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petemc said:
A hyphen isn't a comma. Sorry but thats really annoying me :p
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sorry mate but a lot easier to find when typing fast. this is internet talk. doesnt have to be keats.:clap:

Also in the post your apparntly reffering to it is used as it should be imho as a sudden change of subject from it is often frowned upon now-the worlds gone mad.

Wheras if it were written the worlds gone mad, as it is often frowned upon these days.

This would be correct for a comma.

Otherwise it would need a full stop.
It is often frowned upon now. The world's gone mad.

A comma after the first part of the sentence simply wouldn't work. As a comma is a breather and should be a continuation on from the previous text. A full stop is the end of the current situation, but can often allow for a continuation on from the original subject but with a longer breather. all subject matter within a pargaraph should relate to the original subject ( if it changes it should then go into the next paragraph).

Sorry not taking the micky, but i understand the language enough and don't feel the need to pick others up on their syntax.
 
I work in a Crown Court and have access to a law library. The law on this comes from the Protection of Children Act 1978 and the first few lines read:

An Act to prevent the exploitation of children by making indecent photographs of them; and to penalise the distribution, showing and advertisement of such indecent photographs.
[20th July 1978]

1.
Indecent photographs of children.
— (1) It is an offence for a person—
(a)
to take, or permit to be taken, any indecent photograph or pseudo-photograph of a child
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The rest of the act can be found here: http://www.statutelaw.gov.uk/conten...502057&ActiveTextDocId=1502057&filesize=47672

Therefore, the photographer and the parents would be liable for prosecution, the punishment for this offence is Imprisonment for a term of not more than 10 years or a fine or both.

So the question you have to ask yourself is this, could you handle a 10 year prison sentence?
 
digitalmaniac said:
sorry mate but a lot easier to find when typing fast. this is internet talk. doesnt have to be keats.:clap:

Also in the post your apparntly reffering to it is used as it should be imho as a sudden change of subject from it is often frowned upon now-the worlds gone mad.

Wheras if it were written the worlds gone mad, as it is often frowned upon these days.

This would be correct for a comma.

Otherwise it would need a full stop.
It is often frowned upon now. The world's gone mad.

A comma after the first part of the sentence simply wouldn't work. As a comma is a breather and should be a continuation on from the previous text. A full stop is the end of the current situation, but can often allow for a continuation on from the original subject but with a longer breather. all subject matter within a pargaraph should relate to the original subject ( if it changes it should then go into the next paragraph).

Sorry not taking the micky, but i understand the language enough and don't feel the need to pick others up on their syntax.
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digitalmaniac said:
sorry mate but a lot easier to find when typing fast. this is internet talk. doesnt have to be keats.:clap:

Also in the post your apparntly reffering to it is used as it should be imho as a sudden change of subject from it is often frowned upon now-the worlds gone mad.

Wheras if it were written the worlds gone mad, as it is often frowned upon these days.

This would be correct for a comma.

Otherwise it would need a full stop.
It is often frowned upon now. The world's gone mad.

A comma after the first part of the sentence simply wouldn't work. As a comma is a breather and should be a continuation on from the previous text. A full stop is the end of the current situation, but can often allow for a continuation on from the original subject but with a longer breather. all subject matter within a pargaraph should relate to the original subject ( if it changes it should then go into the next paragraph).

Sorry not taking the micky, but i understand the language enough and don't feel the need to pick others up on their syntax.
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Intersting!!!

cdnuolt blveiee taht I cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht I was rdanieg. The phaonmneal pweor of the hmuan mnid, aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn’t mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoatnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be in the rghit pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit a porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. Amzanig huh? yaeh and I awlyas tghuhot slpeling was ipmorantt!

Gray.
 
Yes that is quite right ^
 
digitalmaniac said:
sorry mate but a lot easier to find when typing fast. this is internet talk. doesnt have to be keats.:clap:
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This is the internet and its all about text. Its no key presses more. Its just a different hand movement. I'm not going to continue arguing as your argument has no real weight as I type fast too and almost everyone else here is able to push the comma or full stop key instead of the hyphen. Sorry for going off topic.
 
Very clever. Also i would hazard a guess that we often don't even pay attention to puncuation anymore as we can tell what it should read like anyway-subconciously
 
petemc said:
This is the internet and its all about text. Its no key presses more. Its just a different hand movement. I'm not going to continue arguing as your argument has no real weight as I type fast too and almost everyone else here is able to push the comma or full stop key instead of the hyphen. Sorry for going off topic.
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In your opinion:razz:
 
Some people are sticklers for grammar, others aren't. Now can we please move on and/or [mods] clean up the thread? :thinking:

BTW a very interesting one in regards to the OP's question, especially considering there is such fierce debate about something we all agree on :lol:
 
stop fighting, you wet farts.
 
Now now boys, play nice.

petemc said:
This is the internet and its all about text. Its no key presses more. Its just a different hand movement. I'm not going to continue arguing as your argument has no real weight as I type fast too and almost everyone else here is able to push the comma or full stop key instead of the hyphen. Sorry for going off topic.
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I agree.
http://www.askoxford.com/asktheexperts/faq/aboutspelling/hyphen
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digitalmaniac said:
Very clever. Also i would hazard a guess that we often don't even pay attention to puncuation anymore as we can tell what it should read like anyway-subconciously
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Not true, it is very easy for people to mis-read things, or take things in the wrong context with bad punctuation.

digitalmaniac said:
In your opinion:razz:
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It was off topic!!

Not that I can comment too much as my spelling and grammer is awful! but is ok, its allowed, I'm a ginger-beer!!
 
petemc said:
People take photos of their kids playing in the bath naked. Thats socially ok. Why wouldn't it be ok to take a photo of your daughter ala Demi Moore, or perhaps hire someone who knows what they're doing to take a really lovely portrait of an expectant mother? Age of consent list. According to that its ok in some parts of the world. I realise age of consent doesn't mean age of being photographed in this fashion but its just our silly society that likes to burn people for photographing kids. I think that was Cobra's point. We're so scared of taking a lovely photo because the Daily Mail will burn you.
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Blimey Pete that has to be a first we agreed on something :D :thumbs:
Yep that was my point and nothing more.
Trouble is its not only the daily mail that will burn "us" every other "do gooder" is looking to do the same now
As an aside,when we were in Crete some years ago and the kids were small 2 & 5 years I think
a beach 'tog was taking shots of the (all) kids on the beach, some were starkers some were partially clothed
They were selling key rings with the photo "embedded" back to the parents.
I bet they don't do that now!
Another "trade" bites the dust
Oh and I doubt that I would "take" "that" photo as mentioned by the OP
A few years ago I might have without giving it a second thought
But then forums per se' didn't really exist in the days I am talking about
So I wouldn't have discussed it with anyone apart from the parents and the child concerned.
Child now there is another point under the eyes of the law yes I agree she certainly is a child,
but had she committed a serious offence she would be regarded as a "young women" by the media had she been assulted then she would have been a "child"
the whole senario is into dangerous grounds & into todays climate, one to stay well away from.

 
Now, back to the OP,

As you can see, most people are advising you against this, and I am of the same opinion. Your likely to end up in very hot water with this.

But, we can only advise you. If you choose to do this shoot, be VERY careful and be prepared to justify/defend your discision and suffer any potential consequences.
 
Do people not read the thread before posting?

He's already said he isn't doing the implied topless shot! sheesh!

on a somewhat related note, I was approached by a girl on a model forum and asked to do a lingerie shoot for her. She was 16. I told her in no uncertain terms that it was NEVER going to happen.

Kids these days are crazy with their ideas of what they think is beautiful.

The OP is correct in changing to a clothed shoot, I think the image will be lovely, and I see no REAL harm in photographing a pregnant 15yr old. These things happen, we've all messed something up and made a mistake at some point, so lets leave the morals of the young lass out of the discussion, eh?
 
Rob.7wood said:
Now, back to the OP,

As you can see, most people are advising you against this, and I am of the same opinion. Your likely to end up in very hot water with this.

But, we can only advise you. If you choose to do this shoot, be VERY careful and be prepared to justify/defend your discision and suffer any potential consequences.
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To be honest if any details came out, even this thread, it could look bad and there are people out there who simply won't listen to reason. I was photographing a food court of a shopping centre for a client. I was wearing a security badge and all the security knew I was there. Some old woman had a go at me saying that I could not take photos. I waved my badge and said I could. She insisted I couldn't. She clearly wasn't of sound mind and judgement but there are people out there. If they hear about this or this thread was found then it could look bad simply because he was originally looking into topless. Its bad anyway if you think about keywords. There's schoolgirl, topless, underage, breasts, and such. It looks bad.
 
Cover up her nipples with black tape, not nude then :lol:

On a serious note though, it's illegal and you'd get into a lot of trouble for it.

If you do the shoot, the only thing you should do with the pictures is give them to the girl, then delete them off your memory card / computer, and burn the memory card.

Just my 2p's worth.
 
The one thing on this topic that I find confusing, and sad from a photography point of view is that she is being described as a child (in law) because she's under sixteen yet she's heavily pregnant and therefore could well've had full unprotected sex aged fourteen. Thats not the action of a child.

Heck, she probably drinks and smokes too!

She's an adult in all but numbers.
 
tigerimages said:
The one thing on this topic that I find confusing, and sad from a photography point of view is that she is being described as a child (in law) because she's under sixteen yet she's heavily pregnant and therefore could well've had full unprotected sex aged fourteen. Thats not the action of a child.

Heck, she probably drinks and smokes too!

She's an adult in all but numbers.
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But in the eyes of the law, she's a child and that is the issue here.
 
Depending on when her birthday is, and how long into the pregnancy she is, she could wait until after her birthday if she really wants such a photo done, then in theory its ok within the law (i think). Until then, i would say take photos with clothes on, I don't want to say it, but "Better be safe than sorry" (i know its a cliche!)
 
I am really struggling now to understand people's hang up on the minor being referred to as such. Regardless of how you view things, your opinion means nothing in a court. The law is the law, she is under 16. Topless, erotic, suggestive photo's however you look at it will be termed as illeagal.
Look at it from a social worker/child protection officers point of view. Topless pregnant minor in a photo, do you think they would turn a blind eye because pregnancy is a beautiful thing? I think not. Don't do it, end of.


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Depending on when her birthday is, and how long into the pregnancy she is, she could wait until after her birthday if she really wants such a photo done, then in theory its ok within the law (i think). Until then, i would say take photos with clothes on, I don't want to say it, but "Better be safe than sorry" (i know its a cliche!)
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Have I missed the point of would topless not be allowed untill 18?


Heck, thats by the by, this threads getting repetitve now.......
 
AleksanderLoesch said:
Depending on when her birthday is, and how long into the pregnancy she is, she could wait until after her birthday if she really wants such a photo done, then in theory its ok within the law (i think). Until then, i would say take photos with clothes on, I don't want to say it, but "Better be safe than sorry" (i know its a cliche!)
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I think you'll find she has to be 18 to do this kind of shoot.
 
Flash In The Pan said:
Sounds like you're wandering into moral, rather than legal, territory there, Matty. Whilst I agree with you, the OP's question was whether he should take the requested picture, rather than whether the girl should have got up the duff at such a young age.

Can we just watch the video and move on?

[YOUTUBE]<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/T6fkHZzlFUA&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/T6fkHZzlFUA&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>[/YOUTUBE]
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Cracking song............:thumbs:
 
Also, keira nightley appears topless (briefley) in the film "The Hole" when she was 15. Nobody got worked up about that (not that it gives you any justification...)
 
digitalmaniac said:
I think you'll find she has to be 18 to do this kind of shoot.
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I'm sure you're right, but I doesn't make any sense to me given the age of consent is 16.

If a female is 16 and willing a 30 year old (or 76 year old) could attempt to make her pregnant every morning before school and every evening after school with no legal repercussions (provided he's not in a position of authority). But if he got his camera out and takes a photo of her that implies she's topless that's it criminal offense :cuckoo:

However, it's a well know statement that the Law's an Ass.

But I've continued to take this thread OT, so for that I'm sorry.
 
How about this look then......

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:gag: :lol:
 
I think that's what he said he is going to do....... a cropped top to cover the chest area!
 
To add my tuppeneth again ...

I was having a thought whilst doing my usual lengths in the pool this evening (and yes this is how much this thread has got people going).

If cableliquid wants to take this shot, why not just say to the girl that he won't shoot her, but ask if she's willing to ask at pre-natal class for a volunteer. They can't ALL be under age!

Nuff said.
 
:shake::shake::shake::shake::shake:

regards mark............. don't photograph her please

My sister in law wanted some years ago topless with here new baby , i said no......no room for error then......or misrepresentation.
 
CarolF said:
To add my tuppeneth again ...

I was having a thought whilst doing my usual lengths in the pool this evening (and yes this is how much this thread has got people going).

If cableliquid wants to take this shot, why not just say to the girl that he won't shoot her, but ask if she's willing to ask at pre-natal class for a volunteer. They can't ALL be under age!

Nuff said.
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That depends where they are :lol:
 
gingerjon said:
You want to try getting a shot of your son in the bath with pecker visible
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You have got to be kidding!!!!!

His is bigger than mine and he's only 9

:'(:'(:'(:'(:'(:'(:'(
 
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