Why are people buying electric cars?

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Of course it’s not going to happen overnight, but people are being forced into doing it. That's what the net zero emissions targets are all about.

Manufacturers are ditching ICE and some models are or will be EV only. There is less choice if you want a traditional engine and of course, we're all being 'encouraged' rather than forced currently. But the reasons they're putting back the zero emissions transition is due to lack of interest and lack of infrastructure.

What I meant by my statement is that if everyone that made the choice to buy a new car over the last five years (for example) had bought an EV we wouldn’t be able to cope.

The chargers at our local Shell are almost always ‘not in use’. And there are only two compared to 10 petrol/diesel pumps. Many require you to have a specific app pre-installed in order to use (I tried using a BP one by downloading the app on site and could not get it to work - getting caught in an endless loop of password resets). The plug in (3-pin) charger that was supplied with the car kept tripping the house electrics.

I'm really not against them, but found that first few weeks of ownership very eye-opening.

We now have a charger on the house which is normally fed by our solar panels and only charges the car at specific times.

As for the EV rally, it was this one so took in a lot of UK. While the event itself was well-organised and the chargers en-route all worked, my wife took delivery of the car a few days early and that's where the problems lay. We drove (from high Wycombe) up to the start via our friends in Chapel-en-le-Frith. The chargers that gave out 1% in three hours were in Buxton. And the charger we were directed to that turned out to be private turned out to be at some sort of Toyota HQ - though I can't remember exactly where now.

I think you're wrong about being able to cope but the point is moot since the situation never arose.

Petrol stations are a tough one, I regularly pass a BP ultra rapid in Aviemore that's as often as not out of service, I conspiracy theorist in me thinks maybe it's intentional because petrol companies have such a heavy investment in erm petrol..

I'd not heard of that rally, there's one in Scotland every year too, round the North Coast 500.
 
It's interesting how someone who owns an EV and is reported his personal negative experience is being told he's wrong.
 
Well I was going to leave buying a new car until next year when I retire but I spotted an unmissable deal on one of the cars I liked. Upshot is, I pick up my new MGS5 tomorrow!
It's blue, which I don't particularly like but it was £10,000 off so I will learn to live with it :)

MGS5 - Great Value, great reports and all that you need - I keep thinking about changing our X1 for the MGS5 but I only do less than 5,000 miles pa in our diesel X1 and with less than 25,000 miles it is still like new for a 5 year old BM.

Let us know what you think about your MG
 
MGS5 - Great Value, great reports and all that you need - I keep thinking about changing our X1 for the MGS5 but I only do less than 5,000 miles pa in our diesel X1 and with less than 25,000 miles it is still like new for a 5 year old BM.

Let us know what you think about your MG

Will do, I've done near 200k miles in an MG5 so it's going to be pretty familiar controls wise, just bigger and easier to get into & with more toys lol.
 
Will do, I've done near 200k miles in an MG5 so it's going to be pretty familiar controls wise, just bigger and easier to get into & with more toys lol.

is that 200,000 miles??
 
Just dropping in to say 80k miles up this week in my all electric Peugeot e208 over the last 44 months.

Is it entirely a bed of roses? Nope? With very little thought though it's taken me all over Scotland at an average cost of 2.3p/mile (this year - first year it was 0.9p/mile but electricity has rocketed in price) in "fuel". The saving in fuel alone (versus paying £180-200/month for petrol - my combined electricity & gas is £140) effectively bought the car. Do I miss going to petrol stations? Not at all.

Largely charged at home overnight - don't begrudge paying "over the odds" for charging when I need to - it barely makes a dent in the average cost per mile. Takes very little planning to be in a charging location.
 
Takes very little planning to be in a charging location.

This is something that you don't really 'get' until you drive electric, how effortless it is once you make the adjustment.
I don't blame folk for being leery, I was myself until I was given an EV to drive but once you take the step I think few would go back.
 
I think you're wrong about being able to cope but the point is moot since the situation never arose.

Petrol stations are a tough one, I regularly pass a BP ultra rapid in Aviemore that's as often as not out of service, I conspiracy theorist in me thinks maybe it's intentional because petrol companies have such a heavy investment in erm petrol..

I'd not heard of that rally, there's one in Scotland every year too, round the North Coast 500.

The point, I guess, is not whether the lack of infrastructure is real, but more that the fear of the lack etc is real.

You’re ok because, as you’ve pointed out, you charge exclusively at home so no worries about using public chargers.

We live in Wycombe, my wife’s from North Devon and I’m from Northumberland. So regular trips for us would mean plenty of having to rely on public charging.

Which is why we went for the PHEV rather than full EV.

That and cost. Our car is second hand but was over 70k new. I could never justify spending that amount on a car. Most people can’t. So another factor is the purchase price.

For many people the break even point versus a petrol car is so far in the future it’s not worth financially.

Indeed one of my best friends (FD of an engineering company) has done the figures for himself and says the only way an EV makes sense is if it’s done through the company.

All that said, we (me and him) are of a certain age and have very fond memories of petrol powered cars of our youth. So maybe we’re just reluctant to change.

As I say, I can say a use case (for me) of a small full EV, but the price versus something nice in petrol puts me off.

Horses for courses, Your Mileage May Vary, one man’s meat is another man’s poison etc etc
 
You say that, but I'd say if you asked potential buyers, most would cite lack of infrastructure as a big reason not to make the switch.

If governments want to encourage consumers to invest in EVs, then they should show willing and make the first move.

If you've watched Long Way Up, then Rivian had to install a whole network of chargers throughout the length of South America to make the trip possible. I know that's a very different situation to the UK, but begins to demonstrate the power that oil companies still hold and how difficult it is to convince people it's the right thing to do.

Well based on the opinions of some of those on here, there is also the reason not to switch as they catch fire and need charging all the time!!

I have had EV for 2 years, 21.5k in that time and the infrastructure has been fine - could it be better, certainly but have I been troubled by it, no. A lack of infrastructure IMO is not true for most people
 
It's interesting how someone who owns an EV and is reported his personal negative experience is being told he's wrong.

I speak from a Tesla perspective and they lead the way in charging and infrastructure. Just rock up, plug in, no cards or anything needed. Simple and get onto a 250kw charger and you can add 150 miles in 15 mins or something. Granted, I think Tesla drivers have it much easier.
 
Oh? where?


But having had limited exposure to trying to use chargers for longer trips, the infrastructure isn't there if people were forced into EVs tomorrow. Luckily there's resistance, or it would all fall apart.

You understand that statement makes no sense right? People are not going to be 'forced' into using EV tomorrow so say the infrastructure isn't there is pointless.
Add to which the car you chose isn't suitable for long trips using the battery, though if you do want to use it that way your charging stops will all be pretty short. PHEVs are petrol cars with a small battery meant to get you round town etc.

Infrastructure for EV charging is keeping up with and surpassing EV sales so there is no issue. The Government just made it a thousand times easier for everyone to access chargers by 'forcing' the adoption of contactless payment. No more worrying about whether the charger you are at will accept your rfid card.

I think you're wrong about being able to cope but the point is moot since the situation never arose.

His experience was that it didn't appear to be coping at this stage, and expressed concerns for the future.

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I've just spent the last hour looking at potential EVs to replace the Karoq (Elroq would be obvious, but that's quite spendy) and reading reviews. I wish that car's were designed with a good level of useful stuff at the bottom end, rather than having to spec up so much for things that should be standard features - like heat pumps for example.
 
His experience was that it didn't appear to be coping at this stage, and expressed concerns for the future.

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I've just spent the last hour looking at potential EVs to replace the Karoq (Elroq would be obvious, but that's quite spendy) and reading reviews. I wish that car's were designed with a good level of useful stuff at the bottom end, rather than having to spec up so much for things that should be standard features - like heat pumps for example.
hhmm I read that differently to you, Kell's comment was an opinion about the future of infrastructure in a hypothetical situation, I pointed out that said situation had not happened.
 
The point, I guess, is not whether the lack of infrastructure is real, but more that the fear of the lack etc is real.

You’re ok because, as you’ve pointed out, you charge exclusively at home so no worries about using public chargers.

Actually I don't, I use public chargers 5 or 6 times a working day. It's my job you see, servicing public chargers.
 
I'd still like to know how the road network will be maintained, if a substantial part of the population avoids fuel duty.

There must already be a hole opening up in the Treasury's books with fuel duty being "avoided" on electrically powered vehicles. The logical answer is that electricity charges will start to go up as tax is added to everyone's bill to close that hole. That'll be fair to those who don't have a car at all, I don't think!
 
That and cost. Our car is second hand but was over 70k new. I could never justify spending that amount on a car. Most people can’t. So another factor is the purchase price.

For many people the break even point versus a petrol car is so far in the future it’s not worth financially.

Should have included this in my earlier reply. You're right there but thankfully prices are falling (as they always do once a new tech starts to get popular) and so the break even point gets easier to see. I also think, just my opinion, that EV owners will tend to keep a car for longer and see the benefit of that.
 
I've just spent the last hour looking at potential EVs to replace the Karoq (Elroq would be obvious, but that's quite spendy) and reading reviews. I wish that car's were designed with a good level of useful stuff at the bottom end, rather than having to spec up so much for things that should be standard features - like heat pumps for example.

Check the KIA EV3 AIR model, short or long range, that was my other choice and would have been first but for the price difference.
 
I'd still like to know how the road network will be maintained, if a substantial part of the population avoids fuel duty.

There must already be a hole opening up in the Treasury's books with fuel duty being "avoided" on electrically powered vehicles. The logical answer is that electricity charges will start to go up as tax is added to everyone's bill to close that hole. That'll be fair to those who don't have a car at all, I don't think!

The only fair way is to scrap all fuel duty, VED etc... and simply charge per mile. What you could do is to incentivise HGVs and the like to about rushour by offering a lower price outside of key hours and reduce congestion.

Simple as one tax to collect but complex as there will be ways to fiddle this no doubt, and you have what, 20m vehicles or something to retro fit? What happens if you are on private property (i.e driving round a huge airport car park), should you be charged for the 3 miles you do in that?
 
The point, I guess, is not whether the lack of infrastructure is real, but more that the fear of the lack etc is real.

You’re ok because, as you’ve pointed out, you charge exclusively at home so no worries about using public chargers.

We live in Wycombe, my wife’s from North Devon and I’m from Northumberland. So regular trips for us would mean plenty of having to rely on public charging.

Which is why we went for the PHEV rather than full EV.

That and cost. Our car is second hand but was over 70k new. I could never justify spending that amount on a car. Most people can’t. So another factor is the purchase price.

For many people the break even point versus a petrol car is so far in the future it’s not worth financially.


Indeed one of my best friends (FD of an engineering company) has done the figures for himself and says the only way an EV makes sense is if it’s done through the company.

All that said, we (me and him) are of a certain age and have very fond memories of petrol powered cars of our youth. So maybe we’re just reluctant to change.

As I say, I can say a use case (for me) of a small full EV, but the price versus something nice in petrol puts me off.

Horses for courses, Your Mileage May Vary, one man’s meat is another man’s poison etc etc

Depends how you buy cars - if you buy a car for cash, or look to pay it off after 4 years then yes, I agree. But if like me you buy on PCP, then it's fine. My total motoring costs didnt change moving from 3yo Sportage to new Tesla 3
 
Check the KIA EV3 AIR model, short or long range, that was my other choice and would have been first but for the price difference.

I think the EV3 is just a bit small, ut thanks for the suggestion. I may have to get a test drive in a Polestar 2 to see if the ride really is as bad as reported.
 
I think the EV3 is just a bit small, ut thanks for the suggestion. I may have to get a test drive in a Polestar 2 to see if the ride really is as bad as reported.
There's an EV5 coming later this year but it'll be over 40k I reckon, kind of like a cut down EV9.
 
The only fair way is to scrap all fuel duty, VED etc... and simply charge per mile. What you could do is to incentivise HGVs and the like to about rushour by offering a lower price outside of key hours and reduce congestion.

Simple as one tax to collect but complex as there will be ways to fiddle this no doubt, and you have what, 20m vehicles or something to retro fit? What happens if you are on private property (i.e driving round a huge airport car park), should you be charged for the 3 miles you do in that?

There are already trackers of course but if the one in my car is anything to go by (not too accurate) there would be so many complaints it would bankrupt the country.
 
Depends how you buy cars - if you buy a car for cash, or look to pay it off after 4 years then yes, I agree. But if like me you buy on PCP, then it's fine. My total motoring costs didnt change moving from 3yo Sportage to new Tesla 3

If you don't intend to pay the outstanding balance though after the 3/4 years, is it not just like 'renting' rather than actually buying?

This isn't a personal dig btw :) A mate of mine is on his second (crazy!) PCP Jaguar and there is no way he's paying of the remaining £50,000 or whatever balance after the PCP term has finished. So he's never going to actually own it & actually has no intentions of owning it. It's like he's been caught in the trap for 7 years & just throwing money away every month.
 
If you don't intend to pay the outstanding balance though after the 3/4 years, is it not just like 'renting' rather than actually buying?

This isn't a personal dig btw :) A mate of mine is on his second (crazy!) PCP Jaguar and there is no way he's paying of the remaining £50,000 or whatever balance after the PCP term has finished. So he's never going to actually own it & actually has no intentions of owning it. It's like he's been caught in the trap for 7 years & just throwing money away every month.

I like a nice car and happy to pay for it. In the past I have then kept the car but normally chop and get a new one
 
Ah apologies.

I thought I read someone charged their car exclusively at home and wrongly assumed it was you.
I do charge at home of course, to 100% overnight so I can get where I'm going in the morning.
 
I asked chat got to compare two same model cars one petrol and one EV. This is what I got back.

Imagine you’re entirely impartial. Compare the whole life costs of two cars. They’re both the same model of car but one is petrol and one is a BEV version of the same car. Look at every aspect of running costs including the difference in purchase costs, servicing and fuel. At what point would the increased price of the EV be offset by lower running costs. Use cars in the uk as an example and provide the model derivative used.

ChatGPT said:​

Great, let's take a real-world example to make the comparison as practical as possible. For this comparison, let's consider the Volkswagen Golf. It comes in both petrol and fully electric versions, and is a popular model in the UK.
We'll use the following versions:
  • Petrol Model: Volkswagen Golf 1.5 TSI (Petrol)
  • Electric Model: Volkswagen ID.3 (BEV)

Assumptions for Cost Comparison:​

  1. Initial Purchase Price (2023 prices):
    • Volkswagen Golf 1.5 TSI: £25,000
    • Volkswagen ID.3: £35,000 (EV premium due to battery technology)
  2. Annual Mileage: 10,000 miles per year.
  3. Fuel Efficiency:
    • Volkswagen Golf 1.5 TSI: Around 45 mpg (combined)
    • Volkswagen ID.3: Around 4 miles per kWh (combined)
  4. Fuel Costs:
    • Petrol Cost: £1.45 per litre (current average in 2023)
    • Electricity Cost: £0.35 per kWh (home charging rate)
  5. Maintenance and Servicing:
    • Petrol Car: More complex engine, with services like oil changes, spark plug replacement, etc.
    • Electric Car: Fewer moving parts, no oil changes, no exhaust system maintenance, but needs occasional checks for battery health, brake fluid, and tyre wear.
  6. Insurance: Typically, insurance for an EV tends to be slightly higher due to higher replacement costs, but this can vary.
  7. Vehicle Depreciation:
    • EVs typically depreciate faster in the first few years due to the perception of older battery technology, but this gap is closing.
    • Petrol cars have traditionally had better resale value but the gap is narrowing due to growing EV adoption.

1. Initial Purchase Price:​

  • Petrol: £25,000
  • Electric (ID.3): £35,000
    • Difference: £10,000

2. Fuel Costs per Year (10,000 miles)

Petrol:​

  • 10,000 miles ÷ 45 mpg = 222.2 gallons of fuel per year
  • 1 gallon = 4.546 litres (UK gallons)
  • Fuel consumption = 222.2 x 4.546 = 1010.1 litres per year
  • Cost = 1010.1 x £1.45 = £1,464 per year

Electric:​

  • 10,000 miles ÷ 4 miles per kWh = 2,500 kWh of electricity per year
  • Cost = 2,500 x £0.35 = £875 per year

3. Servicing and Maintenance Costs per Year

Petrol:​

  • Typical petrol car servicing costs around £200-£300 per year, with additional costs for oil, spark plugs, and exhaust system maintenance.
  • Let’s estimate an average annual cost of £250 for servicing and maintenance.

Electric:​

  • EV servicing is typically cheaper due to fewer moving parts. Annual servicing might be £150-£200, mainly for checking the brakes, suspension, and battery health.
  • Let’s estimate an average annual cost of £175 for servicing and maintenance.

4. Insurance Costs per Year

  • Petrol cars: £600
  • Electric cars: £650 (slightly higher due to higher repair/replacement costs)
    • Difference: £50 more per year for the EV

5. Depreciation

  • Petrol cars generally lose around 50% of their value after 5 years.
  • EVs can lose around 60% of their value in the same period due to early adoption and battery life concerns (although this gap is closing).
  • Based on the initial purchase prices, we can estimate the depreciation over 5 years.

Petrol:​

  • Depreciation after 5 years = £25,000 x 50% = £12,500 lost in value

Electric:​

  • Depreciation after 5 years = £35,000 x 60% = £21,000 lost in value

Total Running Costs Over 5 Years:

Cost CategoryPetrol (Golf 1.5 TSI)Electric (ID.3)
Initial Purchase Price£25,000£35,000
Fuel (5 years)£7,320£4,375
Servicing (5 years)£1,250£875
Insurance (5 years)£3,000£3,250
Depreciation£12,500£21,000
Total Cost Over 5 Years£48,070£64,500

Cost Difference After 5 Years:​

  • Petrol Car: £48,070
  • Electric Car: £64,500
    • Difference: £16,430

When Will the EV’s Lower Running Costs Offset the Higher Purchase Price?

  • The EV has a higher initial purchase price of £10,000, but its lower fuel costs and lower servicing costs give it a saving of:
    • £1,464 (petrol fuel) - £875 (electric fuel) = £589 saved per year in fuel.
    • £250 (petrol servicing) - £175 (electric servicing) = £75 saved per year in servicing.
That’s a total of £664 saved per year in running costs.
Now, if you subtract the £10,000 initial cost difference, you can calculate when the savings from fuel and servicing will offset the EV's premium:
  • £10,000 ÷ £664 = 15.1 years.
So, in this example, it would take about 15 years for the EV to make up for its initial price difference in terms of fuel and servicing savings.

Conclusion:​

While the electric vehicle is more expensive upfront, it makes up for the higher purchase price through lower fuel and servicing costs. However, this "break-even" point in this case comes at around 15 years, which is quite a long time, especially considering that battery technology may have improved by that point, possibly making the EV’s value drop faster due to older technology. If you plan to keep the car for more than 10 years, the EV might become a better option in the long run, especially considering any potential government incentives for EVs and future trends in energy prices.
If you're someone who drives more than the average mileage per year, or plans to keep the car longer, this might be a factor to consider. Otherwise, the upfront cost and depreciation can make the petrol version a more sensible option for many people in the shorter term.
 
I asked chat got to compare two same model cars one petrol and one EV. This is what I got back.

Imagine you’re entirely impartial. Compare the whole life costs of two cars. They’re both the same model of car but one is petrol and one is a BEV version of the same car. Look at every aspect of running costs including the difference in purchase costs, servicing and fuel. At what point would the increased price of the EV be offset by lower running costs. Use cars in the uk as an example and provide the model derivative used.

ChatGPT said:​

Great, let's take a real-world example to make the comparison as practical as possible. For this comparison, let's consider the Volkswagen Golf. It comes in both petrol and fully electric versions, and is a popular model in the UK.
We'll use the following versions:
  • Petrol Model: Volkswagen Golf 1.5 TSI (Petrol)
  • Electric Model: Volkswagen ID.3 (BEV)

Assumptions for Cost Comparison:​

  1. Initial Purchase Price(2023 prices):
    • Volkswagen Golf 1.5 TSI: £25,000
    • Volkswagen ID.3: £35,000 (EV premium due to battery technology)
  2. Annual Mileage: 10,000 miles per year.
  3. Fuel Efficiency:
    • Volkswagen Golf 1.5 TSI: Around 45 mpg (combined)
    • Volkswagen ID.3: Around 4 miles per kWh (combined)
  4. Fuel Costs:
    • Petrol Cost: £1.45 per litre (current average in 2023)
    • Electricity Cost: £0.35 per kWh (home charging rate)
  5. Maintenance and Servicing:
    • Petrol Car: More complex engine, with services like oil changes, spark plug replacement, etc.
    • Electric Car: Fewer moving parts, no oil changes, no exhaust system maintenance, but needs occasional checks for battery health, brake fluid, and tyre wear.
  6. Insurance: Typically, insurance for an EV tends to be slightly higher due to higher replacement costs, but this can vary.
  7. Vehicle Depreciation:
    • EVs typically depreciate faster in the first few years due to the perception of older battery technology, but this gap is closing.
    • Petrol cars have traditionally had better resale value but the gap is narrowing due to growing EV adoption.

1. Initial Purchase Price:​

  • Petrol: £25,000
  • Electric (ID.3): £35,000
    • Difference: £10,000

2. Fuel Costs per Year (10,000 miles)

Petrol:​

  • 10,000 miles ÷ 45 mpg = 222.2 gallons of fuel per year
  • 1 gallon = 4.546 litres (UK gallons)
  • Fuel consumption = 222.2 x 4.546 = 1010.1 litres per year
  • Cost = 1010.1 x £1.45 = £1,464 per year

Electric:​

  • 10,000 miles ÷ 4 miles per kWh = 2,500 kWh of electricity per year
  • Cost = 2,500 x £0.35 = £875 per year

3. Servicing and Maintenance Costs per Year

Petrol:​

  • Typical petrol car servicing costs around £200-£300 per year, with additional costs for oil, spark plugs, and exhaust system maintenance.
  • Let’s estimate an average annual cost of £250 for servicing and maintenance.

Electric:​

  • EV servicing is typically cheaper due to fewer moving parts. Annual servicing might be £150-£200, mainly for checking the brakes, suspension, and battery health.
  • Let’s estimate an average annual cost of £175 for servicing and maintenance.

4. Insurance Costs per Year

  • Petrol cars: £600
  • Electric cars: £650 (slightly higher due to higher repair/replacement costs)
    • Difference: £50 more per year for the EV

5. Depreciation

  • Petrol cars generally lose around 50% of their value after 5 years.
  • EVs can lose around 60% of their value in the same period due to early adoption and battery life concerns (although this gap is closing).
  • Based on the initial purchase prices, we can estimate the depreciation over 5 years.

Petrol:​

  • Depreciation after 5 years = £25,000 x 50% = £12,500 lost in value

Electric:​

  • Depreciation after 5 years = £35,000 x 60% = £21,000 lost in value

Total Running Costs Over 5 Years:

Cost CategoryPetrol (Golf 1.5 TSI)Electric (ID.3)
Initial Purchase Price£25,000£35,000
Fuel (5 years)£7,320£4,375
Servicing (5 years)£1,250£875
Insurance (5 years)£3,000£3,250
Depreciation£12,500£21,000
Total Cost Over 5 Years£48,070£64,500

Cost Difference After 5 Years:​

  • Petrol Car: £48,070
  • Electric Car: £64,500
    • Difference: £16,430

When Will the EV’s Lower Running Costs Offset the Higher Purchase Price?

  • The EV has a higher initial purchase price of £10,000, but its lower fuel costs and lower servicing costsgive it a saving of:
    • £1,464 (petrol fuel) - £875 (electric fuel) = £589 saved per year in fuel.
    • £250 (petrol servicing) - £175 (electric servicing) = £75 saved per year in servicing.
That’s a total of £664 saved per year in running costs.
Now, if you subtract the £10,000 initial cost difference, you can calculate when the savings from fuel and servicing will offset the EV's premium:
  • £10,000 ÷ £664 = 15.1 years.
So, in this example, it would take about 15 years for the EV to make up for its initial price difference in terms of fuel and servicing savings.

Conclusion:​

While the electric vehicle is more expensive upfront, it makes up for the higher purchase price through lower fuel and servicing costs. However, this "break-even" point in this case comes at around 15 years, which is quite a long time, especially considering that battery technology may have improved by that point, possibly making the EV’s value drop faster due to older technology. If you plan to keep the car for more than 10 years, the EV might become a better option in the long run, especially considering any potential government incentives for EVs and future trends in energy prices.
If you're someone who drives more than the average mileage per year, or plans to keep the car longer, this might be a factor to consider. Otherwise, the upfront cost and depreciation can make the petrol version a more sensible option for many people in the shorter term.

Some huge flaws in there - not spent a penny in service costs in 2 years, not even tyres yet. Also my home charging rate off peak is 7.9p - even peak is 27p - but I simply plug in and it auto charges when it's off peak.
 
I wouldn’t say tyres was a huge flaw. I wouldn’t expect to replace tyres on a petrol car two years in at 10k per annum either. I would expect, however expect to replace them more regularly with an EV they’re heavier.

Plus our last car was on extended servicing so was around 20,000 miles between services. So in this example it would be due a service at two years, but not have had one yet.

Like you, I’m pretty sure our charging price is 7.9p for off peak grid, but we have a battery for our solar panels so maybe even free.*

*Although you’d then have to factor in the additional £7,000 for the panels and whatever extra the battery cost us.
 
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I wouldn’t say tyres was a huge flaw. I wouldn’t expect to replace tyres on a petrol car two years in at 10k per annum either. I would expect, however expect to replace them more regularly with an EV they’re heavier.

Our last car was on extended servicing so only needed to be done every 20k. So in your example it would be due a service, but not have had one yet.

Like you, I’m pretty sure our charging price is 7.9p for grid, but we have a battery for our solar panels so maybe even free.*

*Although you’d then have to factor in the additional £7,000 for the panels and whatever extra the battery cost is.
 
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Just did a quick scan down the list there Kell, chat gpt has a few things wrong.
EV servicing intervals are usually 2 years, not yearly. So that cost is halved.
Who puts their car of any type into a garage to get tyre wear checked? EV batteries are checked continually and the soh can often be displayed in the app for the car.
It hasn't taken into account cheap rate charging, 7p per kwh overnight brings the fuel cost down from 875 to 175 per year for those who have it.
Depreciation is a tough one, it can be high for many reasons but I agree it's not a factor in running the car.
I left the insurance figure alone, some could get cheaper or pay more.
Also not changing the golf's servicing costs which could be considerably higher, ice car parts wear out.

Recalculated, over 5 years the EV could cost £39566 compared to the golf at £36570, a much closer figure.

/Edit, I see you already took some of this stuff into account.
 
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As a reference I need new front tyres about every 25k miles. Front wheel drive over pretty rough roads.
 
As a reference I need new front tyres about every 25k miles. Front wheel drive over pretty rough roads.

It may be a feature of how you drive (and that's not a criticism) but my ICE vehicle is just starting its 3rd set of tyres at 90,000 miles - and there's a reason we have SUVs.
 
It may be a feature of how you drive (and that's not a criticism) but my ICE vehicle is just starting its 3rd set of tyres at 90,000 miles - and there's a reason we have SUVs.
Sure, the MG5 is an ice car converted to EV and is heavier than some, it's also fwd. My car is ram packed with parts and tools behind the front seats which makes it even heavier so the drive wheels have to work hard. Highland roads away from the main trunk roads are poor and gritty. All adds up to extra tyre wear.
The car is tracked and monitored so no crazy driving, not that I would anyway. For me the car is a tool not a toy, I love driving electric because it's easy and comfortable and I'm not worn out by it at end of day.
 
Can't help wondering if the VW ICE car has anywhere near the performance of the BEV version at the price point quoted. Likewise, what the insurance is on a similarly performing ICE version. And the running costs.
 
If you don't intend to pay the outstanding balance though after the 3/4 years, is it not just like 'renting' rather than actually buying?

This isn't a personal dig btw :) A mate of mine is on his second (crazy!) PCP Jaguar and there is no way he's paying of the remaining £50,000 or whatever balance after the PCP term has finished. So he's never going to actually own it & actually has no intentions of owning it. It's like he's been caught in the trap for 7 years & just throwing money away every month.
A lot of people use PCP effectively as leasing - depending which works out cheaper. Whether he's throwing money away every month is down to your attitude on car ownership; if you are someone who changes cars say every 2/3 years then PCP/Leasing provides known outlay and no large capital input on a deprecating car.
If you prefer to run an older car then you are correct you don't have the regular monthly finance payments - possibly more maintenance costs but lower depreciation. I think it's simply down to how people want to spend their money e.g. some prefer having a newer car others might want more holidays
 
I'd still like to know how the road network will be maintained, if a substantial part of the population avoids fuel duty.

There must already be a hole opening up in the Treasury's books with fuel duty being "avoided" on electrically powered vehicles. The logical answer is that electricity charges will start to go up as tax is added to everyone's bill to close that hole. That'll be fair to those who don't have a car at all, I don't think!
The maintenance comes from the money the Treasury allocates for road maintenance. I can't think of any tax, duty, levy etc that is ring fenced for specific expenditure. The government of the day decides how much it wants to spend then collects this via taxation and borrowing. If there's a shortfall then taxation will increase to cover it. What that tax is applied to is dependent upon the government
 
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