What has the UK come to

[Phil V]

What a terrible disrespect of human life and natural law on all sides described. This sounds exactly like violent and ruthless youth produced by atheist communist regimes - pretty much on purpose too. Believe me I recognise this kind very well. I will agree this is not an exclusively british thing. Its a different sort of nature, one of the Unholy One. This is not right and I had already made my opinion very clear why this is going on. You might not want to accept that but I'm afraid its the truth.

What’s god got to do with it.
What you know of the world could be written on a pin head, your medieval beliefs are hilarious.
Now crawl back under your rock, there’s a good lad

 

[BigJohn]

I've not read all this thread, but hours into 2019 I've just read that two people have been stabbed to death in London and another two injured. From what I read one of the deceased was a doorman stopping a group entering a party and the other was a young woman who was trying to help close a door. This is awful and more than likely London's first two murders of the year.
Elsewhere in London a young woman was shot in the leg. As well as a suspected terrorists attack in Manchester new year's Eve.
All of this and the year has only just begun.

 

[gman]

What a terrible disrespect of human life and natural law on all sides described. This sounds exactly like violent and ruthless youth produced by atheist communist regimes - pretty much on purpose too. Believe me I recognise this kind very well. I will agree this is not an exclusively british thing. Its a different sort of nature, one of the Unholy One. This is not right and I had already made my opinion very clear why this is going on. You might not want to accept that but I'm afraid its the truth.

This is very true, I've been fortunate enough to have been raised in Capitalist Glasgow where there's never been any violence on account of religion by Christian youths. I checked with my friends in Capitalist Northern Ireland and they also agree.

 

[Phil V]

This is very true, I've been fortunate enough to have been raised in Capitalist Glasgow where there's never been any violence on account of religion by Christian youths. I checked with my friends in Capitalist Northern Ireland and they also agree.

How do I get to like this twice... Once doesn’t seem enough.

Did someone ought to let @LongLensPhotography know about the murder rate in the very capitalist and religious United States. It strikes me there may be not an ounce of actual evidence to support the drivel that he spouts.

 

[Server Hamster]

It strikes me there may be not an ounce of actual evidence to support the drivel that he spouts.

UK - breitbart
US / world agregate - drudgereport
US - Infowars and some foxnews

 

[LongLensPhotography]

This is very true, I've been fortunate enough to have been raised in Capitalist Glasgow where there's never been any violence on account of religion by Christian youths. I checked with my friends in Capitalist Northern Ireland and they also agree.

I honestly wouldn't go as far as calling them Christian. Their thoughts and actions speak of their true affiliations - those of violence and horror.

Also Glasgow is probably not a shining example of true free market capitalist economy. From experience it felt distinctly socialist when I was there for nearly two years. Probably Venezuela or former USSR in their days of "glory" are even higher rated in your books. You could get free holidays in Siberia, free aurora displays, lots of healthy exercise in the clean air within a gated community and personal trainers to make sure you are doing your best. That would like a dream come true, wouldn't it?

 

[Phil V]

I honestly wouldn't go as far as calling them Christian. Their thoughts and actions speak of their true affiliations - those of violence and horror.

Then that’s exactly how I’d expect them to behave. After all doesn’t your god advocate killing?

Have a good old look at homicide rates around the world, the top half of the table is full of good christian countries, and down there at the bottom? Western Europe where we’re growing out of a belief in sky fairies and relying on our own moral code - based on mutual respect for all people, not just people wo believe in the same sky fairy as us.

 

[gman]

I honestly wouldn't go as far as calling them Christian. Their thoughts and actions speak of their true affiliations - those of violence and horror.

Also Glasgow is probably not a shining example of true free market capitalist economy. From experience it felt distinctly socialist when I was there for nearly two years. Probably Venezuela or former USSR in their days of "glory" are even higher rated in your books. You could get free holidays in Siberia, free aurora displays, lots of healthy exercise in the clean air within a gated community and personal trainers to make sure you are doing your best. That would like a dream come true, wouldn't it?

You are now changing the parameters and effectively cherry picking based on your opinions rather than facts to suit your argument.

You are labelling me as a socialist Communist? Do you know me but at all? Lol

 

[Nod]

the Unholy One

Who is this "Unholy One"?

 

[Server Hamster]

Talking about Glasgow, and we've unironically strayed into No True Scotsman territory...

 

[LongLensPhotography]

You are now changing the parameters and effectively cherry picking based on your opinions rather than facts to suit your argument.

I only use only a fraction of what many of you routinely do here to suit pushing your favourite agenda. Maybe I should use some more...

You are labelling me as a socialist Communist? Do you know me but at all? Lol

If you insist on going deeper down the rabbit hole by adopting marxist terminology in your latest replies it is the least I could do to reward it. Not everyone here is even remotely aware of the horrors of the communism and socialism (which always leads to the former) and people need to be warned about it before we physically get another taster.

Who is this "Unholy One"?

It has many names. It may be fun to go along with that nasty entity but it never leads to anything good in the end.

 

[simon ess]

So much fear, so much anger, so much hatred.

It must be desperate in there.

 

[munch]

Oh for your gods sake give it rest "long lens photography" You must realise by now most of us on here don't share your views on "religion" This is not a religious forum.

 

[gman]

If you insist on going deeper down the rabbit hole by adopting marxist terminology in your latest replies

Marxist terminology? It was sarcasm and facts. You didn't like the facts so you introduced opinion based on having lived in Glasgow for two years, which doesn't necessarily mean exposure or experience especially depending on when you were in Glasgow.

Because I put the word 'capitalist' in front of each location you suddenly think a whole ideology is involved? I don't think you've read many of my previous posts on here.

Out of interest, which Communist countries have you lived in, when and for how long?

 

[Phil V]

I only use only a fraction of what many of you routinely do here to suit pushing your favourite agenda. Maybe I should use some more...

It’s been said before; not that you can comprehend it.

The ‘morals’ associated with religion are based on the fact that people will do horrible things, and only by following a god will they be absolved of guilt, and that they should live a good life to get a reward after death.

The idea that that story will make people ‘better’ is clearly poppycock, it relies on only being good for a ‘reward’ and the reason why so much evil is performed by ‘religious’ people.

Atheist (or humanist) morals are based on a simpler premise, just be nice to people because this is the only chance we have. Of course not everyone will, but at least they will do immoral things knowing they’ve done wrong and that it’s up to them to make amends, there’s no god to save us.

If you’re still reading this (doubtful) can you give us your thoughts on why religious countries have higher murder rates?

 

[viv1969]

As stated before, Christians are responsible for more horrific slayings than any other religions combined.

 

[Nod]

It has many names. It may be fun to go along with that nasty entity but it never leads to anything good in the end.

I'd like a straight answer, please. You mentioned the "Unholy ONE" - who is he/she?

 

[LongLensPhotography]

Out of interest, which Communist countries have you lived in, when and for how long?

I think I had answered that bit already in my reply. Obviously you'd have to speak to my grandparents for the full version of the story about auroras as the whole thing collapsed when I was around 6 or 7 but even then I do clearly remember it being a very nasty regime that would literally stomp on your face at any opportunity. I will never forgive communists or anyone behind their masterplan. There is no nastier ideology on this planet.

I'd like a straight answer, please. You mentioned the "Unholy ONE" - who is he/she?

I am not sure if it is a he or she, probably gender fluid

 

[LongLensPhotography]

Oh for your gods sake give it rest "long lens photography" You must realise by now most of us on here don't share your views on "religion" This is not a religious forum.

viciously anti-religious for sure. Guess what I am making it normal for others to say what they really believe or feel by showing that it is OK not to cave in to this. Good people are too shy and that is a big problem.

 

[gman]

I think I had answered that bit already in my reply. Obviously you'd have to speak to my grandparents for the full version of the story about auroras as the whole thing collapsed when I was around 6 or 7 but even then I do clearly remember it being a very nasty regime that would literally stomp on your face at any opportunity. I will never forgive communists or anyone behind their masterplan. There is no nastier ideology on this planet.

It feels as though you are arguing against Communism with me, which is strange because I am no advocate of it and I have never suggested such. I feel that the whole insinuation has come from me simply highlighting Glasgow and Belfast as being Capitalist cities and you've taken that as my implying it negatively. But I merely used it in the factual sense.

Perhaps your apparent hatred for Communism has made you a little hasty with your judgement of my beliefs. From what you have said above I get the impression that your views are due to influence from your Grandparents rather than your own experience. Nothing wrong with listening to your elders and drawing from their experiences, well sometimes it can be. Take anti-English sentiment among many Scottish people, sectarianism crap between Catholics and Protestants, the hatred between Sunni and Shia Muslims and racism. In my opinion these all come predominantly from indoctrination by elders (or other influential people) in some form or another. Unless you believe that the two five year old children of different races who are best friends suddenly decide on their own account to hate each other because of their differing skin colour?

I can appreciate that Communism is one of those systems that may look good in theory, but can and never will work in reality because of the very nature of humans. As said, I'm not an advocate of Communism so I'm really not sure why you are arguing about this with me?

Good people are too shy and that is a big problem.

And religious fanatics are too mouthy. If only they were shy then perhaps there would be a less indoctrination in the world...

 

[LongLensPhotography]

As said, I'm not an advocate of Communism so I'm really not sure why you are arguing about this with me?

This certainly wasn't the intention, but once capitalism gets dragged through similar ironic treatment it inevitably leads to it. There are too many brainwashed 20-year olds with zero knowledge of history and significant leftist indoctrination. So this has to be said again and again.

And religious fanatics are too mouthy. If only they were shy then perhaps there would be a less indoctrination in the world...

Perhaps we need a bit more of indoctrination. For the start the sort of "love your neighbour as yourself" - this is basically what it is all about - and we just might have a lot less problems that were the reason for starting this thread - not by myself - or worse the comment I just had to pick up on (a complete disregard of human life in the whole community let alone well being in general). I am not sure exactly what you refer to as fanatics as it could mean too many things below the surface. And right now things are so bad that it calls for a lot more than a basic quiet maintenance - and not just on a religious level but rather people now openly stabbing or robbing each other. This has to stop and I hope we can at least agree that it can't be stopped with just more police or harsher sentences.

 

[Phil V]

There are too many brainwashed 20-year olds with zero knowledge of history and significant leftist indoctrination. So this has to be said again and again.

The problems I’m seeing in the world are due to people who try to defend their political and social ideology by cloaking it in religion.

And of course there’s nothing more ignorant than a religious person who can’t get their head around the fact that they’re only less deity away from being an atheist.

Your certainty that every other religion is false, but yours is true, is very close to my certainty that they’re all false.

 

[Phil V]

just had to pick up on (a complete disregard of human life in the whole community let alone well being in general).

And have ignored that this problem is actually worse in societies where there’s more religion (particularly Christianity) because you like to preach superiority but the facts don’t support your belief.

 

[Phil V]

Obviously you'd have to speak to my grandparents for the full version of the story about auroras as the whole thing collapsed when I was around 6 or 7 but even then I do clearly remember it being a very nasty regime that would literally stomp on your face at any opportunity.

Completely confused and conflating a dictatorship with communism.

I’m no defender of communism, but again, context helps us understand the massive difference between actual Marxism and a totalitarian regime.

 

[Nod]

I am not sure if it is a he or she, probably gender fluid

So, again I'd like a straight answer - who is it? By what name(s) is it known?

 

[Pound Coin]

Perhaps we need a bit more of indoctrination. For the start the sort of "love your neighbour as yourself" - this is basically what it is all about - and we just might have a lot less problems that were the reason for starting this thread - not by myself - or worse the comment I just had to pick up on (a complete disregard of human life in the whole community let alone well being in general). I am not sure exactly what you refer to as fanatics as it could mean too many things below the surface. And right now things are so bad that it calls for a lot more than a basic quiet maintenance - and not just on a religious level but rather people now openly stabbing or robbing each other. This has to stop and I hope we can at least agree that it can't be stopped with just more police or harsher sentences.

The thing, though, is that you can love your neighbour without any of the weird stuff.

You know, the weird stuff where believers have to get others to believe what they do to help them validate their own flimsy beliefs.
The weird stuff that is generated to fill gaps in knowledge.
The weird stuff where your god is bigger than anyone else’s, and besides their gods are rubbish and pagan and generally crap. And not gods. Obv.
The weird stuff where god hung around for 4.5 billion years doing b****r all with Protozoa and slimy things, then made man and became fulfilled. Then is letting man funk up his creation royally with plastic and pollution.
The weird stuff wherever men of god abuse everyone else by making cathedrals and having gold tinted robes, whilst the population eats scraps. So much for do unto others what you do unto yourself.
The weird stuff where the universe is so unimaginably big that god must be hellish busy, mustn’t he. (He is a white man, isn’t he?)
The weird fighty stuff, you know, like the Crusades. If others don’t believe in god, kill them! (Remember, children, killing someone to promote your god is fine)
and so on...

However, it is still possible to love your neighbour and do unto others without god. It is a much cleaner and less selfish way of living, because it stops being all about making the individual happy inside.

 

[gman]

Perhaps we need a bit more of indoctrination. For the start the sort of "love your neighbour as yourself" - this is basically what it is all about - and we just might have a lot less problems that were the reason for starting this thread - not by myself - or worse the comment I just had to pick up on (a complete disregard of human life in the whole community let alone well being in general). I am not sure exactly what you refer to as fanatics as it could mean too many things below the surface. And right now things are so bad that it calls for a lot more than a basic quiet maintenance - and not just on a religious level but rather people now openly stabbing or robbing each other. This has to stop and I hope we can at least agree that it can't be stopped with just more police or harsher sentences.

'Fanatic' to me is anything taken to excessive and unhealthy levels. l guess it can be subjective on where the level is but I think many cases are obvious.

I don't see why you need a religion to be a good person unless perhaps one is easily led astray? But then that would also make you very susceptible to radicalisation.

Of course whenever bad things are done under the umbrella of religion it is claimed that they aren't really religious, as you clearly demonstrated a few posts back.

In my opinion I have no doubt whatsoever that religions are man made and perhaps they did have a purpose to control people a long time long before we have the science and society which we have now. But one thing is for sure, so long as religion continues to indoctrinate children it will probably never go away. But I reckon if children weren't exposed to it then religion would probably not last another generation.

What's your thoughts on modern religions such as Scientology?

 

[sirch]

And right now things are so bad

No they are not!

Things are better now than they ever were, particularly in developed countries. The notion that some time ago people weren't robbing and stabbing each other is complete fantasy, there has always been crime and violent crime. People are healthier, live longer, are safer at home and work, have better health care now than ever before.

But of course none of that sells tabloid newspapers so they have to keep telling us how bad things are.

What has changed is better recording and reporting, Jimmy Saville would not be allowed to roam around hospitals at night anymore but because these things are no longer covered up. Wider reporting tends to give the impression that things are worse when in reality it is that very openness that helps make everyone’s life better.

 

[Pound Coin]

You have to add Social Media into the pot. Something happens and gets a FaceAche post or a Twit and suddenly hundred of thousands of people know about it. This never used to happen.

 

[nilagin]

You have to add Social Media into the pot. Something happens and gets a FaceAche post or a Twit and suddenly hundred of thousands of people k8now about it. This never used to happen.

Social media has been around for a few years now and crime has risen since then. Car and bike thefts are on the increase, the culprits becoming bolder. Muggings for phones etc. It must be a pretty rock your living under.

 

[LongLensPhotography]

No they are not!

Things are better now than they ever were, particularly in developed countries. The notion that some time ago people weren't robbing and stabbing each other is complete fantasy, there has always been crime and violent crime. People are healthier, live longer, are safer at home and work, have better health care now than ever before.

But of course none of that sells tabloid newspapers so they have to keep telling us how bad things are.

What has changed is better recording and reporting, Jimmy Saville would not be allowed to roam around hospitals at night anymore but because these things are no longer covered up. Wider reporting tends to give the impression that things are worse when in reality it is that very openness that helps make everyone’s life better.

I truly wish you were right... and of course newspapers will publish the worst of the worst on the front page. But there is a lot of truth in it. You start dating and you already have fears when she is going to divorce you... stuff like that which makes your life ultimate s***. And the latest stats show the life expectancy bare minimum hasn't increased or even slightly went down here in UK and US. Cancers are through the roof when it wasn't even in a vocabulary 100 years ago (of course then you could get killed by a simple treatable bug). So its not straightforward, thus we need to identify and point out the problem areas so that we can truly move forward.

What's your thoughts on modern religions such as Scientology?

Not very good thoughts probably. They have a habit of suing everyone talking on the subject so I'll just leave it at that.

Communism is a modern-ish "religion", worshiping the supreme leaders and / or state. They literally have pictures of these assholes in every room and office, recite poems and actually cry for a week when they die. It's that crazy.

I don't see why you need a religion to be a good person unless perhaps one is easily led astray? But then that would also make you very susceptible to radicalisation.

It is widely admitted even in the top religious circles that there are perfectly moral and exemplary people outside the church. That's great then. But mostly it doesn't work like that and for example we already have families breaking up on scales never seen before. Do you fancy designer babies or genetic mutants raised for as super soldiers? We are in for a wild ride ahead. And then you pretty much might end up losing your reservation at the next level. Even if you personally give it a small chance you have nothing to lose, but a lot to gain. The world is far more complicated than you see with your eyes. We have no idea about 95% even after you get deep into the incredibly strange world of quantum physics. Let's just say the atoms are basically electromagnetic waves and pairs of particles are entangled over space.... and it just gets crazier beyond that.

For radicalisation to take place something needs to be taken very badly out of context so much so that the whole thing is turned upside down and becomes the opposite of the original teaching. So the 10 commandments say do not kill or steal and yet these crazy people get straight to that. That would be like saying you can be a vegan working as a butcher in a slaughterhouse.... or physically attack and hurt non-vegans. Radicalisation is typically a product of poorly educated people led astray by very sinister groups and individuals. You could probably do a research what the British did in the middle east over a 100 years ago and maybe and how it ties in to todays problems.

 

[Pound Coin]

Social media has been around for a few years now and crime has risen since then. Car and bike thefts are on the increase, the culprits becoming bolder. Muggings for phones etc. It must be a pretty rock your living under.

It would be great to have some stats to back up what you are saying.

 

[Pound Coin]

For radicalisation to take place something needs to be taken very badly out of context so much so that the whole thing is turned upside down and becomes the opposite of the original teaching. So the 10 commandments say do not kill or steal and yet these crazy people get straight to that. That would be like saying you can be a vegan working as a butcher in a slaughterhouse.... or physically attack and hurt non-vegans. .

Here are a few news stories,

On-the-run vicar jailed for church fees thefts | Swindon Advertiserwww.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/.../13503718.On_the_run_vicar_jailed_for_church_fees_...

Vicar admits stealing more than £100,000 from his Liverpool church ...https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk › News › Liverpool News › Courts

These, presumably, are not crazy people doing this?

 

[sirch]

Cancers are through the roof when it wasn't even in a vocabulary 100 years ago (of course then you could get killed by a simple treatable bug).

You answered your own point there, if you look at the cancer demographics 3/4 of cancer cases are in the over 60's

Put simply people used to die of diseases that are now curable before they lived long enough to get cancer.

 

[Nod]

Cancers are through the roof when it wasn't even in a vocabulary 100 years ago

How much ignorance can there possibly be in a sentence like that?

Have a look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_cancer and educate yourself just a teeny-weeny little bit before making (more) false claims.

 

[sirch]

The other thing, going back to my earlier point about things being unreported or covered up, is that when someone died of cancer it was usually reported as "they died after a long illness", in fact people were shocked when Richard Dimbleby admitted he was ill with cancer, it wasn't the "done thing" to talk about cancer.

 

[Pound Coin]

Interestingly, the simple treatable bugs were not always treatable, and that killed a lot of people. As those diseases have been largely tamed we die of something else. Like cancer, or dementia.

 

[Phil V]

Interestingly, the simple treatable bugs were not always treatable, and that killed a lot of people. As those diseases have been largely tamed we die of something else. Like cancer, or dementia.

Entropy - the simple explanation for the natural deterioration of living things that religion is invented to cover up because the weak minded don’t want to admit that they’re born to die.

 

[nilagin]

It would be great to have some stats to back up what you are saying.

Stats will only come from the internet. Try finding out what goes on around you.
When you have lived in the same area all your life you get to know what is normal and not normal.
Two police officers and a retired police officer, train at the gym I go to, they confirm that there is more crime. When I bought my car in September 2017, the dealer gave me a letter from Essex Police about car crime in the area with recommendations on what to do to reduce the chances of becoming one of those statistics. A local town to me was one of the most notorious in Britain for car theft back in the 80's, it isn't so prominent now but the number of cars stolen is much higher, most of the cars heading to containers at a local port on the Thames and shipped abroad. Groups of youths coming into the area by train and mugging school kids, shoplifting, stealing bikes from the racks at the stations, youths on stolen scooters riding around without crash helmets, mugging people, vandalizing cars, causing mayhem on high streets, fly tipping, not just at the side of a road but blocking roads. All that has been increasing in just one borough over the last few years, way beyond anything encountered in all the previous years and highly unlikely that it is peculiar to just one borough, it is escalating across the country.

 

[gman]

You start dating and you already have fears when she is going to divorce you...

You got to be kidding? You start dating and you have fears that she wants to marry you! Haha!

Well, you have your beliefs and I have mine. Neither will change so I think this is as good a time as any to end things on a civil note.