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Cobra said:
The whole thing is crazy
Everyone now has to walk on egg shells to aviod a "lable" and I bet there are some fantastic images "missed" because of our Oh ever so PC society
( I am NOT condoning "certain types of shots" by any means)

I guess the mum concerned will now go and buy a "point and shoot" and take the images herself
After thought I guess this makes her a paedophile "as well" :shrug:
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Technically it would Chris and as social services will be involved with the family anyway (under-age pregnancy automatic referral for hospital staff), i personally think any tog and or family member getting involved in this would be crazy.
 
pxl8 said:
I think the problem the the fairy tog was that the shots that tripped him up were the prep shots rather than the finished article. So it was just shots of the girls semi-nude without the photoshop work. I suspect the finished shots would have been ok but the law is about taking the shot not the intented use so he was guilty and pleaded so.
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A very good point
 
Toothie said:
Technically it would Chris .
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What a crazy world we live in when a grandmother for thats what she will be,
can't take a picture of her un born and daughter without being "labled":(

Toothie said:
...... as social services will be involved with the family anyway (under-age pregnancy automatic referral for hospital staff),
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Good point Ruthie I hadn't thought of that
If the other reasons given hadn't put "someone off"
Then that most certainly should :thumbs:
 
thinking about it - a suggestion to the op - why not put her in a very tight top? Would show all the bumb but not naked so its a picture of a young pregnant girl not a topless teenager.
 
Toothie said:
thinking about it - a suggestion to the op - why not put her in a very tight top? Would show all the bumb but not naked so its a picture of a young pregnant girl not a topless teenager.
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That could be a solution. The problem with topless (but covered) and pregnant is it's just too suggestive of sexual activity with a minor, her belly being the proof of the pudding so to speak. :coat:
 
Cobra said:
What a crazy world we live in when a grandmother for thats what she will be,
can't take a picture of her un born and daughter without being "labled":(
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I think the problem is that social services and society in general don't know where to draw the line. Whats abuse and what isn't is not really defined. Do i think taking a photo of your pregnant daughter is child abuse no. But abused children are mostly abused by family members so i don't think the law should make it acceptable for parents but not for togs if you know what i mean.
 
Toothie said:
I think the problem is that social services and society in general don't know where to draw the line. Whats abuse and what isn't is not really defined. Do i think taking a photo of your pregnant daughter is child abuse no. But abused children are mostly abused by family members so i don't think the law should make it acceptable for parents but not for togs if you know what i mean.
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I do see what you mean Ruthie
But of course everyone over a "certain age" has the obligatory nekid kids in the bath / beach shots
( our own of course before anyone says anything)
and why did I feel the need to add the () adendum? I shouldn't have
Do the government know what percentage of the population are supposedilly paedophiles?
1% 10% 50%?
I guess not, but a very very small minority have cast suspicion on the vast majority of the population.............I am not trying to make light of this by any means BTW
Just commenting again on the sad state of affairs that have led us to this subject yet again
5-10 years ago I bet the OP would never have thought to ask the question and would have just "got on with it" like any other photo- assignment
 
Cobra said:
I do see what you mean Ruthie
But of course everyone over a "certain age" has the obligatory nekid kids in the bath / beach shots
( our own of course before anyone says anything)
and why did I feel the need to add the () adendum? I shouldn't have
Do the government know what percentage of the population are supposedilly paedophiles?
1% 10% 50%?
I guess not, but a very very small minority have cast suspicion on the vast majority of the population.............I am not trying to make light of this by any means BTW
Just commenting again on the sad state of affairs that have led us to this subject yet again
5-10 years ago I bet the OP would never have thought to ask the question and would have just "got on with it" like any other photo- assignment
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i agree totally - in fact im not sure im clothed in any of my kiddy pics basically because i never had any clothes on and most of the pics were taken when i was on the beach / playing with water.
 
pxl8 said:
That could be a solution. The problem with topless (but covered) and pregnant is it's just too suggestive of sexual activity with a minor, her belly being the proof of the pudding so to speak. :coat:
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suggestive in what way
 
at the end of the day, for commercial gain or not, then all ethical and moral decisions should be thrown out.

It is unlawful in this country to show a person under the age of 16 topless.
it is also unlawful to sexualise a child.

Now, in my personal (very male) opinion. A photograph of a girl with no top on, is a sexual image, take lucy pinder for example(wudnt show nipples). regardless of the baby bump.

and technically she will be a topless child.

Stay clear mate. for your own sake. do your best, recommend other pro togs in your area, but for your own sake, dont do it!
 
After ALL the replies in this thread, theres still a few trying to argue against the fact that it's wrong, illegal, wrong and wrong?

Baby jesus is crying at this thread.
 
To be honest I can't believe the question had to be asked. In today's society, rightly or wrongly, going anywhere near this is like walking in to the nearest establishment of Her Majesty and asking to share private accomodation with Bubba.
 
i think i'll draw up some other ideas that wont be sexual or revelaing in any whilst still showing beauty, (NOT TOPLESS) i've read all the replies so far and have taken them on board, i wont be pushing the job onto another tog as i dont see why i should have to however i will be changing things slightly so i can stay the right side of the law. btw just to confirm i dont have any morals against photographing her topless she is a beautiful God given being after all but becuase of the nanny state we live in photography and art cannot be done how we'd like!
 
You're having a laugh mate, i'm seriously left speachless at some of your replies.

I really, REALLY cant understand how it's a good thing to show off a state of pregnancy at 15 years old. And that your OWN instincts didn't tell you that it's a massively frowned on topic, without even debating the photography side of it.

It's just...I'm....*sighs*. Stuck for words.
 
cableliquid said:
reason i ask is because child birth and pregnancy is a very beautiful thing seen by alot of people as wrong who cares her age, she wants to bring a human being into this world. so yer she's 15 but its a beautiful thing. Now that i know what the law is i wont be doing the topless shoot however i dont think that showing off a pregnant lady of ANY age is wrong. yes under 18 is against the law so it wont be done but it shouldnt be shunned
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That only goes for Africa.


POAH said:
the law states that anyone under the age of 18 cannot be photographed in an indecent way it does not say you can't shoot nude, topless etc. if she is lying down and covering her breasts and the lighting is such then you have no fear.
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Thin thin line there.

Just don't do it. Wait for the next pregnancy.
 
cableliquid said:
i think i'll draw up some other ideas that wont be sexual or revelaing in any whilst still showing beauty, (NOT TOPLESS) i've read all the replies so far and have taken them on board, i wont be pushing the job onto another tog as i dont see why i should have to however i will be changing things slightly so i can stay the right side of the law. btw just to confirm i dont have any morals against photographing her topless she is a beautiful God given being after all but becuase of the nanny state we live in photography and art cannot be done how we'd like!
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Glamorising under age sex :cuckoo:
 
cableliquid said:
i think i'll draw up some other ideas that wont be sexual or revelaing in any whilst still showing beauty, (NOT TOPLESS) i've read all the replies so far and have taken them on board, i wont be pushing the job onto another tog as i dont see why i should have to however i will be changing things slightly so i can stay the right side of the law. btw just to confirm i dont have any morals against photographing her topless she is a beautiful God given being after all but becuase of the nanny state we live in photography and art cannot be done how we'd like!
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Not one ounce of common sense then no? you sir, are one of the reasons that give people good reason to worry. Nanny state or not.

BAsically, you are going to photograph, not only an underage pregnancy, but you are going to photograph it in such a way, that treads on the toes of todays legal system.

Now don't get me wrong, I really am a humanist, and would love to say that the age of the girl does not bother me, god given n all, but that is another story.

I am worried for your sake mate. Seriously, contact a solicitor before you go ahead. Cover your bases.
 
Don't do it. Not only is it illegal to go taking topless pics of a minor but do you honestly think you can get away with saying it's art?

As a female I can understand the beauty of the female form but for goodness sake, she's a child. While I'm not for sending them off to the poorhouse, pregnancy at that age is not going to be seen as art. Not in a court of law at any rate, and that is exactly where you would be headed.

I'm seriously worried that you could honestly think of it any other way!
 
Just don't do it. The key word in the legislation is indecent. Indeceny is defined in common law as 'prevailing views of what is unacceptable behaviour'.

Given the responses on here so far, you'd be up a creek without any paddling apparatus.
 
Cableliquid: You CANNOT be serious.
 
Cue Mr Mcenroe.

Even with permission given or implied, just think(in this litigous society) about the potential for future trouble you are letting yourself in for???

"Yes Detective Inspector, he forced me into posing"

Cue a nice payday from the tabloids for the story.

Just say no.
 
cableliquid said:
i think i'll draw up some other ideas that wont be sexual or revelaing in any whilst still showing beauty, (NOT TOPLESS) i've read all the replies so far and have taken them on board, i wont be pushing the job onto another tog as i dont see why i should have to however i will be changing things slightly so i can stay the right side of the law. btw just to confirm i dont have any morals against photographing her topless she is a beautiful God given being after all but becuase of the nanny state we live in photography and art cannot be done how we'd like!
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WHAT??? :cuckoo:
 
Jesus H Christ..........:cuckoo:
 
Chewy said:
Just don't do it. The key word in the legislation is indecent. Indeceny is defined in common law as 'prevailing views of what is unacceptable behaviour'.

Given the responses on here so far, you'd be up a creek without any paddling apparatus.
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except we are not sociaty in general.
 
Scary thread with some scary responses...........:eek:
 
blimey:eek::eek:

this is a wind up right?:suspect:
 
Looks like if we had a vote then it would be a fairly one sided contest though.

As an ex cop I have to say you would be extremely ill advised to go anywhere near this. The previous quote of extremely long bargepole does not even come close.

It's not about a nanny state. The age of consent has been set at 16 for as long as I can remember (and that's quite a long time) the Childrens Act has a lot of legislation based around the age of 18.

This girl is 15. There is no way you should even be considering this. The fact that her mother is in agreement only leaves her open to prosecution under said Childrens Act for failing to look after her daughter. It does not excuse you.

Take the advice offered and leave well alone.
 
POAH said:
except we are not sociaty in general.
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No, I think as a whole we're much more accepting and open-minded about what 'togs get up to than society in general! It's asking for trouble, I think most of the general public would take the 'crucify first, ask questions later'.
 
AliB said:
This girl is 15.....
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That totally sums this question up for me. Just stop think about this for a moment - adult male with camera + topless underage school girl........

This isn't just a can of worms thats being opened up here
 
Rozzy said:
damn having made serious comments. i would love to take the **** now. but i will retain my integrity :thumbs:
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:lol::lol:

TBH, I'm still thinking this is a wind up, well, hoping anyway :thinking:
 
:popcorn:


I wonder how many will think of me as a perv. for enjoying this thread?
 
I think it's a great idea, you should do the shoot......







That way we can follow the legal procedings in the tabloids from start to finish :lol:
 
You are aware that with her consent, her parents consent you are still fully liable to be prosecuted and I would consider that quite likely to be given that if any of her teachers saw them they would be legally obligated to report them...
 
BANG:gag:

SLAP:gag:

Crack:gag:

Feeling better nowGOOD now go and tell this young lady that you will NOT in anyway be getting involved in any photo shoot, That you (OP) has suggested.

Now go and take a picture of a tree:thumbs:
 
Sheeee-it. Given the current state of apprehension that many people have against photographers I can't believe that any sane person would even consider taking this sort of picture.

For the OP, young + pregnant = huge niche in the adult industry.

It's hard to believe that some people are even trying to justify this.
 
i havent read through the whole thread but will state that. i wouldnt want to go near this! it only takes one perosn to see it as obscene have it reported and you reputation will never be the same.
 
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