When cyclists attack

Amazing restraint from the driver but the biker IMO needs to be in prison.

I'm all for the law being applied equally but (again, IMO) cyclists get off with behaving very badly far too often.
 
wave01 said:
It's not just tax they should be insured as I said before. It's not always the motorist that is wrong.
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If not either of those just identifiable would be a positive step, so at least there is accountability should they be at fault?
Avoids the issue as seen here that physical action, that will not help should the matter go legal, had to be taken to avoid the cyclist just riding off knowing he is pretty much untracable...
 
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neil_g said:
As someone else said above, home insurance can cover cyclists. Some who take it more seriously take out dedicated cover.
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Does that cover damage the cyclist may do to others or just the cyclists injuries/damage? Obviously I only mean in context of cyclist at fault incidents otherwise the vehicle insurance would.
 
B1ts said:
Does that cover damage the cyclist may do to others or just the cyclists injuries/damage? Obviously I only mean in context of cyclist at fault incidents otherwise the vehicle insurance would.
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Can cover damage to others by members of your household, not just cyclists. Neighbours son smashed my car light years ago playing street hockey.
His mums home insurance paid for a new light.
 
Cool didn't know that, thanks.

Assumed specialist insurance prob would but good to know house insurance may next time I get a pedal scrape or damaged mirror or whatever as they historically claimed they had no insurance to cover it.
Continual hazard near one of my clients in central Cambridge otherwise known as cycle city :)

Just for the record both of those whilst I was stationary and one of ehich they were either drunk or hadmajor stability issues, both of course pedalled off unidentifiable....:(
That said I find the majority of cyclists pretty sensible, as with vehicles I suppose there are allways those that should possibly neither drive nor cycle but do so anyway...
 
There is a description below the video for those who need guidance before judgement.

I held onto him as he starts punches as I am out of the cab. I was holding on till the cops came.
 
woof woof said:
Amazing restraint from the driver but the biker IMO needs to be in prison.

I'm all for the law being applied equally but (again, IMO) cyclists get off with behaving very badly far too often.
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As apposed to all the drivers that speed, use their mobiles, use poor lane discipline etc. On my 1-1.5hr commute I'm 90% more likely to see a motor vehicle doing something stupid.

Like I said though, no need for violence.

phil8139 said:
There is a description below the video for those who need guidance before judgement.

I held onto him as he starts punches as I am out of the cab. I was holding on till the cops came.
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We'll have to take your word for that. To me its a case of two road users wind each other up like plonkers until at least one snaps. But I guess the thread title "two road users are equally daft" didn't have the same ring to it ;)
 
I was going to use :
Handsome trucker defends his beauty in cyclepathic onslaught, but there maybe Daily Mail readers who would run for the hills in panic.

Thought best to describe it as it really is to allow your opinion to almost matter ;)
 
I think you were pretty restrained, given that he was repeatedly throwing punches. If he was trying to overtake a big truck on a single lane road then it's his responsibility to do it safely. I think you can shout whatever you want from the cab, particularly if he's riding like an idiot.

Let us know what the police say...
 
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Brendan Mulachy said:
you both fight like girls:ROFLMAO:
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I am not inciting violence, but I saw plenty of opportunities to over power the cyclist ;) . Phil did look stronger than the cyclist, but it may not have done him any good, had he kicked the arse of the cyclist. Maybe Phil was letting the cyclist act like an idiot, as he knew he was recording it.

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The cyclist could not throw a decent punch thankfully ..
 
Cyclist a grade A d******d, but driver shouldn't have got out of the vehicle (or been conducting a verbal altercation for a couple of hundred yards).

As far as assault goes, you were doing ok until you kicked out and pulled him to the ground.
After that it's just two blokes who should know better, scrapping in the street.

Can't see the police being too interested tbh, and less so after they view the video.
 
"I don't need to look in front" o_O
 
The trouble is that the video does not show who initiated the violence - all it shows is the cyclist banging the front of the vehicle followed by two grown men scrapping in the street with both throwing obscenities the whole time.

The first bit showing any violence shows the OP holding onto the cyclist - i can assure you that if a random member of the public tried to hold onto me then I would do what I could to make them stop holding onto me as it's the "fight or flight" reflex - and it could have been "flight" rather than "fight" in this case.
 
foggy4ever said:
I find the right is the best place to filter past slow traffic if you use your brain. No different to a motorcycle, you just keep an eye on their mirrors and alway make sure you can safely move back in.
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How can you "safely move back in?" AKA "find someone who has left a safe space between the vehicle in frount and occupy it" Nearly took out a total (deleted) moped rider who came on my offside, then without warning made a left hand turn while I was in motion - straight across my bows

I hear a lot about impatient drivers who put cyclists at risk, but it rather seems to be impatient cyclists that refuse to slow down or stop when encountering a hazard
 
Makes a change the Motorist recording a cyclist, rather than the cyclist recording the Motorist. Every time I see a clip like this, it makes me want to invest in one :)
 
Cyclists lucky day, pick on the wrong driver and get battered by a baseball bat or stab with a knife. Avoid confrontation which could lead to road rage. Always the best option.
 
From the video, it would appear that while the driver aimed some choice words at the cyclist, the cyclist then caught up with him and struck his vehicle - so was fundementally the aggressor
 
The best way is to simply hold your hand up and mouth sorry, it really is that simple and it does work. I made a little boo boo while changing lanes the other day, the driver of the car I made the little boob boo in front of caught me up at the lights. I could tell by his manner he was ready for a bit of motoring aggro, I held my hand up and mouthed sorry. He waived back and roared off in his big bad boy car. This saves aggro, and does not waste your time arguing at the road side :)
 
It certainally looks like you "nudged" him and his bike when he came in front of you at the lights and you certainally started the second bout of handbags when all he wanted to do was get away
 
and yet another another reason for me to hate cyclists even more than i do now ,i think you showed restraint there phil ,personally i would have just decked the t*** ,put his bike under the truck and driven over it .you might have got done for that but what a smile on your face as you paid the fine :banana::banana::banana::banana:
 
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phil8139 said:
So what, in your opinion, did I do wrong behind the wheel?
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lets see..

not checking your mirrors before pulling away (unless you saw him and proceeded anyway?), unleashing a barrage of swear words fuelling the situation, it looks to me like you moved forward when the cyclist was in front of you possibly in a threatening manor which I think really blew the situation up and then finally getting out of the vehicle which again could be interpreted as threatening.

to be honest its a bit of a pointless video as most of the key parts are off screen and/or inaudible.

(again not advocating any violence but both parties actions caused the end result)
 
The truck looks like it moves forward because I applied the handbrake.
 
neil_g said:
lets see..

not checking your mirrors before pulling away (unless you saw him and proceeded anyway?)
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He was pulling away from a set of traffic lights not pulling out from the kerb. I'm sorry but if a cyclist has put themselves in close proximity to a vehicle and isn't safe, it's the cyclist that is wrong and not the driver.
 
nilagin said:
He was pulling away from a set of traffic lights not pulling out from the kerb. I'm sorry but if a cyclist has put themselves in close proximity to a vehicle and isn't safe, it's the cyclist that is wrong and not the driver.
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generally a good idea to check anyway, motorbikes are a bit of a pain for appearing on the right out of nowhere.

they're both in the wrong imo.
 
Personally, I think if anybody is trying to pin equal blame on the driver they are just out for typical TP argument.

And those that say that drivers are worse than cyclists - how many cars do you see driving down the pavements? (I say this as a driver and cyclist)
 
Rapscallion said:
Personally, I think if anybody is trying to pin equal blame on the driver they are just out for typical TP argument.

And those that say that drivers are worse than cyclists - how many cars do you see driving down the pavements? (I say this as a driver and cyclist)
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and i'm sure no motorist has EVER exceeded the speed limit lol
 
Gary Coyle said:
It certainally looks like you "nudged" him and his bike when he came in front of you at the lights and you certainally started the second bout of handbags when all he wanted to do was get away
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Regardless of whether the OP was blameless or not - which we can't see - on what planet is the cyclist entitled to cause criminal damage and carry out an assault?
 
Garry Edwards said:
Regardless of whether the OP was blameless or not - which we can't see - on what planet is the cyclist entitled to cause criminal damage and carry out an assault?
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Now exactly where in my quote did i say he was, and while were at it you might want to ask Phil if there was any actual criminal damage caused because nowhere in this thread does he say so one way or the other
 
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Gary Coyle said:
It certainally looks like you "nudged" him and his bike when he came in front of you at the lights and you certainally started the second bout of handbags when all he wanted to do was get away
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The second bout was a citizens arrest for assault.
 
Rapscallion said:
Personally, I think if anybody is trying to pin equal blame on the driver they are just out for typical TP argument.

And those that say that drivers are worse than cyclists - how many cars do you see driving down the pavements? (I say this as a driver and cyclist)
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not looking for an argument at all, i just think the OP is not 100% blameless.

do you reckon if the OP had not hurled a torrent of abuse out the window and just shrugged it off instead the outcome would have been the same?

i had a car driving along the pavement behind me while i was walking to the shops the other day, it was too impatient to wait for the skip lorry that was partially blocking the road to finish its manouver.
 
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