VW no doing so well, Ja?

Are you?! :p

I know people driving new mercs on pretty low salary. They eat pot noodles and live otherwise miserable life. Not for me thanks.
There are other makes of new car available. Not all new cars are the price of a Merc. They obviously have been taken in by badge snobbery and over extended themselves financially.
 
Are you?! :p

I know people driving new mercs on pretty low salary. They eat pot noodles and live otherwise miserable life. Not for me thanks.

yeah I see this as well where I live, each to there own I say, to some people having the right car is a big must have especially in some cultures.
last year me and the missus went on hols to peak district for a week and we hired a small van so we could get our mountain bikes in and all the fun stuff we wanted to take, it cost £90 for the whole week for the hire. great vehicle for the job.
 
VW are gifted with the same type of cult status as Apple does. I find it very weird that people can not see them for what they are. They are just another car company making rather average cars perpetuating the myth they are more reliable than there competitors. 35 years ago maybe.
 
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VW are gifted with the same type of cult status as Apple does. I find it very weird that people can not see them for what they are. They are just another car company making rather average cars perpetuating the myth they are more reliable than there competitors. 35 years ago maybe.

There whole business is the TDI, this will hit them big.
Being German, VW tell everyone they are the best, some fall for it, hook line and sinker, some of us don't. As some may already know, I work at Ford's testing and research facility in the UK, they buy in competitors cars, pull them apart to see how they are made and examine the parts. I've seen several cars, a VW Golf GTD included stripped down and there really isn't anythin gon there to warrant the difference in price tag over a Focus ST TDCi. Interestingly they had to buy two Golf's the first blew the engine within a day of getting it on a dyno so they could verify all the claimed performance for themselves.
 
VW are gifted with the same type of cult status as Apple does. I find it very weird that people can not see them for what they are. They are just another car company making rather average cars perpetuating the myth they are more reliable than there competitors. 35 years ago maybe.

oh I think they are genuinely good cars I don't think its a myth thing I thing there are a great deal of options on the market and that confuses people so many go for the safe bet and hence german brands have been up to now a safe haven. They are however very expensive so you do pay a premium. I think also people have got used to paying a certain amount per month and that's ok. I used to years ago be the same. £300 a month in car loan was the magic number, every month for about 10 years. Then one day I just didn't take my 3 year old back for a new one as it seemed barely run in. I took out an extended warranty for the next 3 years. Then it passed 60,000 miles and I winged it till it was written off at 10 years old and 110,000 miles.
 
oh I think they are genuinely good cars I don't think its a myth thing I thing there are a great deal of options on the market and that confuses people so many go for the safe bet and hence german brands have been up to now a safe haven. They are however very expensive so you do pay a premium. I think also people have got used to paying a certain amount per month and that's ok. I used to years ago be the same. £300 a month in car loan was the magic number, every month for about 10 years. Then one day I just didn't take my 3 year old back for a new one as it seemed barely run in. I took out an extended warranty for the next 3 years. Then it passed 60,000 miles and I winged it till it was written off at 10 years old and 110,000 miles.
Warranty direct the uk's largest warranty provider will disagree with you. In fact no German car even makes the top 20 (out of 37) Audi came last but fourth. Last but one another VAG car Porsche.

Also my father ran a fleet of VW (Fleet might be pushing it 5 vans) at one point i've had a few myself and i've had a different experience to you. I've now settled for Ford.
 
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My point is also though buy the car you want but make sure you have the means and the resources to fix it if it goes wrong :-)
folk can't be up in arms if they choose the risk when very reasonable warranties are available.
 
touch wood I have not had any real modern day major issues, popped turbo on my old citroen diesel.
I had another citroen diesel for a while when the old one got written off and that started showing some engine management faults so I moved that on to we buy any car . con :) it did 15k miles and I lost about £800 on price I paid but I fancied it could be an issue later on so bailed.
 
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see now people slate french but ive had:

saxo 1.6 8v - alright until the head gasket went (post radiator change so blame the garage), but it was tweaked and upgraded a lot otherwise.
306 tdi - bought it mega cheap and i think it was knackered from day 1, eventually dropped a glow plug through the engine :D
406 tdi estage - underpowered barge but mega spec, clutch went which was the biggest issue it had.
 
@neil_g 3 years old French cars a good bargain, lost shedloads on depreciation, full service history, slap on a citroen warranty @ about £250/year and off you go.
 
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I do want a convertible for my next with seating for 2 adults and 2 children. If you do not want to by a overpriced German you are very limited. The Saab would have been my choice but they've stopped making them. Peugeot new 308 is much better looking than its predecessor maybe that is the way to go. I do worry about French cars though.
 
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I do want a convertible for my next with seating for 2 adults and 2 children. If you do not want to by a overpriced German you are very limited. The Saab would have been my choice but they've stopped making them. Peugeot new 308 is much better looking than its predecessor maybe that is the way to go. I do worry about French cars though.
So long as you aren't overly tall needing the seat right back, there is always the new Mustang convertible.
 
So long as you aren't overly tall needing the seat right back, there is always the new Mustang convertible.
After everything ive said i will probably go with a German model. I do like the BMW 2 series convertible. :)

The mustang does look nice is it any good? American cars always look massive and really wide. Is this a bit smaller than past models?
 
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The previous model was quite big and chunky, the latest one looks sleeker. Although this isn't the convertible in the picture you can get an idea of the size against the Focus. I'd say it is close in size to the latest Mondeo.
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VW are gifted with the same type of cult status as Apple does. I find it very weird that people can not see them for what they are. They are just another car company making rather average cars perpetuating the myth they are more reliable than there competitors. 35 years ago maybe.

Have to disagree. I have driven many cars over the years... and for me German cars have something 'solid' about them - well made. I did have a Toyota Celica and Lexus 200 and both while reliable, they both felt cheap, poor switchgear and just not very nice to look at (inside), obviously thats personal taste. I like the style of German cars and the switches etc... But then i do like apple!
 
Have to disagree. I have driven many cars over the years... and for me German cars have something 'solid' about them - well made. I did have a Toyota Celica and Lexus 200 and both while reliable, they both felt cheap, poor switchgear and just not very nice to look at (inside), obviously thats personal taste. I like the style of German cars and the switches etc... But then i do like apple!
I agree the Jap's struggle with styling both inside and out, but they are more reliable.

The Germans using the bauhaus principles have a nack of making timeless looking cars. Most of my favourite cars in history are German. Gorgeous? Some most definitely. Most
Reliable? Nah.

The same goes with apple. You are buying into something (not sure what) and happy to pay a huge premium for it, but its not necessarily because its better.

Leica another great example.
 
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The previous model was quite big and chunky, the latest one looks sleeker. Although this isn't the convertible in the picture you can get an idea of the size against the Focus. I'd say it is close in size to the latest Mondeo.
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Only F150 would interest me right now from the pic above. It looks like a real man's car with chunky engine grill none of those subtle curves. Good job there is no Kuga there. Awful drivetrain and too soft looks.

I agree the Jap's struggle with styling both inside and out, but they are more reliable.

The Germans using the bauhaus principles have a nack of making timeless looking cars. Most of my favourite cars in history are German. Gorgeous? Some most definitely. Most
Reliable? Nah.

The same goes with apple. You are buying into something (not sure what) and happy to pay a huge premium for it, but its not necessarily because its better.

Leica another great example.

VW used to be mega reliable in the 90s. 1.9TDI engine really cemented their name. Right now - they are anything but.

I'm starting to think about one of Lexus RX series. The styling is indeed awful. It looks too soft for an SUV. It needs the front end from that F150 above :)
I like Audi Q series, but ironically they look awful to me from the front. If you are asking for the perfect look then it is BMW X5 mk2 or VW Amarok in a distant second. Nissan Pathfinder isn't too bad either for design.
 
I've generally run old Italian cars. Trying old German ones now. Will be interesting to see whether they're better or worse.
 
Well I like my Golf R, consistently it have been very well received by both owners and press all round compared to its competitors even within the same stable. I agree it is a ridiculous amount of money for a car the size of a golf but it is rather clever and powerful.

I don't buy into all this apple being overpriced, like for like comparisons show they are not. A cheaper option always shows something people are willing to compromise on, which is fine when it is not deemed important but let's be honest about it.

A Cee'd does the same thing, got four wheels, engine, seat, doors and also goes vroom vroom. Still wouldn't want one, just like with the Ford Focus. It just doesn't to anything for ME.

And that is the important thing, we all have our own criteria, our own desires, let's not invalidate those of others measured against our own shall we.
 
There are lots of reasons for buying a certain brand car like you said. However many or even most buy German because they have the reputation of being the most reliable. This doesn't seem to be the case anymore.
 
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There are lots of reasons for buying a certain brand car like you said. However many or even most buy German because they have the reputation of being the most reliable. This doesn't seem to be the case anymore.
Where do you get that statistic from? Other than with the Toyota Prius we've had, reliability never entered my mind when buying new. And the Toyota turned out to be totally unreliable so go figure, first three months they couldn't get the sound system to work, then in Boxing Day it just died as it turned out the main earth had snapped. Then there was the steering problem recall, then there was the no brakes recall, then there was ....

Nope reliability never entered my mind with our current selection; does it look good, can we sit and transport in comfort, is it powerful enough and quiet when applying the power were our criteria. Oh, and a discount. I always want a discount, never ever pay list price. Except for once :) with the Murano as we ordered it untested prior to its launch. Reliability is not a concern, that is what warranty is for and the included recovery service.
 
Where do you get that statistic from? Other than with the Toyota Prius we've had, reliability never entered my mind when buying new. And the Toyota turned out to be totally unreliable so go figure, first three months they couldn't get the sound system to work, then in Boxing Day it just died as it turned out the main earth had snapped. Then there was the steering problem recall, then there was the no brakes recall, then there was ....

Nope reliability never entered my mind with our current selection; does it look good, can we sit and transport in comfort, is it powerful enough and quiet when applying the power were our criteria. Oh, and a discount. I always want a discount, never ever pay list price. Except for once :) with the Murano as we ordered it untested prior to its launch. Reliability is not a concern, that is what warranty is for and the included recovery service.

Murano? Or did you mean Monaro?
 
Murano? Or did you mean Monaro?
No Murano like the Venetian glass. It was one of our favourite cars ever. We kept it for five years, then downsized to a Prius for green credentials ahem, but hated it. So we traded the Prius in for our GL AMG aka the anti Prius :)
 
No Murano like the Venetian glass. It was one of our favourite cars ever. We kept it for five years, then downsized to a Prius for green credentials ahem, but hated it. So we traded the Prius in for our GL AMG aka the anti Prius :)
Had never heard of it. Did you do realise Prius is actually pronounced Pious. ;)
I read this morning, the German government may well have already known about VW and turned a blind eye to what they had done..
 
Had never heard of it. Did you do realise Prius is actually pronounced Pious. ;)
I read this morning, the German government may well have already known about VW and turned a blind eye to what they had done..
Don't be daft. If Merkel had known, the NSA would have known... ;)
 
So long as you aren't overly tall needing the seat right back, there is always the new Mustang convertible.
Great car in the US, comfy, fun, not a huge amount of room in the rear and a reasonable boot.
Quite a big car, not sure how it would work in some roads in the UK

15 ft 8 inches long, 6ft 10 wide. Length is ok but it's quite wide?
 
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There are lots of reasons for buying a certain brand car like you said. However many or even most buy German because they have the reputation of being the most reliable. This doesn't seem to be the case anymore.

Things like NCAP safety testing also play a part to a lot of safe buyers.

The VW Passat for instance top in its class 2014

AUDI Q7 highest rated ever car at 94% unless you count pedestrians who get f*cked but nobody gives a hoot how they do in an accident.

VW Touran almost top of its class also

All at the click of a button now.

http://www.euroncap.com/en
 
I forgot about ncap it used to play high in my decision making process but actually hasn't featured at all in the recent years. Hmm.
 
I forgot about ncap it used to play high in my decision making process but actually hasn't featured at all in the recent years. Hmm.
I wouldn't worry about that any more, most modern cars are plenty good enough at keeping you safe, the last few points are for pedestrians you hit (so my car has an aluminium bonnet and plastic wings) as if it makes that much difference. Most pedestrians that die will have hit their head on the front of the roof (there's no way that'll deform) or the kerb or other similar solid object.

An aside - the aluminium bonnet freaked me out the first time I popped it - I nearly launched it at the windscreen.
 
I wouldn't worry about that any more, most modern cars are plenty good enough at keeping you safe, the last few points are for pedestrians you hit (so my car has an aluminium bonnet and plastic wings) as if it makes that much difference. Most pedestrians that die will have hit their head on the front of the roof (there's no way that'll deform) or the kerb or other similar solid object.

An aside - the aluminium bonnet freaked me out the first time I popped it - I nearly launched it at the windscreen.

A lot of folk do though Phil especially the "baby on board" squad, how many times have you seen kids being dropped off in 4x4s at school.
 
A lot of folk do though Phil especially the "baby on board" squad, how many times have you seen kids being dropped off in 4x4s at school.
Please don't mention the 'Baby on Board' brigade I'm trying to watch my blood pressure.

And FFS lets stay away from the 'powered by fairy dust' cretins.
 
Please don't mention the 'Baby on Board' brigade I'm trying to watch my blood pressure.

And FFS lets stay away from the 'powered by fairy dust' cretins.
Ah but those eye lashes around the head lights are so cute.
 
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