.
Government's and politician's in general will say anything, but in real word how do they know more than us, what qualifies them to tell us.
They are not science savy or car manufacturers, don't for a moment think that because you see them on TV with a yellow jacket and a safety hat on that they really know anything about where they are or even what is being done there.
Walking through a factory or building site or a shipyard or a hospital means nothing, its just a show.
 
LCPete said:
Of course the climate has always changed since prehistoric times, the difference now is the rate of change
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How accurately, if at all, can we assess the rate of change before the current era?
LCPete said:
the biggest cause of global climate change is agriculture namely livestock especially cattle farming as forests which otherwise would be absorbing carbon are cleared for cattle farming
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I disagree with the first part of that statement, because the evidence seems to show that many wild bovines roamed the planet before humans began to domesticate them. It's possible that the bison herd, in what is now north America, was a major cause of deforestation as it grazed in its millions across what is now prairie land. It's also possible that other large wild bovine herds had a similar effect in eastern Europe.

I agree with the second part of your statement - excessive human deforestation cannot be a good idea but, on the other hand, how do we prevent it, outside of our own small island?
 
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Pound Coin said:
I was at a talk in our smallish town recently. They showed a photo of the bus station. With a bus to a village nearby, that currently has a population of just over 200. There used to be reasonable public transport (or as you note, walking and cycling) until car ownership exploded.

Quite agree on the walking to the shops. Car use is so engrained that people don't think driving 200 meters is about as selfish as you can get. (Yes, there are exceptions of people that can only get to the shops by driving, but they cannot be used as excuses for lazy and selfish behaviour by those that don't need to.)
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Nobody drives 200 meters more lefty nonsense.
 
Oldbones said:
...don't for a moment think that because you see them on TV with a yellow jacket and a safety hat on that they really know anything about where they are or even what is being done there.
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I agree.

As the saying goes: "How do you know when a politician is lying? Their lips are moving."
 
LCPete said:
Don’t understand why you find my post funny
Of course the climate has always changed since prehistoric times, the difference now is the rate of change
It isn’t just cars that are the issue after burning fossil fuels the biggest cause of global climate change is agriculture namely livestock especially cattle farming as forests which otherwise would be absorbing carbon are cleared for cattle farming
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Because it was hilarious.
 
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