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If you haven't got any stats, just say so. Stats beat fear mongering and Fake News.
Essex sounds s*** though, but that's not much changed from when I knew it...
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If you haven't got any stats, just say so. Stats beat fear mongering and Fake News.
Essex sounds s*** though, but that's not much changed from when I knew it...
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And selective perception and confirmation bias.
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You don't know a lot then do you.
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Crime has risen since this government cut the police force by around 20,000 officers, the number of police officers is now at a 20 year low. I suspect that is more of a contributing factor than "social media"
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No-one said that social media was a contributing factor to crime.
You said that crime was no worse and then someone stated that because of social media, people are more aware of the crimes being committed, basically backing up your claim. That is what I debunked.
The number of police is only just below that in 2000.
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The Euphoria of wading in a hurting someone is irresistible to a person who has had their inhibitions removed by Alcohol or drugs or a combination, add to this a Lack of moral compass as NO teaching to understand what one is and you get a feral approach to many situations, some call it dog eat dog.
Every time something happens its at Night, Outside a pub / club or similar, alcohol or drugs is usual factor and people who have very little by way of education in understanding what it is to empathize
Think its bad now - its set to get much much worse, as many young people wholly believe that its their right to do what ever makes them feel good, continual positive reinforcement NO MATTER what they do in their lives. They have been allowed to have NO responsibility for their on actions and in a world where there is little law enforcement you will get little compliance.
The road manners decline is a good indicator for me.
Every time something happens its at Night, Outside a pub / club or similar, alcohol or drugs is usual factor and people who have very little by way of education in understanding what it is to empathize
Think its bad now - its set to get much much worse, as many young people wholly believe that its their right to do what ever makes them feel good, continual positive reinforcement NO MATTER what they do in their lives. They have been allowed to have NO responsibility for their on actions and in a world where there is little law enforcement you will get little compliance.
The road manners decline is a good indicator for me.
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Road manners decline has been somewhat led by the anti war on the motorist lobby. If you campaign to demonise methods of detecting law-breaking then you start legitimising law breaking.
The sheer number of cars on the road hasn’t helped either, basically, by giving everyone access to the utopian dream of driving everywhere whenever they want, you take that dream away with congestion.
The sheer number of cars on the road hasn’t helped either, basically, by giving everyone access to the utopian dream of driving everywhere whenever they want, you take that dream away with congestion.
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Yet another keyboard warrior who never spends time with young people, swallowing a media narrative based on fantasy.
Thank god the young people I know have more empathy and intelligence than the older generation who inhabit some corners of this site.
Instead of locking yourself away in fear, try getting out in the community and volunteering with youth sports, scouting or similar.
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I think Phil V has nailed this one directly, but I think I’d re-write the paragraph above with the 55-70 year olds as the subject instead of ‘many young people’. In my community, yes we have disaffected youth (but in the main they want to be a part of and contribute to the area). We have a fantastic cohort of much older people, who provide a backbone of social input an support. Then we have many that belong in the early retired, pensioned group of whom you see very little. They are exercising their rights, they’ve earned their lifestyle, and by god they are going to defend it. They wholly believe it is their right to do what ever makes them feel good, no matter what they do in their lives. Holidays, cars, expensive equipment, etc. They connect with law enforcement when it suits (i.e. to complain when enforcement doesn’t meet their needs, which it doesn’t, because vandals don’t get dealt with but they do when they speed - go catch real criminals!)
I think really the problem is not LASTOLITE’s rant against the young, or even perhaps this group (mentioned above) of priviledged people who have benefitted from good times but think it is their right to keep that benefit regardless, but that we have championed selfishness and individuals over the common good. Those that benefit believe they should carry on benefitting - enjoying their ‘hard earned money’, without seeing that their selfishness is a root cause of division in society.
How to fix it? Not easily. We’d have to accept that everyone contributes to society, and, in fact, it is our duty to do so. We’d have to look at how opinions are skewed in the country, realise that (for example) the Daily Express sensationalist way is wrong, and the Daily Mail has been a corrosive and hugely damaging influence on society. We have to go about rebuilding trust in Teachers, Social Workers, Police, MPs and so on. Trust has been eroded by media campaigns - why do we trust and believe The Mail The Express (other papers too, but these two are the worst) when they don’t campaign against their own disgusting editorial policies and evil behaviours)
We need to change politics so that politicians perform as leaders, collaboratively working, not as mob-followers, yah-booing each other.
We need to understand that the mob is not necessarily right, and wisdom is a hugely powerful tool that should trump this horrible new term ‘the will of the people’. We didn’t become a great society by blindly following the will of the people.
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He said many, not all youngsters. Not all youngsters partake in sports, scouting etc and even some of those that do, may well act differently when away from such surroundings.
There will always be those who become jealous of what others have and take the "easy" route to get what they want.
Perhaps you are fortunate where you live, but not all youth are as you find.
Although I say I live in Essex, I actually live in a London Borough, this means we get youths from other London Boroughs in our schools, sixth form colleges and secondary education colleges. Back in the 80's when I was an apprentice, when we went to college, we would get animosity from students who were from other boroughs, sometimes this resulted in fights all because as apprentices, we were being paid and most of us had cars.
Move forward 20yrs or so, Ford supplied land and some investment along with the local college for a new engineering college. This was Ford's new trade school for it's apprentices as well as college students. Again, apprentices were subject to animosity from some students, many who were from outside the area, for the same reasons as before plus the fact that apprentices were subsidised in the college cafeteria.
My eldest son went to this college as a student and even he was subject to animosity when other students found out where he lived, nothing happened fortunately but he was certainly relieved when the course he was on was moved to another borough.
Move on a few years again and what was a secondary school in our borough was turned into a 6th Form College. Problem is this 6th Form College is in a fairly affluent area and borders on a very affluent area. Since that college has opened and with a secondary college on the other side of the very affluent area, suddenly crime rates have started to grow in the area, what were fist fights in the 80's are now stabbings. Our youths are being mugged by gangs from outside of our borough, they come in on the train, start off in one town, mug one or two people, move onto the next town and repeat.
That element of people who feel they have a right to what others have worked for has always been there but the size of that element is growing.
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How is working hard and being able to afford nice things and wanting to retain it selfish? What a load of bull. The selfishness and division in society is on those who instead of working hard to get themselves in a similar position, take the easy route and attempt to take what others have worked hard for.
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We’re all of us in the gutter, some are looking at the stars.
I can’t change your outlook, I can only look after my own outlook.
Meanwhile; forget the stats, in the late 80’s early 90’s almost all my friends and family were victims of car crime. I had my car broken into twice, and 2 cars stolen. And no one I know has had a car nicked in the last 10 years.
That personal experience seems to match the stats too.
But feel free to wallow in your self inflicted misery, I’ll carry on being happy with my family in my safe neighbourhood on a seemingly foreign planet.
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What self inflicted misery?
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Please read the whole post.
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So it is OK to demonise whole chunks of society because they don't fit a comfortable, well off viewpoint, but totally wrong when the boot is on the other foot.
This country will be fixed if people take the time to find out what the world is really like, not regurgitate tabloid media pap evil.
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No one is demonizing large chunks of society, nor regurgitating tabloid media pap evil, perhaps you ought to practice your own advice and take proper notice of what is going on not just around you but further away from that lovely little rock with pretty flowers painted on that you are obviously living under.
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Well I say anyone who has a different world view to me must live under a rock.
I mean, they must 'cause my world view is right.
So that's you lot f***ed then.
As for statistics - I don't need no stinkin' statistics.
I mean, they must 'cause my world view is right.
So that's you lot f***ed then.
As for statistics - I don't need no stinkin' statistics.
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O dear phil Me a keyboard warrior seriously Have you seen how many posts you have written on here 22k plus. Your characterization of me is way off, and we know why dont we! I hardly come here. Way to busy with work....
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Another beer before bedtime?
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No different to over here in Ireland, most towns an Cities here turn into right s***holes in the early hours any given weekend. I've been involved in, and witnessed some awful incidents. Got attacked myself a number of times, wrong place wrong time, saying the wrong thing, looking at the wrong nut-job the wrong way or whatever, I've managed to defend myself many times but there's been other times I couldn't. You get the upper hand, and that t*** and his mates jumping in can see you end in A&E ... you learn the areas to avoid at 3am, it's part and parcel of growing up and maturing through your weekend out ventures.
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A lot of cancer sufferers actually die from pneumonia.
My mum died after 2 serious cases of breast cancer. On her death certificate, cause of death was pneumonia.
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You’re right, instead of spending the last 9 years on here helping photographers and out in the community with young people, I should have been ‘busy with work’ and building up uninformed hatred for future generations. I wish you’d pointed that out earlier so that I could be an angry bitter old git instead of a balanced happy bloke
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Balanced?You’re right, instead of spending the last 9 years on here helping photographers and out in the community with young people, I should have been ‘busy with work’ and building up uninformed hatred for future generations. I wish you’d pointed that out earlier so that I could be an angry bitter old git instead of a balanced happy bloke
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Bit late for the Queen's New Year's Honours list. Try again at the end of the year.You’re right, instead of spending the last 9 years on here helping photographers and out in the community with young people, I should have been ‘busy with work’ and building up uninformed hatred for future generations. I wish you’d pointed that out earlier so that I could be an angry bitter old git instead of a balanced happy bloke
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Why escalate it to 'large chunks"?
Exaggeration and anger are common bedfellows.
The simple fact is that we live in a pretty safe society and are lucky to do so. It would be far safer if some of the more selfish members of society accepted they could help by contributing more, but that wouldn't sell the Express, Mail or Telegraph.
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You seem fixated on newspapers. Who are these selfish members? On what grounds are they selfish and what contribution do you think they should be making?
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I'm not going to repeat myself; even if there was a point.
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You mean the same bull you wrote before. Yes best you crawl back under your pretty little rock.
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You really are a rather unnecessarily angry person.
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