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I live in the lowest crime county in the UK statistically but that does not mean crime is low.
I can only dread to think what it is like everywhere else to be honest.
18 year old nephew went out on a works do last night and must have got separated from the group somehow.
He was found by a woman lying on the ground being viciously kicked in head by two men.
It is a common occurrence, I have heard so many stories of this happening locally.
Random beatings for no reason at all on people they don't even know.
How can there be such vile blokes about, he looks about 15 years old.
 
Fights do happen but what other reason can there be to kick someone in the head other than to cause them brain damage or to seriously injury/kill them? It's not just guys, women can be equally as vile as seen just recently in Glasgow and you'll notice how the little tramp quickly runs away after doing it.
 
Sorry to hear that Caerus.

Fights have always happened, we've not been a very nice country to be in for centuries. They get reported more reported now though, in the FaceBook era.

Glasgow was rough as anything some 50 years ago.

For now though, I think the whole self-interested "Me! Me!", attitude to the world has a lot to answer for. It's someone else's responsibility to manage stuff out there. I vote for what's good for me. Like lower taxes...
 
Thanks guys, he did go to hospital for tests but the Dr said he thought they only managed to get a few kicks in. Still has a massive lump on his head though.

It would seem the lady who seen it shouted loudly and disturbed the attack early, perhaps the aim was to hospitalise someone on Xmas day for a "laugh"
 
Caerus said:
I live in the lowest crime county in the UK statistically but that does not mean crime is low. etc................
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Therein lies the rub. There is crime and there is recorded crime. There is crime that receives no police attention and crime that the police try to follow through, but get nowhere. There is crime that goes all the way to conviction, but the sentence is so lenient as to be pointless.
Much crime is drink related. When do you ever hear of landlords losing their licence for selling drink to people who have already had too much. That used to happen (many moons ago).
There is an abundance of TV programs showing the police dealing with louts who are thoroughly abusive etc. Rarely does that lead to arrest, but it bloody well should and it should happen without a warning being given because it is clearly intolerable.
Tolerating bad behaviour ensures that more will occur.
I suppose many problems start early in life if there are bad parents who allow children to turn into scrotes.
 
You have to admit that almost everything in tandem that happened over the last 50 or more years is to blame. You can make a long list of things some obvious some less but its a slippery slope and we are still nearly at the top. Enjoy the ride!
 
I live practically next door to a night club here at Folkestone and last night was more rowdier than usual which was a bit unnerving. I don't want to begrudge people having a drink and a good time to wind down or celebrate, but I could never get why anyone would want to get smashed out of their heads and putting innocent bystanders at risk in doing so.
I'm waiting for the day when there is news of the establishment closing down, but it's only hanging on for dear life because it is the last late night club left standing in the town. And before anyone ask why "I moved next door to one", I lived in the same place for 36 years and that place sprang out of nowhere 20 years ago, so if one of us have to go, it'll be that place.
 
gman said:
Pun intended? :exit:
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Ah, wasn't intentional.

PS: One of my nephews got punched in the mouth which took a teeth out during an unprovoked attack outside that said night club a few years ago. I don't know the full story but it just reinforces my dismay over it all.
 
If you are out minding your own business, and should you get attacked. You are supposed to defend yourself, but if you throw a punch in defence, you are seen to be having a fight. People always say, "they are having a fight", never " he / she is being attacked, and they are defending themselves".

@Caerus wishing your Nephew a speedy recovery.
 
gman said:
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It doesn't even matter. It does a similar thing anyway over longer term. And the liver too... Why would you want to do this to yourself? I could obviously ask this a certain family member and he'd never come up with a good answer.
 
Lack of understanding of consequence.
When I was younger, I wouldn't have stamped on someone's head. Why? Because for one I'm not that kind of person, but mainly because I know that doing so can kill someone.
It's one thing to want to have a bit of a scrap, or be angry enough to want to punch someone, but to stamp on someone's head requires a special disassociation from the consequences of their actions.

Do they understand how dangerous it is? Or do they just not care.

Either is unacceptable (
 
Marcel said:
Do they understand how dangerous it is? Or do they just not care.
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I would hesitate a guess of "yes" and "no" respectively.

God knows at what point in their life did they suddenly think it's ok to do these sort of things.
 
Marcel said:
Lack of understanding of consequence.
When I was younger, I wouldn't have stamped on someone's head. Why? Because for one I'm not that kind of person, but mainly because I know that doing so can kill someone.
It's one thing to want to have a bit of a scrap, or be angry enough to want to punch someone, but to stamp on someone's head requires a special disassociation from the consequences of their actions.

Do they understand how dangerous it is? Or do they just not care.

Either is unacceptable (
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I think as well its the low risk of anything happening. Yes, with CCTV etc... you are possibly more likely to be caught / arrested but you see on TV the way the law acts (or doesn't act) when faced with abusive louts. Chances are (as long as it was just a kicking and no serious injury) that person will not be charged.
 
It's no worse than it's ever been.

The last hour in many nightclubs in the 70s and 80s was violence to music.
 
I agree with Simon when I was at university nearly 3 decades ago someone was kicked to death outside a night club and on more than one occasion the police closed the city centre due to outbreaks of violence. That's 30 years ago so it's nothing new, but old news doesn't sell tabloids.

The things that has changed is that over the last 10 years the number of police has dropped significantly and you can't prevent fights with CCTV
 
CCTV is no guarantee. I was assaulted in a Tesco petrol station when I was on the pump in daylight with CCTY.

Blind spot Tesco said, the police decided to leave it several days before visiting the culprit and gave him a warning.

I was bleeding and how is that not actual bodily harm. I had witnesses also. Joke
 
What has the UK come to

Its a better place than it was 10 yrs ago.. Its a better place than it was 20 yrs ago.. it's a better place than it was 30,40 ,50 yrs ago

Either find me a place thats better or stop whinging :(

Reading the thread.. all this and he has a lump on his head otherwise OK ? Glad to hear it....yes I am... just sick of listening to people like you slagging off your own country though :(
 
KIPAX said:
Either find me a place thats better or stop whinging :(
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Tenerife, Austria, Switzerland, Luxemboug, New Zealand hands down. Probably a fair few more if you are willing to compromise on something.
 
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I was beaten up 30+ odd years ago as a 16 year old, just walking through town one lunchtime, rowdy mob shouted at me asking the time, I told them to '[PLEASE DON'T TRY TO BYPASS THE SWEAR FILTER] off', one of the punched me in the face, I assumed the 'fighting stance', said I didn't want to fight but would, and they ran off.

I learnt two things from that - karate lessons paid off ;), but more importantly, if I'd not been such a cocky gobs***e back to them, I probably would not have been hit in the first place. Thankfully, it was the latter I took to heart! But it's true it has always happened - I didn't tell a soul, too embarrassed. I explained my bloody nose at work withsome laughably absurd accident involving a plank of wood and a local hardware store - nothing got reported.

I do think some things have changed however. Back then, it was a fight born from egos, today, the same is true, but there's also the fact that people are walking around with £100's worth of saleable electronics in their pockets, that adds a financial motive to the attacks. Also today, people are far more likely to talk about it, even if they don't report it formally.
 
Just a point that i feel has a bearing, i worked with a young lady that was jailed for benefit fraud, she cried when they released her, she had enjoyed her stay in prison so much.
 
I recall working with someone who had been assaulted for no obvious reason - he had been minding his own business in a queue outside a nightclub before being set up on by "pikies". He says they don't like armed forces (he was in the Royal Navy) and will actively try to start fights with them. IMO the armed forces are there to protect the UK and its interests, and any unprovoked assaults like this should result in automatic jail sentences.

On another occasion, I was out with a group of friends. All men. We went to a club and were just on the dancefloor. One of them was randomly punched in the back of the head. Again - out of the blue. Turns out he had been dancing with a girl, and the girl's boyfriend didn't like it. There was no argument, no shouting, just a single punch.
 
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KIPAX said:
What has the UK come to

Its a better place than it was 10 yrs ago.. Its a better place than it was 20 yrs ago.. it's a better place than it was 30,40 ,50 yrs ago

Either find me a place thats better or stop whinging :(

Reading the thread.. all this and he has a lump on his head otherwise OK ? Glad to hear it....yes I am... just sick of listening to people like you slagging off your own country though :(
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Thanks for your opinion, very interesting :ty:
 
I was a night taxi driver for around 20 years , when I first started I seldom saw street fights , at the end of my time it had become far worse I think the rise in the use of cocaine and or crack is the main driving force behind it as users think they are some sort of super hero .. and to be totally honest I was really happy to retire wouldn’t like to be doing that job now ...
 
And Finland, Norway, Denmark have some of the highest levels of taxation and the best social care, highest levels of social mobility, good health care :-)
 
I have a friend in Norway who is desperate to move here, and I’d love to Live in Norway, so the grass isn’t always greener.
Everywhere has it problems, every city centre at 2am in the morning will have drunken fights anywhere in the (un) civilised world.
 
Turns out a witness seen it all from her house.
The sickos beat him, walked off and shortly after one of them returned and beat him a second time.
What kind of a freak goes back to assault someone after they already done it once.
 
Caerus said:
Turns out a witness seen it all from her house.
The sickos beat him, walked off and shortly after one of them returned and beat him a second time.
What kind of a freak goes back to assault someone after they already done it once.
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Unfortunately that’s not as rare as you’d like to think. Nor is it a ‘british’ or a new thing.

When I was a young lad out on the p***, my ‘drinking mates’ included:

3 lads who were jailed (2 for affray one for manslaughter) after a kid who’d attacked one of them with a baseball bat with nails in ended up dead (on a different day a different jury may have decided self defence)

2 lads jailed for manslaughter after a fairly ordinary pub fight turned nasty

A guy who fell in with a local gypsy gang who was jailed for the horrific murder of an old lady in her own home.

I’m 54 and of all those lads (so this was the 80’s), I’d describe only one as being particularly violent and a couple of others as not being particularly well behaved when drunk. A couple of others were just in the wrong place at the wrong time.
 
Phil V said:
Unfortunately that’s not as rare as you’d like to think. Nor is it a ‘british’ or a new thing.

When I was a young lad out on the p***, my ‘drinking mates’ included:

3 lads who were jailed (2 for affray one for manslaughter) after a kid who’d attacked one of them with a baseball bat with nails in ended up dead (on a different day a different jury may have decided self defence)

2 lads jailed for manslaughter after a fairly ordinary pub fight turned nasty

A guy who fell in with a local gypsy gang who was jailed for the horrific murder of an old lady in her own home.

I’m 54 and of all those lads (so this was the 80’s), I’d describe only one as being particularly violent and a couple of others as not being particularly well behaved when drunk. A couple of others were just in the wrong place at the wrong time.
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Wow, that is terrible. And the problem is once in jail it must be incredibly hard to keep out of trouble.
I cant even imagine what it would be like to be in a cell with a nutter hell bent to make your life hell or others in the prison.
 
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Wow, that is terrible. And the problem is once in jail it must be incredibly hard to keep out of trouble.
I cant even imagine what it would be like to be in a cell with a nutter hell bent to make your life hell or others in the prison.
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I know some people who work in prisons, and the most remarkable tales they tell us of people there for the first time just crying through their fist nights. Whilst it’s easy for us to sneer at the TV’s and ‘free bed and board’ there’s nothing to make me think it’s somewhere I’d like to be.

OTOH, if you’d grown up with abusive parents or in care, lived on the streets, sofa surfing or in hostels, then it’s not much of a deterrent at all IMHO. But the fix for that isn’t making prison worse, it’s giving young people a genuine opportunity to live worthwhile lives.
 
Phil V said:
I know some people who work in prisons, and the most remarkable tales they tell us of people there for the first time just crying through their fist nights. Whilst it’s easy for us to sneer at the TV’s and ‘free bed and board’ there’s nothing to make me think it’s somewhere I’d like to be.

OTOH, if you’d grown up with abusive parents or in care, lived on the streets, sofa surfing or in hostels, then it’s not much of a deterrent at all IMHO. But the fix for that isn’t making prison worse, it’s giving young people a genuine opportunity to live worthwhile lives.
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I feel that a fist night would possibly make me cry too, or, at the very least, make my eyes water.
 
A rather unfortunate (but equally appropriate!) typo!
 
Phil V said:
Unfortunately that’s not as rare as you’d like to think. Nor is it a ‘british’ or a new thing.

When I was a young lad out on the p***, my ‘drinking mates’ included:

3 lads who were jailed (2 for affray one for manslaughter) after a kid who’d attacked one of them with a baseball bat with nails in ended up dead (on a different day a different jury may have decided self defence)

2 lads jailed for manslaughter after a fairly ordinary pub fight turned nasty

A guy who fell in with a local gypsy gang who was jailed for the horrific murder of an old lady in her own home.

I’m 54 and of all those lads (so this was the 80’s), I’d describe only one as being particularly violent and a couple of others as not being particularly well behaved when drunk. A couple of others were just in the wrong place at the wrong time.
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What a terrible disrespect of human life and natural law on all sides described. This sounds exactly like violent and ruthless youth produced by atheist communist regimes - pretty much on purpose too. Believe me I recognise this kind very well. I will agree this is not an exclusively british thing. Its a different sort of nature, one of the Unholy One. This is not right and I had already made my opinion very clear why this is going on. You might not want to accept that but I'm afraid its the truth.
 
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