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neil_g said:
it never used to be this bad..
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Short memory syndrome I think ... why should reasonable people be prevented from discussing things that interest them just because some haven't the ability to be civil? You have made it clear in the past that you have no time for religion but what if I suggested that cycling or computer topics should be banned?
It's a bit like the speeding you mentioned, we have 20mph limits and speed bumps all over the place ... because some people can't be reasonable everyone else suffers the consequences, rather than dealing with the offenders.
 
Llamaman said:
Maybe the compromise here, then, is to identify those who can't debate these topics cordially, and ban them from OOF for everyone's (including their own) benefit?
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or just to close OOF , after all there are lots of other places on the net where you can debate anything under the sun - the site is called talk photography, not talk b*****ks
 
Now wouldn't it be funny, if this thread ended up getting locked o_O or would the culprit / culprits get banned, as opposed to locking this particular thread?
 
big soft moose said:
or just to close OOF , after all there are lots of other places on the net where you can debate anything under the sun - the site is called talk photography, not talk b*****ks
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Says the man who's majority of posts are in the OOF :lol:
 
jonbeeza said:
Now wouldn't it be funny, if this thread ended up getting locked o_O or would the culprit / culprits get banned, as opposed to locking this particular thread?
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To be fair this is the nicest folk have been lol :D
 
big soft moose said:
or just to close OOF , after all there are lots of other places on the net where you can debate anything under the sun - the site is called talk photography, not talk b*****ks
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I think that'd be quite sad as this place does seem to be rather civil and for people stuck at home a lot or in boring jobs it's nice to have some (mostly) civil interaction on line.

I don't tnink that this place is any worse than others and possibly a lot better.

I hope that people heed the warnings and that OOF can continue.
 
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Cg_Girl said:
And you got out?...wow
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Yes, luckily those roads that lead to Corby work both ways.
Although I did pick up a Glaswegian accent, a smoking habit and a pocketful of Bank of Scotland fivers. I was only there 10 minutes!
 
dod said:
Borderline, you're carrying that over from another thread and we all know why. It stops here.
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For heavens sake, I was making light of the hassle on the other thread not trying to resurrect them.
 
gramps said:
Short memory syndrome I think ... why should reasonable people be prevented from discussing things.
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The problem here is that nearly everyone thinks they are one of the 'reasonable people' not part of the problem and its 'the others' who need to change their posting style ... and yet there are other threads in which they've got completely unwrapped.

Before anyone says anything about irony, I know I have the capability to post like a complete and total weapons grade penis at times - particularly on emotive subjects in OOF and/or when provoked - the reason that certain subjects need kicking into touch is that about 99% of the people posting in OOF have the same capability whether they recognise it or not
 
jakeblu said:
Says the man who's majority of posts are in the OOF :LOL:
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about 33% last time i looked (8400 out of nearly 22k) - per my post above i'm not saying i'm blameless in the behaviour dod is talking about, but that said that does give me the insight that at least in my case i'm much less likely to post like a complete and utter one when discussing topics other than religion and politics
 
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BRASH said:
For heavens sake, I was making light of the hassle on the other thread not trying to resurrect them.
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Likewise.

But point taken, I'll STFU.
 
BRASH said:
For heavens sake, I was making light of the hassle on the other thread not trying to resurrect them.
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when did I suggest this was a debate or a democracy? You knew exactly what you were doing there. If my original post wasn't clear enough take a couple of days to read it thoroughly
 
big soft moose said:
99% of the people posting in OOF have the same capability whether they recognise it or not
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Most people have the capacity to change though.

When I first started posting in OOF, I was getting wound up and overstepping the line. I even got a warning or two. So I decided to take a week off, and come back with a different mindset. I still find myself occasionally writing stroppy or sarky remarks, but (usually) delete them before posting when my better judgment kicks in.

I like posting here because we are all different - the only thing we have in common is photography, so discussion on other topics raises viewpoints I wouldn't necessarily get elsewhere.
 
gramps said:
Short memory syndrome I think ... why should reasonable people be prevented from discussing things that interest them just because some haven't the ability to be civil? You have made it clear in the past that you have no time for religion but what if I suggested that cycling or computer topics should be banned?
It's a bit like the speeding you mentioned, we have 20mph limits and speed bumps all over the place ... because some people can't be reasonable everyone else suffers the consequences, rather than dealing with the offenders.
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not at all. i think i've been here long enough to remember when there was a lot less arguing.

and i cant think of a single cycling thread that has resorted to arguments.

e: just looked at how long ive been here for a laugh. Feb 13, 2009 i joined. wow.
 
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neil_g said:
and i cant think of a single cycling thread that has resorted to arguments.
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apart from the one about drugging - but at least that argument was cyclical :LOL:
 
it was a while ago - i can't remember tbh ... i think it started off being about lance , but the details escape me
 
big soft moose said:
it was a while ago - i can't remember tbh ... but the details escape me
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No, your honour, I have no idea how that big sack of cash in bank rolls came to be in the boot of my car. I don't remember anything... I have explosive amnesia... ;)
 
Llamaman said:
No, your honour, I have no idea how that big sack of cash in bank rolls came to be in the boot of my car. I don't remember anything... I have explosive amnesia... ;)
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Shh we don't want to tell anyone about that till we've laundered it... oops
 
gramps said:
I think you miss the point :)
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I don't think he does - but the general point is that for most people religion/politics is a contentious issue - cycling and other interests no so much, or at least not to the same number of people
 
big soft moose said:
I don't think he does - but the general point is that for most people religion/politics is a contentious issue - cycling and other interests no so much, or at least not to the same number of people
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So the decision should be interest based then according to your reasoning, not one of common courtesy and good manners?
Just because 'you' don't like what I want to discuss the subject should be banned?
Surely, if one cannot debate an issue without resorting to abusive behaviour then the options should be either they leave the discussion of their own accord or be forced to leave it, not ban the subject being discussed ... in general terms it's NOT the discussion it's the person's response.
 
Llamaman said:
I think the problem is that the bar for a ban is set rather high, and some members know just what they can get away with - thus posting an endless stream of provocation whilst never quite doing enough to justify a ban in any particular post.
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Which is exactly what a troll would do and is something that should be picked up on and dealt with by way of a ban
 
gramps said:
So the decision should be interest based then according to your reasoning, not one of common courtesy and good manners?
Just because 'you' don't like what I want to discuss the subject should be banned?
Surely, if one cannot debate an issue without resorting to abusive behaviour then the options should be either they leave the discussion of their own accord or be forced to leave it, not ban the subject being discussed ... in general terms it's NOT the discussion it's the person's response.
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Exactly, we try and take a liberal approach, unfortunately we give a few inches and a few just can't help themselves but take a mile or two.
And then squeal that they have been unfairly treated when they are (eventually) sanctioned.
 
big soft moose said:
not to mention that some people can't tell the difference between a debate and an argument
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An argument is a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition.

No it isn't!

Yes it is! 'tisn't just contradiction.
Argument is an intellectual process. Contradiction is just the automatic gainsaying of anything the other person says.

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Cobra said:
Exactly, we try and take a liberal approach, unfortunately we give a few inches and a few just can't help themselves but take a mile or two.
And then squeal that they have been unfairly treated when they are (eventually) sanctioned.
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So maybe there is a lesson to be learned. :)
 
big soft moose said:
The problem here is that nearly everyone thinks they are one of the 'reasonable people' not part of the problem and its 'the others' who need to change their posting style ... and yet there are other threads in which they've got completely unwrapped.

Before anyone says anything about irony, I know I have the capability to post like a complete and total weapons grade penis at times - particularly on emotive subjects in OOF and/or when provoked - the reason that certain subjects need kicking into touch is that about 99% of the people posting in OOF have the same capability whether they recognise it or not
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If only this could be. Most people on here are probably reasonable people but topics get heated. I've no issue with having a healthy debate, its how civilised people learn, grow, perhaps even have their views slightly moderated in the future. We should be able to discuss like adults without resorting to personal attacks, realistically you've lost the argument at that point. We shouldn't really need mods, if this was real life it would probably never take the direction some comments do, people seem to feel they can unleash with the anonymity of the internet.

And no, ive not seen the recent spats, i've been offline for a weekish, but its getting tiresome at times. There's a huge amount of good stuff on here, helpful people, great advice. Realistically it's down to us as members to remember to be respectful.
 
gramps said:
So maybe there is a lesson to be learned. :)
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But if we take a hard line, there will be a lot less members!
And yes I know a lot of people will see that as a good idea ;)

But who to "cull"? I'm sure that virtually every member on here has their "favourites" list ;)
 
Cobra said:
But if we take a hard line, there will be a lot less members!
And yes I know a lot of people will see that as a good idea ;)

But who to "cull"? I'm sure that virtually every member on here has their "favourites" list ;)
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I honestly don't think you would have any less members than the ones who have already left or reduced their input ... in fact I would suggest that if this place really became the 'friendliest on the net' the membership would increase.
It isn't a case of "favourites" it's a question of civility and that should be a line that is clear for all to see, no matter who you are, cross the line and you know what to expect.
 
Cobra said:
But if we take a hard line, there will be a lot less members!
And yes I know a lot of people will see that as a good idea ;)

But who to "cull"? I'm sure that virtually every member on here has their "favourites" list ;)
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We could have a vote. Very democratic :)
 
gramps said:
I honestly don't think you would have any less members than the ones who have already left or reduced their input ... in fact I would suggest that if this place really became the 'friendliest on the net' the membership would increase.
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And / Or the people that say they don't post because of certain "arses" will start posting again,
but that brings me back to my point above, I'm sure everyone has their favourites that they would like to see leave, one way or another ;)
gramps said:
It isn't a case of "favourites" it's a question of civility and that should be a line that is clear for all to see, no matter who you are, cross the line and you know what to expect.
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But that's the point we try and keep it friendly and just warn people in the thread or occasionally in private.
Every now and then we have to have a crack down, and that when the bitching starts,
although one of them thar behind the scenes ( mostly) crack down is happening now ;)
Things will settle down for awhile as they always do.
 
We shall see ... but I'll keep breathing :)
 
Instead of locking threads, why not just shoot people in the face?
 
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