The virus. PPE. Part 1

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NeilA1975 said:
I'm not sure it a valid comparison.
If you look at all the MP's that have blatantly ignored the rules they made, none of them have actually lost their job and neither has their respective leaders called for them to go either.
By contrast these same people have been calling for Cummings to go for a possible minor infraction.......that's it! Zero consistency. Hypocrites, the lot of 'em!
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Er.... the Labour whip did lose their job as whip and the leader could not call for them to go as they... went!
 
Fuji Dave said:
IMO NZ did a great job of getting through the virus, so hands up to them all.
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NZ is totally different - for a start its a destination and 'hard' to get to other than Australia - and the population is a tenth if that of UK - not comparable at all.
 
Bobsyeruncle said:
Not completely futile. We're both island nations and I'm sure if we'd closed our borders like they did, we'd have far fewer deaths, and if they'd responded like we did, they'd have a lot more.
I'm sure you'd agree if you could remove your tory hat for a few seconds.
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sphexx said:
Umm, no it’s not :(.
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I don't think there is any point adding to Simon's post - he has hit the 'nail on the head' with his reply.

cambsno said:
NZ is totally different - for a start its a destination and 'hard' to get to other than Australia - and the population is a tenth if that of UK - not comparable at all.
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cambsno said:
NZ is totally different - for a start its a destination and 'hard' to get to other than Australia - and the population is a tenth if that of UK - not comparable at all.
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I`m not on about how many people live here or there, NZ did a great job to be where they are now. UK well we are all still up the creek.
 
cambsno said:
NZ is totally different - for a start its a destination and 'hard' to get to other than Australia - and the population is a tenth if that of UK - not comparable at all.
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So why did they think it necessary to be so strict and so quick to act?
If we'd acted quickly and effectively like they did, do you not think our death toll would be considerably lower?
Given our differences to NZ, we should have acted quicker, and been stricter.
 
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Bobsyeruncle said:
OK, him being an official coronavirus expert :LOL:
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I can't comment for Simon but I'm certainly not a Coronavirus expert and I pretty sure there aren't many here that are?

The Government followed the best scientific advice available to them (I also think the good evidence of this is how close the SNP did exactly the same and how ministers from the Conservatives and SNP agreed with each other on QT - a very rare sight)

I did post this video much earlier in the thread showing how an early lockdown wouldn't have worked:

RWDW said:
I think the below video explains quite well how the different measures achieve a certain effect and why they had to be applied at certain times - remeber the Lockdown is very limited in the UK due to our society; we won't stand it or be able to enforce it.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCOkEXsfPoQ
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To be fair, London is one of the top ten busiest airports in the world within a fairly high population density and I suspect pretty crap hygiene standards compared to places such as Japan - but this is pure speculation by me.

I'm quite sure this may have substantially contributed to the rapid spread of the virus.
 
Bobsyeruncle said:
Here's a video from one of the governnents advisors at the time of lockdown stating that locking down 1 week earlier could have halved the death toll.
View: https://youtu.be/SKNpCBBuVws
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It isn't really a video it's a very short clip of an interview that the Guardian is using for it's own political gain.

The interview was published on the 10th of June and we said at the start of this Pandemic that hindsight is a wonderful thing but using it to chastise decisions made at the time is just wrong!

The video cuts as the professor is trying to explain that when lockdown occured they didn't know nearly as much about the virus as they do now and we would expect that and thankfully learn from it.

we also have different experts saying different things and even the same experts saying different things.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfN2JWifLCY


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyKeZFG4Bxc

Please note the Proffesors wording around the 3min 30 where he basically says it's all guesswork.
 
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boyfalldown said:
It also doesn't agree with RWDW's world view so in his world the guy who isn't a virologist mansplaining things in his garage carries much more weight :thinking::thinking:
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And the other clip about how Sweden got it right by not enforcing lockdown is a month old, and Sweden are now admitting they got it wrong.
 
RWDW said:
It isn't really a video it's a very short clip of an interview that the Guardian is using for it's own political gain.
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What you mean by their ”political gain”?
 
HMG are abandoning the R number because they have found out it’s difficult to calculate :(. I‘ve just watched Kay Burley (in Liverpool) interviewing a gov Minister asking why it was safe to re-open there while R is above 1 and that was basically what he said in his non-answer :(

I heard Johnson havering around 1 metre and 2 metres yesterday and talking about “statistics”, on which he seems to be an expert :).
 
That's just f*****g great......got an email this morning.....redundant, as a result of the impact of Cv-19.
 
sphexx said:
HMG are abandoning the R number because they have found out it’s difficult to calculate :(. I‘ve just watched Kay Burley (in Liverpool) interviewing a gov Minister asking why it was safe to re-open there while R is above 1 and that was basically what he said in his non-answer :(

I heard Johnson havering around 1 metre and 2 metres yesterday and talking about “statistics”, on which he seems to be an expert :).
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More like they're abandoning it because it's going to go up and they don't want anyone to know.
 
Bobsyeruncle said:
And the other clip about how Sweden got it right by not enforcing lockdown is a month old, and Sweden are now admitting they got it wrong.
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Yes and even Sweden asked people to use common sense that approach unfortunately would have never worked in the uk
 
The Tories will always put wealth or more accurately theirs before the health or wellbeing of the gen pop
Always have and always will no matter how hard Mr Johnson tries to b******t his new Northern voters.

If their backers say bring it down to 1m they will, whats a few more lives worth
Already killed 25k needlessly with their late lockdown thanks to the advice from Rasputin
No doubt the right wing dim wits will say otherwise, but the corpses in the morgue don't lie
 
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mex said:
That's just f*****g great......got an email this morning.....redundant, as a result of the impact of Cv-19.
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Boy, that sucks. I was made redundant during the crash in 2008, it was a lousy time to lose your job then as it is now.

Hope you get something sorted as soon as possible.
 
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tijuana taxi said:
The Tories will always put wealth or more accurately theirs before the health or wellbeing of the gen pop
Always have and always will no matter how hard Mr Johnson tries to b******t his new Northern voters.

If their backers say bring it down to 1m they will, whats a few more lives worth
Already killed 25k needlessly with their late lockdown thanks to the advice from Rasputin
No doubt the right wing dim wits will say otherwise, but the corpses in the morgue don't lie
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There is an unwritten rule in the construction industry that in the UK a life is worth £1.9m. If a safety measure that could be expected to save one life cost more than that, generally it doesn't get implemented. What is the betting that a similar calculation has been done, on a much larger scale?
 
We can all use hindsight to say we should have done this or that and what could have happened - it's the easiest thing in the world to do because it can never be proved one way or another.

Unfortunately no person posseses the skills to look into the future and at the time the advice was followed.

It also assumes that we could of locked down earlier - the UK has no means of enforcing any lockdown so it all relied on the will of the public; IMO the public would not have accepted it the week earlier (We struggled to accept it when it was actually introduced). You are actually posting links to an expert who didn't follow lockdown himself though.

That last point could be debated ad infinitum but again we will never know the answer so would be pointless.
 
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RWDW said:
You are actually posting links to an expert who didn't follow lockdown himself though.
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That is true, and he did the honourable thing and resigned, after admitting his lover visited his home.
He didn't come up with a ludicrous story about testing if his cock still worked...
 
mex said:
That's just f*****g great......got an email this morning.....redundant, as a result of the impact of Cv-19.
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Easy to say now, but it could be good! I lost my job 3.5 years ago and was a struggle to get something as good - it took a while but then got an amazing job with a brilliant company and now an even better one! Not great at the time and dont know your circumstances etc... it is a tough time to be looking but hopefully you will have the same story to tell as I did
 
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Bobsyeruncle said:
That is true, and he did the honourable thing and resigned, after admitting his lover visited his home.
He didn't come up with a ludicrous story about testing if his cock still worked...
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Sometimes a like is not enough, you deserve a gold star for that :ROFLMAO:
 
mex said:
That's just f*****g great......got an email this morning.....redundant, as a result of the impact of Cv-19.
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Sorry to hear that Nigel, I hope things turn around quickly for you, and for anyone else in the same situation.
 
RWDW said:
We can all use hindsight to say we should have done this or that and what could have happened - it's the easiest thing in the world to do because it can never be proved one way or another.

Unfortunately no person posseses the skills to look into the future and at the time the advice was followed.

It also assumes that we could of locked down earlier - the UK has no means of enforcing any lockdown so it all relied on the will of the public; IMO the public would not have accepted it the week earlier (We struggled to accept it when it was actually introduced). You are actually posting links to an expert who didn't follow lockdown himself though.

That last point could be debated ad infinitum but again we will never know the answer so would be pointless.
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It’s not hindsight, it was lack of foresight :(. The likelihood of a pandemic was well known and indeed forecast.
 
The BBC drama doc “The Salisbury Poisonings” told from the perspective of the Public Health Director is particularly interesting. There are so many parallels (in miniature) with COVID-19, including the reactions of the (Teresa May) government.

All three episodes are available now on iPlayer.
 
bass_junkie83 said:
There is an unwritten rule in the construction industry that in the UK a life is worth £1.9m. If a safety measure that could be expected to save one life cost more than that, generally it doesn't get implemented. What is the betting that a similar calculation has been done, on a much larger scale?
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It's a lot less than that in other areas Grenfell 72 lives lost for a cost saving of around 1.3 million less than 20,000 each.
 
sphexx said:
It’s not hindsight, it was lack of foresight:(. The likelihood of a pandemic was well known and indeed forecast.
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Indeed and I remember people calling for lockdown weeks before it actually happened. Pretty sure they weren't using hindsight.
 
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