Why are people buying electric cars?

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I have just been reading an article on the Which? website with regard to the use of electric car charging points and if I was ever thinking about buying an electric car (I'm not) I would thinking again. If you do short journeys and you have a home charging point then I see little reason not to own an electric car but move away from that little niche and the world of car charging becomes something out of Escher's wildest imaginings.

According to the article, there are at least 60 different companies offering charge facilities and each one of them has an app that, for the most part, you have to use before you can charge your electric vehicle. There are a myriad of charging rates, speaking both electrically and financially, and you have to know how much charge your car can take and not use a charger that supplies more than that because you will be paying for a charge-rate you may not be able to use, plus depriving a car-owner whose car CAN use that charge rate for using that charge port. The rates are so high that an average diesel car is at least as cheap to run and often cheaper. There are different connectors depending on your car and a choice of AC or DC outlets and apparently, if it wasn't for the EU, there would be more connectors than there are.

It seems to me, from reading the article, that if you own anything other than a Tesla, which seems to be much more organised, you are setting yourself up for a world of pain if you go down the pure electric route. Things would have to get a lot more simple before I even considered buying an electric car and I'll not go into the rise in 'charge-rage' that seems to be cropping up more and more in the press and social media.

I think I'll wait for hydrogen fuel cells to make their mark and quietly run my 70+ mpg diesel until that time arrives.
 
IMVHO charging points should by law have to accept major credit/debit cards and maybe even... cash... and cables and plugs should be standardised.

I've said before in electric car threads that I just can't see them as any sort of solution for many reasons, the grid couldn't support the charging if we were to replace all ice vehicles with electric, the materials which would be required don't exist in sufficient quantities, the manufacture and recycling require much more energy and environmental impact than current ice tech and that's before we get into unfriendly regimes, human rights and slavery etc. With the current tech I think it's possible that electric could be a disaster for the planet.

Of course if the plebs are confined to their 15 minute ghettos and only the elites are allowed the privilege of personal transport it'll work just fine.

On a related note.

I have a smartphone and a rolling contract with Lyca mobile and today I couldn't make any calls and my phone informed me that I had no credit. How can this be with a rolling contract paid for by direct debit? Well, I rang them and I waited for almost an hour in the queue to talk to someone and the explanation was that their system had gone wonky and hadn't updated some rolling contracts. What they had to do was tell the office which customers were affected and the office would put it right. Could they inform the office for me? No. Their system was down. I could buy another contract though. I declined to. Will my phone work tomorrow? They didn't know.

So, if I was away from home and needed a working smartphone to be able to charge my car what was I supposed to do? Walk home maybe. If mobile phones are to be an essential in life and needed for transport Gosh help us.
 
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Yes, the mobile phone thingy has potential to ruin a lot of things. In the next couple of weeks (and some other times later in the year) I am going to an event at the Guildhall in Plymouth and also a ballet at the Plymouth Theatre Royal (Black Sabbath the Ballet; yes, really) and at both venues my tickets are on my phone. In this case it wouldn't be the end of the world if my phone packed up but it would be highly inconvenient, but as you say, out an about with a vehicle you couldn't charge is in a different category of inconvenient.

I am in agreement with electric vehicles being a technological dead end because of the reasons you've already stated. It also has to be said that since, at present, we cannot accept not having our own personal transport so that we can go where we want, when we want that, like it or not (and I don't), attitudes to public transport are going to have to change. In the utopian world of the Green Party and Just Stop Oil, et al., we will all have access to plentiful public transport, driven by electricity collected from the Sun and all private vehicles would disappear from the world. This might be quite nice for me, retired and only having to worry about how to get the dogs to the vet, but how someone living in the country who has to work a night shift thirty miles away is going to get there and back I can't imagine.
 
Well, my diesel estate car (40-60mpg depending on how much long distance travel I do) that is just 4.5 years old, will probably see me to the end of my driving days, and the camper van I'm shortly picking up which is also diesel, will do the same, so it's most unlikely that I'll have to make a decision about a non-ICE vehicle. I'm glad, for the reasons given above.
 
lindsay said:
Well, my diesel estate car (40-60mpg depending on how much long distance travel I do) that is just 4.5 years old, will probably see me to the end of my driving days, and the camper van I'm shortly picking up which is also diesel, will do the same, so it's most unlikely that I'll have to make a decision about a non-ICE vehicle. I'm glad, for the reasons given above.
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My much hated by some suv does very reasonable mpg and it's ulez compliant.
 
ShinySideUp said:
I am in agreement with electric vehicles being a technological dead end because of the reasons you've already stated. It also has to be said that since, at present, we cannot accept not having our own personal transport so that we can go where we want, when we want that, like it or not (and I don't), attitudes to public transport are going to have to change. In the utopian world of the Green Party and Just Stop Oil, et al., we will all have access to plentiful public transport, driven by electricity collected from the Sun and all private vehicles would disappear from the world. This might be quite nice for me, retired and only having to worry about how to get the dogs to the vet, but how someone living in the country who has to work a night shift thirty miles away is going to get there and back I can't imagine.
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Having cared for my mam for many years how difficult it is to move from A to B when you have limited mobility or are pushing someone who has limited mobility in a wheel chair has become clear to me. Our nearest bus stops are simply too far away for many elderly or people with limited mobility so how is relying on public transport going to work? It simply isn't. Door to door transport of some sort is needed for many people in many areas otherwise a large number of people are going to be effectively prisoners in their homes.
 
ShinySideUp said:
According to the article, there are at least 60 different companies offering charge facilities and each one of them has an app that, for the most part, you have to use before you can charge your electric vehicle. There are a myriad of charging rates, speaking both electrically and financially, and you have to know how much charge your car can take and not use a charger that supplies more than that because you will be paying for a charge-rate you may not be able to use, plus depriving a car-owner whose car CAN use that charge rate for using that charge port. The rates are so high that an average diesel car is at least as cheap to run and often cheaper. There are different connectors depending on your car and a choice of AC or DC outlets and apparently, if it wasn't for the EU, there would be more connectors than there are.
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With ICE vehicles there are just 3 sizes of pump nozzle (2 if we exclude lorries), the diesel nozzle is a bit bigger than the petrol one for a good reason, to stop people mis-fueling, that's a standard that really works. The lack of a standard with electric vehicles is down to government thinking - or lack of- deciding that they wouldn't take any responsibility for the necessary infrastructure and leaving it all to private enterprise to provide the supply, with this inevitable result.

Happily, I'm too old to even think about changing to electric (or hydrogen). My little diesel car will see me out without any of these worries and at a fraction of the cost.

And, as for the government (and various green lobbies) thinking that we should all be travelling everywhere by bus, I'm told that there's a big city called London in the effluent south and some other big cities, where there are buses, but I simply can't walk 5 miles to my nearest bus stop in the hope that the service is running that day.
 
Contactless is mandated on rapid chargers. There are still some outliers that haven't finished doing it.

Tesla ownership is well ahead of the rest as the navigation system includes charging stops and will automatically route you to quieter ones and you can see the busy times on them as well. The others just don't offer this so it's a crapshoot still.

If Tesla open up all their chargers and they're all the V4 with contactless with long cables some of the other sporadic providers will probably go bust as they don't offer the usability and reliability. Tesla made their own chargers as well so they're miles ahead in all metrics.

Before anyone says what about cobalt then tons of that is used in refining petrol and diesel each year as it is used in de-sulphering it. The USA has just found a load of lithium as well so there's no problems with that.

Meanwhile California has half their hydrogen stations out of action and Denmark has shut all of theirs. Norway shut a lot of theirs. The UK has about 3 working hydrogen stations. Hydrogen is dead.

Big trucks are now going electric. Tesla Semi is being tested by Pepsi and is hauling their stuff all over the place.

I've had an EV for years and it's been fine to own. Got an older Tesla now and you can just stick in your destination and let it work it out. Don't have to spend any time thinking about it. It does what it says. You charge when it says. It tells you when you have sufficient charge to do your journey and when you'll arrive. Usually charge while having a break anyway so it doesn't lengthen journeys at all.

The idea of having to go somewhere special all the time to get fuel instead of just plugging in on the drive seems a right hassle now.

If you don't have the ability to charge up reliably at home or work then EV ownership is just a pain in the arse still. Still wouldn't recommend it. That has to change.

The more simple answer is that EVs drive a lot better and they need far less maintenance. Wipers and cabin filter mostly. That's it. No oil changes with a load of dirty oil to then dispose of. Older EVs might need brake strip and clean but that's not that much different to an older combustion car either. Then it's just wearing out items like suspension.

My EV is mostly looked after by a mobile company. They run several MG5 EVs doing 40-50k a year. They all charge up at home mainly but still use public charging. I don't think they generally encounter the problems you read about in the newspapers as they've been using public charging long enough to know which networks are reliable. If you stick to the good ones then it's far easier to have a non tesla than you think.
 
srichards said:
Before anyone says what about cobalt then tons of that is used in refining petrol and diesel each year as it is used in de-sulphering it. The USA has just found a load of lithium as well so there's no problems with that.
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I've not heard anyone conform yet that there's enough cobalt/lithum/unobtanium to replace every ice car and other vehicle on the planet with an electric one. Quite the opposite. Every interview or article I've ever read has said there isn't enough on earth, OK. Tech may change and we may be able to make car batteries from thin air but promises, hopes and painful realities may diversify at some point.

And then there's the issue of environmental and human health exploitation is the less pleasant places and under the less humanitarian regimes.

I'll believe it all when I see it.

Personally I see electric as a stepping stone to something else at best and at worst a expensive and damaging distraction but as we've come to learn, our rulers and those who influence them are willing to force an agenda which simply does not follow the science if there's money or power in it for them.
 
And a PS to all this.

My mobile phone is still dead and Lyca mobile customer service are a joke. Luckily I'm sat at home but if I was out and about and relying on a smartphone to facilitate transport or anything else what would I do? Walk home seems to be the answer.
 
woof woof said:
I've not heard anyone conform yet that there's enough cobalt/lithum/unobtanium to replace every ice car and other vehicle on the planet with an electric one. Quite the opposite. Every interview or article I've ever read has said there isn't enough on earth, OK. Tech may change and we may be able to make car batteries from thin air but promises, hopes and painful realities may diversify at some point.

And then there's the issue of environmental and human health exploitation is the less pleasant places and under the less humanitarian regimes.

I'll believe it all when I see it.

Personally I see electric as a stepping stone to something else at best and at worst a expensive and damaging distraction but as we've come to learn, our rulers and those who influence them are willing to force an agenda which simply does not follow the science if there's money or power in it for them.
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It is possible to extract lithium ethically

 
woof woof said:
And a PS to all this.

My mobile phone is still dead and Lyca mobile customer service are a joke. Luckily I'm sat at home but if I was out and about and relying on a smartphone to facilitate transport or anything else what would I do? Walk home seems to be the answer.
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I think there's a generation that has never experienced properly unreliable cars.

A few decades back drivers were generally pleasantly surprised to have arrived at their destination without a flat tyre, a minor fire, some kind of mechanical etc. :D
 
ShinySideUp said:
I have just been reading an article on the Which? website with regard to the use of electric car charging points and if I was ever thinking about buying an electric car (I'm not) I would thinking again. If you do short journeys and you have a home charging point then I see little reason not to own an electric car but move away from that little niche and the world of car charging becomes something out of Escher's wildest imaginings.

According to the article, there are at least 60 different companies offering charge facilities and each one of them has an app that, for the most part, you have to use before you can charge your electric vehicle. There are a myriad of charging rates, speaking both electrically and financially, and you have to know how much charge your car can take and not use a charger that supplies more than that because you will be paying for a charge-rate you may not be able to use, plus depriving a car-owner whose car CAN use that charge rate for using that charge port. The rates are so high that an average diesel car is at least as cheap to run and often cheaper. There are different connectors depending on your car and a choice of AC or DC outlets and apparently, if it wasn't for the EU, there would be more connectors than there are.

It seems to me, from reading the article, that if you own anything other than a Tesla, which seems to be much more organised, you are setting yourself up for a world of pain if you go down the pure electric route. Things would have to get a lot more simple before I even considered buying an electric car and I'll not go into the rise in 'charge-rage' that seems to be cropping up more and more in the press and social media.

I think I'll wait for hydrogen fuel cells to make their mark and quietly run my 70+ mpg diesel until that time arrives.
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Not sure I agree with much of that. I do own a Tesla and yes, they are ahead of everyone else. But, aside from my first week (as I had no home charger), I have not needed to charge away from home. When I did, the Tesla network was brilliant, and even the ones at Tesco were good (my local Waitrose has them now).

IIRC most cars share the same 'plug', there may be some older ones that don't, but with my car I got a 'granny charger' (so I can add 3 miles or so per hour from a standard socket), a cable and an adapter for cable.

Yes, in ballpark figures, the cost to charge a car at a motorway point is similar to ICE but how often would people do that. I think to get 270 miles in my car is around £5 when charging overnight at home. Even if I factor in £20 a month over 4 years for the home unit, my fuel cost is around £40 a month. That equated to £150-£180 back in July a month. I have been to Sth London all fine. Once a week to the centre of London (could probably go there and back twice if careful). I do have a trip to Bolton in Dec so will need to use the network but the app tells you how many are free. On a 3 - 4 hour journey we will want to stop once for a break so could add 50-60% back in that 30 mins or so.

It will be a small handful of times a year that I need to fuel up away from home and expect most others to be similar.

App wise, the Tesla one is easy. I just plug in and it works, charges by card, no issues. Virtually everyone has a smartphone, and certainly I would have thought that anyone buying electric would have one.
 
The reason people are buying electric cars is because they want to be part of the future not live in the past.

They want to clean up there towns, roads and cities.

They want to drive a car that as things progress will be powered 100% by renewable carbon free electricity.

Even at the moment see below today if you were charging your car
over 43% of that energy is carbon free

people like the OP just live in a me me world.

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Those people boasting about charging their cars off their home electricity supply should consider that they are depriving the government and thus their fellow citizens, of a great deal of money in fuel duty.

Perhaps, whoever is chancellor, will at some time address this by pushing the road tax on electric vehicles up to, say, £3,000 a year to recoup that loss.

:tumbleweed:
 
ShinySideUp said:
I have just been reading an article on the Which? website with regard to the use of electric car charging points and if I was ever thinking about buying an electric car (I'm not) I would thinking again. If you do short journeys and you have a home charging point then I see little reason not to own an electric car but move away from that little niche and the world of car charging becomes something out of Escher's wildest imaginings.
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This first paragraph sums up our reasons in a nutshell! Mrs Nod's Leaf was bought purely as a town car and for relatively short local journeys.
 
AndrewFlannigan said:
Those people boasting about charging their cars off their home electricity supply should consider that they are depriving the government and thus their fellow citizens, of a great deal of money in fuel duty.

Perhaps, whoever is chancellor, will at some time address this by pushing the road tax on electric vehicles up to, say, £3,000 a year to recoup that loss.

:tumbleweed:
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er, the government is depriving itself.

The rules need to change. Some kind of mileage charge would be good. (Fuel duty is a kind of mileage charge)
 
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Pound Coin said:
I think there's a generation that has never experienced properly unreliable cars.

A few decades back drivers were generally pleasantly surprised to have arrived at their destination without a flat tyre, a minor fire, some kind of mechanical etc. :D
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I'm not sure about a few decades back as 45 years ago even my 1st car, a second hand Mini 1000, never actually broke down and left me stranded. I think you have to go quite a way back to get to the get out and get under days.

I don't know how reliable electric is v ice. For example I own a used Evoque which is apparently one of the most unreliable cars on the planet but (touch wood) it's never broken down so if an electric car was as reliable as that (most faults these days seem to be niggles rather than things which would strand you at the side of the road) I'd be happy but there are still all the other issues. Range and charging and prices and environmental impact being ones that spring to mind.

I'm not anti electric but I don't think either the technology or the infrastructure is anywhere near in place yet to make electric a viable alternative for everyone and I fear it never will be, well, not until there's a real and significant step forward with the tech and there's no sign of that as of today.
 
Mr Bump said:
The reason people are buying electric cars is because they want to be part of the future not live in the past.

They want to clean up there towns, roads and cities.

They want to drive a car that as things progress will be powered 100% by renewable carbon free electricity.

Even at the moment see below today if you were charging your car
over 43% of that energy is carbon free

people like the OP just live in a me me world.
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Whereas people like you ignore the real world issues many people face of mobility, access, geography, charging, costs, the exploitation of slaves and children, the poisoning of the environment, the funding of oppressive regimes and any other inconvenient truth.

Good luck with that 100% renewable electricity. Any date as to when that'll be available? Today and for the foreseeable your car runs on electricity generated in part from gas and even coal and there have been some publicised instances of even charging by diesel generators.

As of today the reality is that electric vehicles are only a true viable alternative for a percentage of people. The less control you have over your life and surroundings the less likely electric is going to be a viable option but here we get into the realms of confining the plebs to their 15 minute ghettos or homes again. I'm sure forcing many off the roads and controlling travel is on the agenda for some.
 
woof woof said:
Whereas people like you ignore the real world issues many people face of mobility, access, geography, charging, costs, the exploitation of slaves and children, the poisoning of the environment, the funding of oppressive regimes and any other inconvenient truth.

Good luck with that 100% renewable electricity. Any date as to when that'll be available? Today and for the foreseeable your car runs on electricity generated in part from gas and even coal and there have been some publicised instances of even charging by diesel generators.

As of today the reality is that electric vehicles are only a true viable alternative for a percentage of people. The less control you have over your life and surroundings the less likely electric is going to be a viable option but here we get into the realms of confining the plebs to their 15 minute ghettos or homes again. I'm sure forcing many off the roads and controlling travel is on the agenda for some.
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Alan your ignorance on this subject is astounding, all of the “issues” you cite can also be linked to the production of ICE cars.
 
Plenty of electric cars round my way. Not all Teslas, though there are plenty. But plenty of Polestars, BMW, Audi, MG and Nissan are the ones that come to mind that I see regularly.
Range isn't an issue for the vast majority of people, and round here everyone has a driveway so home charging is cheap and convenient compared to the equivalent mileage in an ICE car.

So I guess that answers your question of why are people buying electric cars.
 
imattersuk said:
Alan your ignorance on this subject is astounding, all of the “issues” you cite can also be linked to the production of ICE cars.
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I am by no means ignorant and, on they don't necessarily.

I'll give you an example.

The tech we have now for ice is dirty and there are accidents but in large part it can be done in industrialised countries and locations with good environmental protections with good rates of health and safety and pay. Accidents and spillages aside but similar will no doubt affect electric if done in the exact same place, but at the moment it isn't.

Now compare that to what's happening today with children mining cobalt in Africa and lithium lakes in the 3rd world poisoning the water table and horrific conditions in Russia and China and child labour and the funding of dangerous regimes threatening global war.

Add to that how people will afford electric cars and be able to charge them and if the grid can cope and how the materials to build them are going to be safely and sustainably produced and dealt with at end of life and come back and tell me again that I'm ignorant.

Engauge your brain will you before you call me ignorant again.

I'm not against electric but with the tech we have today it's only a viable replacement for ice for a percentage of people. Probably people with a higher degree of wealth and control. People with less wealth and control will possibly face major issues.

Instead of pressing ahead with something that as it is now can only work for some and very likely not work for the more vulnerable and less powerful in society we should flip this around and only proceed when the technology is at a point at which the vast majority can see it as a viable alternative to ice.

And as I've put my view forward I'll now leave the debate to others who don't mind being labelled as ignorant because they don't unquestioningly drink the electric cool aid.

FFS. If all you can do is insult me I assume you have no answers.
 
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Mr Bump said:
The reason people are buying electric cars is because they want to be part of the future not live in the past.

They want to clean up there towns, roads and cities.

They want to drive a car that as things progress will be powered 100% by renewable carbon free electricity.

Even at the moment see below today if you were charging your car
over 43% of that energy is carbon free

people like the OP just live in a me me world.

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Was not a factor for me... wanted to change, Tesla Model 3 was coming cheaper than a replacement Kia Sportage! I also fancied something with poke and 0-60 in 5.8 seconds is great. Also fancied electric as cheaper running costs! Luckily I got a great deal to make it work financially for me!
 
woof woof said:
I am by no means ignorant and, on they don't necessarily.

I'll give you an example.

The tech we have now for ice is dirty and there are accidents but in large part it can be done in industrialised countries and locations with good environmental protections with good rates of health and safety and pay. Accidents and spillages aside but similar will no doubt affect electric if done in the exact same place, but at the moment it isn't.

Now compare that to what's happening today with children mining cobalt in Africa and lithium lakes in the 3rd world poisoning the water table and horrific conditions in Russia and China and child labour and the funding of dangerous regimes threatening global war.

Add to that how people will afford electric cars and be able to charge them and if the grid can cope and how the materials to build them are going to be safely and sustainably produced and dealt with at end of life and come back and tell me again that I'm ignorant.

Engauge your brain will you before you call me ignorant again.

I'm not against electric but with the tech we have today it's only a viable replacement for ice for a percentage of people. Probably people with a higher degree of wealth and control. People with less wealth and control will possibly face major issues.

Instead of pressing ahead with something that as it is now can only work for some and very likely not work for the more vulnerable and less powerful in society we should flip this around and only proceed when the technology is at a point at which the vast majority can see it as a viable alternative to ice.

And as I've put my view forward I'll now leave the debate to others who don't mind being labelled as ignorant because they don't unquestioningly drink the electric cool aid.
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Like I said, ignorant as displayed in your reply, so many inaccuracies.

Also hypocritical unless you’re posting with a phone or PC made of pixie dust.

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woof woof said:
Whereas people like you ignore the real world issues many people face of mobility, access, geography, charging, costs, the exploitation of slaves and children, the poisoning of the environment, the funding of oppressive regimes and any other inconvenient truth.

Good luck with that 100% renewable electricity. Any date as to when that'll be available? Today and for the foreseeable your car runs on electricity generated in part from gas and even coal and there have been some publicised instances of even charging by diesel generators.

As of today the reality is that electric vehicles are only a true viable alternative for a percentage of people. The less control you have over your life and surroundings the less likely electric is going to be a viable option but here we get into the realms of confining the plebs to their 15 minute ghettos or homes again. I'm sure forcing many off the roads and controlling travel is on the agenda for some.
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Most people do not do huge milage, especially in one go, do many do 200 miles every day? Yes there will be the odd trip to Scotland or Cornwall that needs a bit more planning but EV in terms of range would be suitable for what, 90% of population?

The issue for me is cost - the price of an ID3 for example (Golf equivalent) seemed a lot of money, the price of cars needs to come down. Maybe it will as they get more popular.

The other issue is home charging. I have a drive, but how will people in flats or victorian terraced houses in towns cope? No home charging so having to use expensive networks.
 
imattersuk said:
Like I said, ignorant as displayed in your reply, so many inaccuracies.
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Er... Where?

Pony up with specific answers to the questions electric faces or show yourself as someone with no answers. Only insults.

"We" need answers. Not hot air, vagaries or insults.

Where's your answers?
 
woof woof said:
Er... Where?

Pony up with specific answers to the questions electric faces or show yourself as someone with no answers. Only insults.

"We" need answers. Not hot air, vagaries or insults.

Where's your answers?
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Educate yourself and don’t be so rude, calling someone ignorant is not an insult.

CNN Wrongly Blames Electric Cars for Unethical Cobalt Mining

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cambsno said:
Most people do not do huge milage, especially in one go, do many do 200 miles every day? Yes there will be the odd trip to Scotland or Cornwall that needs a bit more planning but EV in terms of range would be suitable for what, 90% of population?

The issue for me is cost - the price of an ID3 for example (Golf equivalent) seemed a lot of money, the price of cars needs to come down. Maybe it will as they get more popular.

The other issue is home charging. I have a drive, but how will people in flats or victorian terraced houses in towns cope? No home charging so having to use expensive networks.
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VW have grossly overpriced the ID3 as have BMW, they need to adapt their business models quickly if they want to compete with the likes of Tesla, Polestar and Kia
 
Mr Bump said:
people like the OP just live in a me me world.
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I have to disagree, but then you knew I would.

I live here, in the centre of the circle.:

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My nearest garages are at A B and C, none of them have electric charging points. My front door is eight feet from the main road through the village, I have no driveway or off-road parking, so cannot charge at home -- what else can I say about me not wanting to use an electric car. As for 'me, me' :- half my large garden is turned over to wilding for the birds, animals and insects, I have rescued hedgehogs and over-wintered them, my dogs are rescue dogs and over the years, I have rescued dozens of guinea pigs and rabbits, building special housing for them so they can live out a decent life, even the goldfish in my pond were rescued from a guy who was about to chuck them on the lawn as he didn't want them and I had to dig a pond especially for them. I am a member of the Dog's Trust, the RSPB and The National Trust, I am so far from being 'me, me' that I can't even see 'me, me' in the distance, so I'm sure you'll forgive my one indiscretion about keeping my diesel vehicle on the road and decrying the false dawn that is Electric Vehicles.
 
imattersuk said:
Educate yourself and don’t be so rude, calling someone ignorant is not an insult.

CNN Wrongly Blames Electric Cars for Unethical Cobalt Mining

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www.desmog.com www.desmog.com
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Where was I rude? Engage your brain is the closest I've come but as you don't see calling me ignorant as an insult I wont see asking you to engage your brain or seeing you as an electric cool aid drinker as insults either.

Educating yourself should include gathering information from different sources and constructing a balanced view. I try to in all things. I'm not sure about you.

You believe electric is viable for people and the planet. In the forum it's in now and for the foreseeable I do not and more so as we move down the scale of wealth and control. These are people we should be placing more emphasis on not less.

Time will tell if this is the answer, an expensive misstep on the way to something else or a disaster. It's certainly not a viable path for me in its current state.

I can only hope that our policy maker will consider others who will be greatly impacted by this (I think... fat chance) rather than as you dismiss them as ignorant. A lazy, arrogant, dismissive and indeed ignorant approach imo and I suspect only used as you lack answers to the most basic questions of how this is going to work and replace ice.
 
woof woof said:
Where was I rude? Engage your brain is the closest I've come but as you don't see calling me ignorant as an insult I wont see asking you to engage your brain or seeing you as an electric cool aid drinker as insults either.

Educating yourself should include gathering information from different sources and constructing a balanced view. I try to in all things. I'm not sure about you.

You believe electric is viable for people and the planet. In the forum it's in now and for the foreseeable I do not and more so as we move down the scale of wealth and control. These are people we should be placing more emphasis on not less.

Time will tell if this is the answer, an expensive misstep on the way to something else or a disaster. It's certainly not a viable path for me in its current state.

I can only hope that our policy maker will consider others who will be greatly impacted by this (I think... fat chance) rather than as you dismiss them as ignorant. A lazy, arrogant, dismissive and indeed ignorant approach imo and I suspect only used as you lack answers to the most basic questions of how this is going to work and replace ice.
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Are you blind ?
 
imattersuk said:
Alan your ignorance on this subject is astounding, all of the “issues” you cite can also be linked to the production of ICE cars.
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Maybe, but the drivers of ICE cars aren't deluded enough to think we are saving the planet by driving them.
 
ecoleman said:
Maybe, but the drivers of ICE cars aren't deluded enough to think we are saving the planet by driving them.
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Of course, the whole climate change debate has been hijacked by eco warriors, climate change is a natural occurrence, adaptation is the key rather than trying to demonise those who don’t blindly follow their cultist views.
 
imattersuk said:
Of course, the whole climate change debate has been hijacked by eco warriors, climate change is a natural occurrence, adaptation is the key rather than trying to demonise those who don’t blindly follow their cultist views.
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I am unsure as to your position on climate change here. Are you saying that the climate is always changing and this isn't abnormal therefore there is nothing wrong with what we do or are you saying that climate change always happens (which it does) but we are influencing it far more quickly than would naturally occur? I suppose I am just asking if you are a climate change denier wherein you say humans are not adversely affecting the climate?

Just so my position is clear, I should state that I am sure in my own mind that we humans, merely by existing in such numbers, are causing rapid climate change and are on the cusp of destroying the world as we know it.
 
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