The virus. PPE. Part 1

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cambsno said:
Easy to say but a lot of mps are like us, kids to provide for, mortgage etc. Would you put that at risk?
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Yes.

Wouldn't you, if you had campaigned for the job on the basis of being a public spirited, decent person who wanted to do the very best for their community?
 
Wouldn't you, if you had campaigned for the job on the basis of being a public spirited, decent person who wanted to do the very best for their community?
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But how many MPs (of ANY political persuasion) did that?
 
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Nod said:
But how many MPs (of ANY political persuasion) did that?
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You have to ask yourself this one question: "because everyone else is bent, should I be bent as well"?

Before anyone asks the obvious question: I have resigned from jobs where I thought the people I was working for were corrupt.
 
jakeblu said:
Not bloody travel 300 miles thats what!
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Yes that’s exactly what I thought and to travel that far with symptoms is criminal he may well have got petrol on the way, I would have thought so for that length of journey and infected people at the petrol station
And also someone in the top few percent of income would have been able to afford to pay for child care to be arranged so it’s a rubbish excuse
 
Bobsyeruncle said:
I'm not a fan of Dominic Cummings,but if his wife had coronavirus and he started showing symptoms, and they were worried about their young son should they both become ill, what should they have done?
If my son and daughter in law were ill and unable to look after our grandkids, we would look after them.
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It has now come to light that his sister lives just 2 streets away from him, seems a bit odd to travel so far when you have family so close.

Edit: His close aide lives 2 streets away, his sister lives 'locally'.
 
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AndrewFlannigan said:
Yes.

Wouldn't you, if you had campaigned for the job on the basis of being a public spirited, decent person who wanted to do the very best for their community?
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I dont think most Tory MPs did campaign as being decent and public spirited!!!

But no. Family comes first. Obviously if you are an MP without those worries then maybe, but if I was in my situation and an MP, unless I had good alternatives planned I would not risk my families future.
 
cambsno said:
but if I was in my situation and an MP, unless I had good alternatives planned I would not risk my families future.
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In which case, while you may well be a fine and decent family man, you would not be suitable as a representative of your fellow citizens.
 
LCPete said:
Yes that’s exactly what I thought and to travel that far with symptoms is criminal he may well have got petrol on the way, I would have thought so for that length of journey and infected people at the petrol station
And also someone in the top few percent of income would have been able to afford to pay for child care to be arranged so it’s a rubbish excuse
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It was his wife who had symptoms, not him, it isn't 300 miles, it was closer to 260 miles, I doubt there are many cars outside of supercars, that couldn't manage that on what would mainly be motorway mileage. Even if it only had a 10 gallon fuel tank, I doubt his car would have been averaging as little as 26mpg over the length of the trip. They stayed at a house near his parents, not in the same house and it is going to be fairly difficult to have expected to find someone to provide childcare for them at home, regardless of how much he earns or was willing to pay. Would you have gone into a house to work for 14 or more days, knowing someone in the house had symptoms?
 
mex said:
Durham police 23.5.2020 :- "Officers explained to the family the guidance around self-isolating and reiterated the appropriate advice regarding essential travel"

Downing street 23.5.2020 :- "At no stage were he or his family spoken to by the police regarding this matter"

Who do you believe?
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As with anything this government say you have to read between the lines.

The police said they spoke to the owners of the property he was in.

I take that as saying "the house he stayed in wasn't owned by his family."
 
mex said:
It has now come to light that his sister lives just 2 streets away from him, seems a bit odd to travel so far when you have family so close.

Edit: His close aide lives 2 streets away, his sister lives 'locally'.
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Do you know for a fact that his sister or his aide don't have health issues or live with people with health issues which would prevent them from being of any help?
 
Nod said:
But how many MPs (of ANY political persuasion) did that?
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Since he’s Johnson’s hero, one should mention that Churchill did, twice :).
 
nilagin said:
It was his wife who had symptoms, not him, it isn't 300 miles, it was closer to 260 miles, I doubt there are many cars outside of supercars, that couldn't manage that on what would mainly be motorway mileage. Even if it only had a 10 gallon fuel tank, I doubt his car would have been averaging as little as 26mpg over the length of the trip. They stayed at a house near his parents, not in the same house and it is going to be fairly difficult to have expected to find someone to provide childcare for them at home, regardless of how much he earns or was willing to pay. Would you have gone into a house to work for 14 or more days, knowing someone in the house had symptoms?
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Both he & his wife had ‘symptoms ... pay attention :).
 
nilagin said:
Do you know for a fact that his sister or his aide don't have health issues or live with people with health issues which would prevent them from being of any help?
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They'd have just said that to explain him breaking the rules if that was the case. But regardless,
everyone else is just expected to suck it up and self isolate. That's what my family had to do. Because that's what the rules say.
 
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KitsuneAndy said:
Might take my daughter to visit her grand parents tomorrow, after listening to the press conference it appears it's up to parents to interpret the rules as they like.

It'd do Jessica's mental health the world of good to see her grandparents.
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Quite right - it would also do me good for a few pints with some mates down the pub!!
 
The ridiculousness of it is that if you're well and symptom free you can't visit your family, but if you have symptoms you can travel half way across the country to go and stay with them.

Doesn't seem very logical.
 
Fuji Dave said:
As folk are ripping apart DC for making a mistake, and he did get the virus once he was there. What about prince charles when he went god knows how many miles when he caught it.
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I mentioned that earlier — it wasn’t hidden and I think heir to the throne is a special case regardless of whether you’re a Republican or not. I’m not even sure if the rules apply to him :(.
 
KitsuneAndy said:
Might take my daughter to visit her grand parents tomorrow, after listening to the press conference it appears it's up to parents to interpret the rules as they like.

It'd do Jessica's mental health the world of good to see her grandparents.
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You have been able to do that since last week, but if your parents are in an at risk group due to health and or age, you shouldn't enter their home.
 
nilagin said:
You have been able to do that since last week, but if your parents are in an at risk group due to health and or age, you shouldn't enter their home.
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Unless you are a carer for either of your parents, might take a ride to my Mums tomorrow as not seen her for a while, and she will need some milk :cool:
 
Spot the difference:

"extraordinary........left me speechles, he took the right decision to resign"...."I gave [the police] their space to make that decision [to prosecute]. Matt Hancock regarding Prof. Neil Ferguson breaking lockdown rules.

and:
"It was entirely right for Dominic to find childcare for his toddler, when both he and his wife were ill" - Matt Hancock regarding Dominic Cummings breaking lockdown rules.

It's farcical.
 
KitsuneAndy said:
The ridiculousness of it is that if you're well and symptom free you can't visit your family, but if you have symptoms you can travel half way across the country to go and stay with them.

Doesn't seem very logical.
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He didn't stay with family, he stayed in a house nearby.
 
nilagin said:
Exactly, that report only states it was his wife who had symptoms, he was only self isolating as a result of her symptoms.
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You must of missed this bit (y)

Ms Wakefield - commissioning editor at the Spectator - wrote an article for the magazine during the pair's isolation, describing their experiences of the virus.
She said that she "felt breathless, sometimes achy", but that her husband had "collapsed... and couldn't get out of bed."
She wrote: "Day in, day out for 10 days he lay doggo with a high fever and spasms that made the muscles lump and twitch in his legs. He could breathe, but only in a limited, shallow way."
 
nilagin said:
You have been able to do that since last week, but if your parents are in an at risk group due to health and or age, you shouldn't enter their home.
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No you haven't.

You've only been able to see one at a time.
 
Classic Dom.

"Devastating new claims have emerged that Dominic Cummings further breached the lockdown rules, as Downing Street came under sustained pressure to fire the prime minister’s most senior adviser.

The new testimony suggests Cummings left the home where he was staying in Durham to visit a town 30 miles away. He was allegedly spotted back in Durham on 19 April, days after he was photographed in London having recovered from the virus."


https://www.theguardian.com/politic...st-doubt-on-dominic-cummingss-lockdown-claims

Wonder who'll jump to his defence on this one.
 
Fuji Dave said:
You must of missed this bit (y)

Ms Wakefield - commissioning editor at the Spectator - wrote an article for the magazine during the pair's isolation, describing their experiences of the virus.
She said that she "felt breathless, sometimes achy", but that her husband had "collapsed... and couldn't get out of bed."
She wrote: "Day in, day out for 10 days he lay doggo with a high fever and spasms that made the muscles lump and twitch in his legs. He could breathe, but only in a limited, shallow way."
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Not hard to work out that would have been after they got there. I very much doubt he would have been able to drive, let alone attempt to drive.
 
nilagin said:
Exactly, that report only states it was his wife who had symptoms, he was only self isolating as a result of her symptoms.
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Did you read it? “She wrote: "Day in, day out for 10 days he lay doggo with a high fever and spasms that made the muscles lump and twitch in his legs. He could breathe, but only in a limited, shallow way."” .?

Revealing thar she wrote “doggo”, ie in hiding!
 
KitsuneAndy said:
So he didn't need help with childcare then did he.

You really will defend anything these idiots do.
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I can see why you daughter is in great need of visiting her grandparents for her mental health. Don't wait until tomorrow, go right now.
 
nilagin said:
Not hard to work out that would have been after they got there. I very much doubt he would have been able to drive, let alone attempt to drive.
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That doesn't follow. Symptoms may be mild at first, even though the patient is already highly infectious and may go on to develop a much more serious illness.
 
mex said:
It has now come to light that his sister lives just 2 streets away from him, seems a bit odd to travel so far when you have family so close.

Edit: His close aide lives 2 streets away, his sister lives 'locally'.
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Obviously there was no way Dominic Cummings or his family could have gotten help from any of their employers or family and friends in the area and obviously he new no one in a position to get him any help so it therefore stands to reason that the only way he could get the help he required was for either he or his wife to drive them and their son around 270 miles to his parents even though this was against all the government guidance, and we are supposed to buy this BS.

www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-stay-at-home-guidance/stay-at-home-guidance-for-households-with-possible-coronavirus-covid-19-infection
 
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