Two woman PC's shot in Manchester

I believe he is still pleading not guilty to the first murders of the father and son, hence my post.
 
crofter said:
He is rather fond of grenades.
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yeah i know - spending the last 3 seconds of his life jugling with one could be a special treat :lol:

(of course shooting him 28 times with a glock 9mm first is also an option)
 
big soft moose said:
yeah i know - spending the last 3 seconds of his life jugling with one could be a special treat :lol:

(of course shooting him 28 times with a glock 9mm first is also an option)
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Nah... Just drop him from a plane 15000 feet up, a few minutes quiet thinking time.
 
Bernie174 said:
Tiler

He will probably only make one more visit assuming he's pleaded to all 4 murders. There's only one sentence available to the Judge, so the only question is how long before he is eligible for parole. Unfortunately the EU decided it's not lawful to imprison someone indefinably without a date they may be able to apply for release on license. However, I'd be surprised if he ever walked out of prison lawfully.
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Not sure it would hold up for a definitive "whole of life" sentence though. Remains to be seen.
 
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I thought the home secretary could detain people as long as he wished.....
 
cambsno said:
Nah... Just drop him from a plane 15000 feet up, a few minutes quiet thinking time.
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dress him up as an army intelligence officer - handcuff a briefcase full of important looking documents to his wrist, and abandon him in the middle of helmand province...
 
big soft moose said:
dress him up as an army intelligence officer - handcuff a briefcase full of important looking documents to his wrist, and abandon him in the middle of helmand province...
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Handcuff him to the front of a Justin bieber concert...
 
tiler65

Yes, saw that this morning. A bit pointless not pleading as it will make no difference to where he ends up, and probably very litle in terms of the time he'll serve.

viv1969
It does hold up. A life sentence is accompanied by a recommendation for the amount of time to be served before parole can be considered. Thats considered, not necessarily granted. But he'd have to admit the offence before that could happen....Can you see what he's doing yet?

Was a time when you murdered a Police Officer and porridge was you diet for the rest of your time on the planet. No more though. The Government started releasing those with convictions for murdering police officers around 15 years ago. We can but hope therefore he meets with an unfortunate accident in the shows with some soap. Some very nasty injuries, even death can occur from that sort of mishap.
 
Bernie174 said:
tiler65

Yes, saw that this morning. A bit pointless not pleading as it will make no difference to where he ends up, and probably very litle in terms of the time he'll serve.
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Although I agree it will make no difference to his time spent behind bars....I do think that there still needs to be some form of justice, we can't just close the case on the other murders. He may well be guilty of all of them but we also need to weed out the other folk involved.
 
Bernie174 said:
tiler65

Yes, saw that this morning. A bit pointless not pleading as it will make no difference to where he ends up, and probably very litle in terms of the time he'll serve.

viv1969
It does hold up. A life sentence is accompanied by a recommendation for the amount of time to be served before parole can be considered. Thats considered, not necessarily granted. But he'd have to admit the offence before that could happen....Can you see what he's doing yet?
Was a time when you murdered a Police Officer and porridge was you diet for the rest of your time on the planet. No more though. The Government started releasing those with convictions for murdering police officers around 15 years ago. We can but hope therefore he meets with an unfortunate accident in the shows with some soap. Some very nasty injuries, even death can occur from that sort of mishap.
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I think we can agree though, that there are infamous offenders whom we all know will never "see the light of day" again.
And I disagree...he is doing nothing. I doubt he has the brain cells he was blessed with at the time of his birth, however he appears to have stumbled across intelligent representation.
 
cambsno said:
Handcuff him to the front of a Justin bieber concert...
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Cruel and unusual punishment!


Bernie174 said:
We can but hope therefore he meets with an unfortunate accident in the shows with some soap. Some very nasty injuries, even death can occur from that sort of mishap.
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Surely soap is slippery and would ease the process? :eek:
 
Bernie174 said:
Unfortunately the EU decided it's not lawful to imprison someone indefinably without a date they may be able to apply for release on license.
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I think that the EU had nothing to say on the matter. Could it be that you are confusing the ECtHR, created by the CoE to rule on breaches of the ECHR (which all CoE members are signatories to at least some of the articles), with the European Union? Even then, you are wrong in principle.

The ECtHR upheld the principle whole life tariffs when test cases (Vitner et al) were bought before them in 2007 that argued they breached article 3 of the ECHR. They have not ruled against a "life with no possibility of parole" sentence, they specifically supported them when the tariff is set by a judge.

What it ruled was a breach of human rights were IPPs (Indefinite sentences for public protection). In these cases whole life tariffs were not handed down, but the prisoners could not apply for parole when their minimum sentence had been served as they had not completed the course required by the IPP to demonstrate to the parole board they were safe for release. The reason they had not completed the course was because the course wasn't available to them due to lack of resources, so they had no opportunity to complete it. The ECtHR ruled that this was a breach of human rights, and really it didn't need judges, common sense would suggest it. If you're going to lay down a procedure that has to be followed before someone can be considered for release on licence, you need to make sure that they have the opportunity to do so.

IPPs were introduced by Labour in 2003 and abolished by the coalition, but there are still a lot of prisoners serving them.
 
Bernie174 said:
tiler65

Yes, saw that this morning. A bit pointless not pleading as it will make no difference to where he ends up, and probably very litle in terms of the time he'll serve.

viv1969
It does hold up. A life sentence is accompanied by a recommendation for the amount of time to be served before parole can be considered. Thats considered, not necessarily granted. But he'd have to admit the offence before that could happen....Can you see what he's doing yet?

Was a time when you murdered a Police Officer and porridge was you diet for the rest of your time on the planet. No more though. The Government started releasing those with convictions for murdering police officers around 15 years ago. We can but hope therefore he meets with an unfortunate accident in the shows with some soap. Some very nasty injuries, even death can occur from that sort of mishap.
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Isn't Harry Roberts still HM's guest though?
 
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