What a scumbag.

[feeb]

cider is superior - happy drunk ftw!

 

[Yv]

The correct punishment for the student was for himself to clean the monument, then perhaps some useful community service so he can see the world from the other side. Perhaps working with the street cleaners picking up the litter after a drunken friday night, some work in a Cheshire home or British Legion...

I think there is a lot be said for some punishments fitting the crime and this is one I certainly agree with.

 

[Tyke Tiler]

I think there is a lot be said for some punishments fitting the crime and this is one I certainly agree with.

Indeed Yv, or possibly a fine or even better a large compulsory donation to registered charity.

I think there's a 'monumental' difference between urinating on something intentionally and unintentionally.

The offender in question was not making any kind of statement by his drunken piddle.

It's a global custom that students drink until they are either hurt themselves or do something daft. There's no excuses for this and he should be seriously punished but all this talk of kicking the fella to pieces is way too extreme.

 

[cowasaki]

Blimey

 

[david1701]

though I dissaprove of the guys actions I have to retract my post about student drinking being not that bad earlier in the thread, any PS members on here will know about it from saturday night

 

[Merovingian]

Expulsion from his uni would be fitting imo.

Not really worth ruining the boys life over it.

Don't think I'd constitute it ruining his life; he could always reapply when grown up.

I fail to see what the one has to do with the other. Might as well take his driver's licence away too while we're at it and break both his legs

Got everything to do with it imo. Serves as a timely reminder he needs to grow up a tad. Perhaps with hindsight a suspension might be more fitting. Either way, plenty of students exist happily using public transport, so driving has nothing to do with it. Incidentally, I'm neither outraged or an advocate of unnecessary physical violence.

 

[feeb]

it would be seriously against a persons human rights to deny them education due to an event that they are both sorry about, and also that involved vast amount of booze

ban him from local clubs or pubs yes - but a dismissal from university is just too much, the two are in no way connected

and if we banned everyone from uni if they needed to grow up - the uni's would be empty...

I go to Uni with a 50 something year old man who has such a problem growing up he cant help but make nasty, snide comments whenever his small little brain works out a place to put one in conversations

He is not grown up, and he is 50 - should he be removed from college? No of course not, its his right to be there as much as it is mine

 

[boyfalldown]

it would be seriously against a persons human rights to deny them education due to an event that they are both sorry about, and also that involved vast amount of booze

I disagree with you on two points here. Just because it involved vast amounts of booze doesn't excuse it, and its used as a pretty lame excuse for many things nodays. Sure, we've all done things we reget while ****ed, woken up in hedges, next to some horses etc etc, but p***** all over a war memorial?, started random fights etc etc, I know enough people capable of getting drunk without doing that.

A higher education is not a right, its something to be earned and if his University feels for whatever reasons, they no longer wish to educate him then I don't see what rights thats breached

 

[feeb]

Please read my other posts and you will see how i feel about people blaming what they have taken for their actions

it doesnt wash with me AT ALL and there is no excuse for acting in certain ways regardless of what you have taken.

A higher education may not be a right but basing that education on what a person may or may not have done is a very different thing all together. Thats getting into totalitarian dictatorship stuff.

University is different to school in that it is education but on less of a personal level, its up to you to hand your assignments in, get the grades needed to move forward and thats the whole point of it. Its up to YOU

I am not saying the university shouldnt take some measures here, make sure that students are aware how unacceptable it is to deface public property and be a menance

But unless they are coming INTO uni off their faces, or its a continuing issue that is affecting the uni, i dont think they can refuse education

 

[foodpoison]

I think the only thing to say is:

:shake:

That applies to not only the behaviour of the idiotic lad, but the idiotic, torch and pitchfork attitudes in this thread (no this doesn't apply to everyone).

 

[foodpoison]

Please read my other posts and you will see how i feel about people blaming what they have taken for their actions

it doesnt wash with me AT ALL and there is no excuse for acting in certain ways regardless of what you have taken.

A higher education may not be a right but basing that education on what a person may or may not have done is a very different thing all together. Thats getting into totalitarian dictatorship stuff.

University is different to school in that it is education but on less of a personal level, its up to you to hand your assignments in, get the grades needed to move forward and thats the whole point of it. Its up to YOU

I am not saying the university shouldnt take some measures here, make sure that students are aware how unacceptable it is to deface public property and be a menance

But unless they are coming INTO uni off their faces, or its a continuing issue that is affecting the uni, i dont think they can refuse education

They're not related at all.
I totally get your point feeb.

But I think if he was in a full time job they would have probably fired him.

 

[boyfalldown]

Please read my other posts and you will see how i feel about people blaming what they have taken for their actions

it doesnt wash with me AT ALL and there is no excuse for acting in certain ways regardless of what you have taken.

A higher education may not be a right but basing that education on what a person may or may not have done is a very different thing all together. Thats getting into totalitarian dictatorship stuff.

University is different to school in that it is education but on less of a personal level, its up to you to hand your assignments in, get the grades needed to move forward and thats the whole point of it. Its up to YOU

I am not saying the university shouldnt take some measures here, make sure that students are aware how unacceptable it is to deface public property and be a menance

But unless they are coming INTO uni off their faces, or its a continuing issue that is affecting the uni, i dont think they can refuse education

I'm not sure it is getting into a totalitarian dictatorship type of thing. Please don't get me wrong, I'm not saying on this occasion removing him from his course is the right thing to do, but his actions outside of University reflect on that university and it relationship with the community, he does need to be aware of this

 

[steve.82]

Main important point here. Do you think it was really foremost in his head that he was weeing on a memorial and disrespecting all those people. I doubt it, just a convenient (and unlucky) aiming target I suspect.

Are we going to shoot all the birds and animals that poo on it too? I'm sure they're just as aware of what they're up to as he was at the time.

I'm not saying drink is an excuse, but all in perspective with what some drunk people do, it's not really that horrendous is it now...

 

[TG.]

Are we going to shoot all the birds and animals that poo on it too? I'm sure they're just as aware of what they're up to as he was at the time.

Am i missing something here

 

[steve.82]

Am i missing something here

It's not like he took a hammer and chisel to it, or spraypainted grafitti over it. He did a wee, which a few drops of rain would take care of.

Yes I agree it wasn't a very wise thing for him to do! But I do think some reactions have been a little OTT (not least the media's)

 

[Splog]

It's not like he took a hammer and chisel to it, or spraypainted grafitti over it. He did a wee, which a few drops of rain would take care of.

Yes I agree it wasn't a very wise thing for him to do! But I do think some reactions have been a little OTT (not least the media's)

he was obviously behaving like the usual drunken idiot but his actions showed a serious disrespect to the majority of people and however drunk he was he should have been and probably was aware of what he was doing and therefore should be seriously punished for his actions ..... IMHO the best way to deal with this kind of thing would be to seriously embarass them i.e. pink overalls whilst they're made to clean the streets let their mates see how cool they are then ....

 

[steve.82]

Perhaps, but it's not like it's just the odd one or 2 bad'uns behaving like this, regularly. You can't punish everyone.

As has been mentioned above, putting immature 18year olds into this situation (away from home, freedom) mixed with an event like this is just asking for it. We had freshers events and student nights, but nothing like this where you could skip from club to club on threr same event.

 

[Marcel]

The bigger picture here is not what he did, but the underlying reason.
And I don't mean alchohol.

Im talking about the lack of respect.

I know full well I can go out tomorrow and get drunk, and I won't end up piddling on a war memorial, or punching random strangers.

Why? Because I have respect for other people. It was instilled to me by my mother and my upbringing, and I was taught respect for other people.
Drink doesn't make us do things we wouldn't normally do, it makes us do things we would do but are stopped by our own inhibitions.

 

[arclight]

The bigger picture here is not what he did, but the underlying reason.
And I don't mean alchohol.

Im talking about the lack of respect.

I know full well I can go out tomorrow and get drunk, and I won't end up piddling on a war memorial, or punching random strangers.

Why? Because I have respect for other people. It was instilled to me by my mother and my upbringing, and I was taught respect for other people.
Drink doesn't make us do things we wouldn't normally do, it makes us do things we would do but are stopped by our own inhibitions.

I don't understand how someone who did something like that could face his parents afterwards.
Perhaps there has been something awry in his upbringing that has allowed him to develop a lack of respect.

 

[CopeImages]

I think the shame of him being plastered across every news site on the web will be enough...

Having said that the fact that said news sites only had to use a tiny small black box to cover his todger in the photos might add further shame to the pimple-head the next time he enters the Uni common room

 

[Marcel]

Having said that the fact that said news sites only had to use a tiny small black box to cover his todger in the photos might add further shame to the pimple-head the next time he enters the Uni common room

LOL I noticed that too