The virus. PPE. Part 1

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Why aren't these companies just supplying there local hospitals? That's what people around here have been doing.
Even the company whose car detailing stuff I buy has been supplying cleaning products and ppe to their local NHS.
 
So the only clear end to this is to get a vaccine - but how safe is that? We know that for most people, its not a killer - certainly if you have no issues and are under 50 (or 40 for sure), the death rate is tiny! How will we know that this vaccine does not have other side effects, longer term ones, that we will not know for a while? This is one thing that worries me about the pace of this development.

Other than a vaccine there is always the hope that an existing medicine can have a positive effect on treating the virus.
If however a vaccine comes along in the next 12 months or less, I reckon many people over the ages you mentioned would be tempted to take it just to return to some normality.
 
Can I just remind you that we are discussing reasonable excuses. Training for the Olympics is not a necessity so not reasonable.

You're still misunderstanding the law, leaving your house for exercise is the reasonable excuse, there are no legal restrictions in the law other than you need to be doing it alone or with members of your household.

You're adding things in that aren't in the law.

If you were just discussing the Welsh Regulations you'd have a point as they do have a restriction there on how often you can exercise (once per day).
 
Why aren't these companies just supplying there local hospitals? That's what people around here have been doing.
Even the company whose car detailing stuff I buy has been supplying cleaning products and ppe to their local NHS.

It seems that Jess Philips has done that in that case.

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There are other suppliers on Twitter saying the same thing.

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The Culture Secretary (Oliver Dowden) was interviewed on the BBC1 Breakfast programme this morning. A couple of things he said were -

In the early stages we pursued a track and trace policy(which sounds like what South Korea were/are doing) - was I the only one who missed that?

Nope I've noted a few ministers state it over the last month and it never seems to get followed up, certainly been no track and trace in my workplace and we've had a few nurses now with it.
Government is working to overcome each challenge as it arrives - shouldn't there be some forward planning?

Indeed, but they did that with the Cygnus excercise and then ignored it back in 2016.
A billion pieces of ppe have been delivered - Oliver Dowden did not give the timescale over which these pieces of ppe were delivered but as the interview was obviously about the pandemic I assume this provision was since Covid 19 appeared and one billion is a lot.

You'd think so wouldn't you, but they are describing individual items, not boxes. I've heard a few interviews where this has been expressly stated, ie items not boxes.

So, if you take only gloves, where I work there's 300 gloves in one box, 1 billion divided by that 300 is 3,333,333 boxes of gloves, again a lot.
But if I think about how many there are on my unit alone at any one time (taking into account small, medium and large need to be present) then there are 45 boxes (45 x 300 = 13500 gloves) then there's about the same in the store room so round down to 25000, thats just for our 36 bed unit and 2 gloves per patient interaction is roughly 2 x 6 interactions x 36 patients x 2 long shifts so about 8-900 gloves in 24 hours which is about a months worth if you assume we wont be full every day etc and sounds ok and it's very quick and dirty math.

But thats just one unit / ward. I don't know how many wards there are exactly in my hospital and some are bigger than others ie big London ones and smaller regional and district hospitals so the math really is very very dirty but as an example if there are just over 1200 hospitals in the UK and only one ward in each is the same use as mine then 8-900 gloves a day is 960,000 to 1,080,000. Even slashing that by 50% its still half a million (5% of that billion items) per day, based on one ward per hospital. And yeah we're thinking but thats 20 days worth no problem. Then the penny drops and realisation dawns that no one has remembered gowns, aprons, shoe covers, goggles, face masks which need to be type IIR surgical as well as the N95 etc.

Cynical I know, and Id love to have proper figures rather than on the fly but none of the journos are probing it, they hear one billion and think it's a massive amount of gear.

I tried to translate this figure into something easier to handle. To make the calculation easy I assumed the delivery of these one billion pieces started on January 10th (Jan 10th is 100 days from yesterday). One billion pieces of ppe delivered in that time period equates to 10,000,000 pieces delivered every day since Jan 10th.

That would be quite an achievement anyway but seems unlikely given that for some time many concerns have been raised about the lack of adequate equipment.

I wonder if the Culture Secretary was being creative with the figures, ie perhaps the one billion referred to a period that started before Covid19 was ever heard of, or perhaps he just got the figure wrong.

Anyone else think that a billion is an unlikely figure?

Dave
As said above though 10 million divided by 1200 hospitals is 8333 pieces of ppe or say on my original dirty math on gloves about 10 days worth not including masks, gowns, aprons, shoe covers, hats, visors, goggles and again based on only 36 patients needing 12 interactions over a 24 hour period per hospital so its a massive conservative estimate Im sure.
 
So, if you take only gloves, where I work there's 300 gloves in one box, 1 billion divided by that 300 is 3,333,333 boxes of gloves, again a lot.
Maybe the Government counts a pair of gloves as 10.
 
You're still misunderstanding the law, leaving your house for exercise is the reasonable excuse, there are no legal restrictions in the law other than you need to be doing it alone or with members of your household.

You're adding things in that aren't in the law.
I am not adding anything at all.
People are allowed to leave their homes so long as they have a reasonable excuse. Reasonable, is the defining word there. Then it goes on to list what the reasonable activities are. 1hr is reasonable exercise, 3hrs is not reasonable it really is that simple
Otherwise they may just as well have no restrictions at all if you want to interpret as,
I am staying out all day, everybody, exercising.
I am staying out all day, everybody, shopping in the supermarkets.
I am staying out all day, everybody, picking up medicine.
It is all down to reasonable interpretation.
 
The Culture Secretary (Oliver Dowden) was interviewed on the BBC1 Breakfast programme this morning. A couple of things he said were -

In the early stages we pursued a track and trace policy(which sounds like what South Korea were/are doing) - was I the only one who missed that?

Government is working to overcome each challenge as it arrives - shouldn't there be some forward planning?

A billion pieces of ppe have been delivered - Oliver Dowden did not give the timescale over which these pieces of ppe were delivered but as the interview was obviously about the pandemic I assume this provision was since Covid 19 appeared and one billion is a lot.

I tried to translate this figure into something easier to handle. To make the calculation easy I assumed the delivery of these one billion pieces started on January 10th (Jan 10th is 100 days from yesterday). One billion pieces of ppe delivered in that time period equates to 10,000,000 pieces delivered every day since Jan 10th.

That would be quite an achievement anyway but seems unlikely given that for some time many concerns have been raised about the lack of adequate equipment.

I wonder if the Culture Secretary was being creative with the figures, ie perhaps the one billion referred to a period that started before Covid19 was ever heard of, or perhaps he just got the figure wrong.

Anyone else think that a billion is an unlikely figure?

Dave

I recall Track & Trace being mentioned, but that was way back at the time when infections could be counted on fingers and toes. At the rate Covid 19 is capable of spreading I would doubt if that method was pursued for any length of time in this country. Looks like we have come up short in this aspect.
 
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I am not adding anything at all.
People are allowed to leave their homes so long as they have a reasonable excuse. Reasonable, is the defining word there. Then it goes on to list what the reasonable activities are. 1hr is reasonable exercise, 3hrs is not reasonable it really is that simple
Otherwise they may just as well have no restrictions at all if you want to interpret as,
I am staying out all day, everybody, exercising.
I am staying out all day, everybody, shopping in the supermarkets.
I am staying out all day, everybody, picking up medicine.
It is all down to reasonable interpretation.

No, it's not. A court will interpret it basically, unlike you they don't add their opinion to the end of a law to change what it means.

You might have missed the start of this discussion, the NPCC actually used "Driving to countryside and walking (where far more time is spent walking than driving)" and "Stopping to rest or to eat lunch while on a long walk" as two of their examples of what they consider acceptable, it's pretty impossible for your opinion of what's reasonable to fit into either scenario.

If you stopped to rest and have lunch for 30-45 minutes whilst on a long walk, then the walk would need to be significantly longer (so 2-3 hours) to comply.
 
Then it goes on to list what the reasonable activities are. 1hr is reasonable exercise, 3hrs is not reasonable it really is that simple


Please could you post a link to an OFFICIAL site that tells us exactly what is a reasonable time to exercise.

And I've seen a couple of places that specifically say that cleaning your car is NOT a reasonable excuse to be outdoors, other than cleaning the windows to allow you to see through them clearly.
 
No, it's not. A court will interpret it basically, unlike you they don't add their opinion to the end of a law to change what it means.

You might have missed the start of this discussion, the NPCC actually used "Driving to countryside and walking (where far more time is spent walking than driving)" and "Stopping to rest or to eat lunch while on a long walk" as two of their examples of what they consider acceptable, it's pretty impossible for your opinion of what's reasonable to fit into either scenario.

If you stopped to rest and have lunch for 30-45 minutes whilst on a long walk, then the walk would need to be significantly longer (so 2-3 hours) to comply.
In that case I would argue that no one stops for lunch whilst taking exercise. If you can stop for lunch and then resume exercise there after without throwing up, you're just out for a walk as opposed to actually exercising.
 
In that case I would argue that no one stops for lunch whilst taking exercise. If you can stop for lunch and then resume exercise there after without throwing up, you're just out for a walk as opposed to actually exercising.

you see, now you're adding your opinion to what constitutes exercise.

Walking is universally accepted as being a form of exercise.

and the NPCC specifically lists it as such...
 
Please could you post a link to an OFFICIAL site that tells us exactly what is a reasonable time to exercise.

And I've seen a couple of places that specifically say that cleaning your car is NOT a reasonable excuse to be outdoors, other than cleaning the windows to allow you to see through them clearly.
I have already provided a link, it was the World Health Organisation that I posted earlier.

As far as cleaning cars, that is all down to Doctor Hilary Jones from the TV answering a TV viewers question. There is no actual government regulation on the matter other than hand car wash or detailing businesses aren't supposed to operate during lockdown.
 
I have already provided a link, it was the World Health Organisation that I posted earlier.

The WHO now makes UK legislation?

All that recent business about "TAKE BACK CONTROL" and now we've handed it over to the WHO :runaway:.
 
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Please could you post a link to an OFFICIAL site that tells us exactly what is a reasonable time to exercise.

There isn't one, as there is no duration stipulation in the law.

This is the law:

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/350/made

Reg 6 (2)(b) covers exercise.

Restrictions on movement
6.—(1) During the emergency period, no person may leave the place where they are living without reasonable excuse.

(2) For the purposes of paragraph (1), a reasonable excuse includes the need—

(a)to obtain basic necessities, including food and medical supplies for those in the same household (including any pets or animals in the household) or for vulnerable persons and supplies for the essential upkeep, maintenance and functioning of the household, or the household of a vulnerable person, or to obtain money, including from any business listed in Part 3 of Schedule 2;

(b)to take exercise either alone or with other members of their household;


c)to seek medical assistance, including to access any of the services referred to in paragraph 37 or 38 of Schedule 2;

(d)to provide care or assistance, including relevant personal care within the meaning of paragraph 7(3B) of Schedule 4 to the Safeguarding of Vulnerable Groups Act 2006(3), to a vulnerable person, or to provide emergency assistance;

(e)to donate blood;

(f)to travel for the purposes of work or to provide voluntary or charitable services, where it is not reasonably possible for that person to work, or to provide those services, from the place where they are living;

(g)to attend a funeral of—

(i)a member of the person’s household,

(ii)a close family member, or

(iii)if no-one within sub-paragraphs (i) or (ii) are attending, a friend;

(h)to fulfil a legal obligation, including attending court or satisfying bail conditions, or to participate in legal proceedings;

(i)to access critical public services, including—

(i)childcare or educational facilities (where these are still available to a child in relation to whom that person is the parent, or has parental responsibility for, or care of the child);

(ii)social services;

(iii)services provided by the Department of Work and Pensions;

(iv)services provided to victims (such as victims of crime);

(j)in relation to children who do not live in the same household as their parents, or one of their parents, to continue existing arrangements for access to, and contact between, parents and children, and for the purposes of this paragraph, “parent” includes a person who is not a parent of the child, but who has parental responsibility for, or who has care of, the child;

(k)in the case of a minister of religion or worship leader, to go to their place of worship;

(l)to move house where reasonably necessary;

(m)to avoid injury or illness or to escape a risk of harm.

(3) For the purposes of paragraph (1), the place where a person is living includes the premises where they live together with any garden, yard, passage, stair, garage, outhouse or other appurtenance of such premises.
 
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A few thoughts struck me about this aspect of some Americans

Does the constitution give them the inalienable right to act in a manner that threatens and actually could/will result in their fellow citizens dying?

Does the mentality being exhibited fall into the category of "if I can't see it, smell it, touch it...." et al. It will not affect me. NB from the way they shouted and made their feelings public, it seems they have not yet been 'touched' by the effects of Covid19??? And what would the same folk say if their kith & kin started dying???

"They" often say it is not the gun that kills but the person holding the gun.......by that analogy any of them could be a loaded gun and playing russian roulette with their unwitting fellow citizens!!!

After looking at the Twitter clips, as with yourself, I began wondering why so many have that attitude too so I Googled it and psychologist, Dr Marisa Franco Ph.D said it was a case of 'optimistic bias' or 'unrealistic optimism'.

I saw a comment elsewhere whilst looking it up.. 'How about those who don't take precautions have to sign a disclaimer re treatment should they get COVID-19 ?

Here's the article by Dr Franco https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/...lains-why-people-dont-take-covid-19-seriously
 
you see, now you're adding your opinion to what constitutes exercise.

Walking is universally accepted as being a form of exercise

And 1hrs exercise maximum per day is universally accepted as all that is necessary per day.
Ask any qualified Personal Trainer.

As I mentioned before, you don't stop for lunch during exercise.

For a walk to be of any reasonable benefit, you should be walking at a faster pace than you would normally walk, if you can't sustain a fast paced walk for an hour, you're unlikely to be able to walk for 3hrs at a normal pace anyway. So only 1hrs exercise is all that is reasonably necessary.
 
The WHO now makes UK legislation?
What are you on about?
I was asked to provide a link to an official site that quotes a reasonable amount of time for exercise.
The WHO site is an official site and it quotes a reasonable amount of time for exercise.
I wasn't asked for UK legislation.
 
In my post yesterday (3.04pm) I set out the time line that was in the Times newspaper article that someone posted and related it two large events which, in the opinion of many, should not have gone ahead. On March 11th at Anfield 52,000 spectators..3000 from Madrid..watched a Champions League game between Liverpool and Atletico Madrid. Both the director of public health with the Liverpool council along with the mayor of Madrid said the fixture should not have gone ahead.(This is stated in the article link below)

Two days later the Cheltenham Races went ahead for 4 days attracting 250,000 + spectators and that also included race-goers from abroad, especially Ireland. I'd also posted at the time that these events were about to go ahead and said that we'd probably never know how many COVID-19 cases could be attributed to those attending either event and yesterday I'd said that there were reports from some attending Cheltenham Races that they'd contracted the virus. A friend, who I'd been discussing all this with has just sent me this Guardian article timed at 7.29pm this evening.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...eresting-hypothesis-says-government-scientist

In the last paragraph it states that in today's briefing Rishi Sunak said that 'lessons to be learnt for the future......and 'At every stage in this crisis we have been guided by the scientific advice and have been making the right decisions at the right time'

So..when it's all over and the dust has settled and the finger-pointing starts..(there's talk of an inquiry similar to that of the Leveson phone-hacking inquiry) I think we all know who will be in the firing line or more to the point, who won't .
 
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You have to wonder what's coming next. This catastrophic ..never seen before..oil price collapse has come about because of two factors. A brief oil price war between Russia and Saudi Arabia and the drop in demand by industry because of COVID-19.

This article is dated today at 4.14pm ET (US Eastern time) ie..here in the UK just 15 minutes ago.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/w...el-4-things-investors-need-to-know-2020-04-20
 
I don't follow every post in this thread so apologies if this has already been shared but this is well, shocking but depressingly not that unusual

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And 1hrs exercise maximum per day is universally accepted as all that is necessary per day.
Ask any qualified Personal Trainer.


What a load of nonsense, you really do make it up as you go along, as an example, I think every serious cyclist I know will do so for more than an hour a day when out on their bikes.

As I mentioned before, you don't stop for lunch during exercise.

No, you mean YOU don't, many people do. You are not getting it are you? Walking = exercise, depending on the person they could walk for an hour or two then stop for a break and then walk back to their car (another hour or two) which would be completely within the Regulations.

For a walk to be of any reasonable benefit, you should be walking at a faster pace than you would normally walk, if you can't sustain a fast paced walk for an hour, you're unlikely to be able to walk for 3hrs at a normal pace anyway. So only 1hrs exercise is all that is reasonably necessary.

Absolute nonsense, where you are again making assumptions based on your own personal preferences.

Do you think an elderly person is going to power walk at a fast pace? Or simply get their exercise at a sedate pace? What about an obese person just starting to exercise? A slow pace for an hour or two isn't unreasonable for them either.

You really do have an issue with seeing things other than from your own perceptions and viewpoint, don't you?
 
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What a load of nonsense, you really do make it up as you go along, as an example, I think every serious cyclist I know will do so for more than an hour a day when out on their bikes.



No, you mean YOU don't, many people do. You are not getting it are you? Walking = exercise, depending on the person they could walk for an hour or two then stop for a break and then walk back to their car (another hour or two) which would be completely within the Regulations.



Absolute nonsense, where you are again making assumptions based on your own personal preferences.

Do you think an elderly person is going to power walk at a fast pace? Or simply get their exercise at a sedate pace? What about an obese person just starting to exercise? A slow pace for an hour or two isn't unreasonable for them either.

You really do have an issue with seeing things other than from your own perceptions and viewpoint, don't you?

The whole idea of the lockdown is to stay inside with minimal reasonable excuses to go outside.
Shopping, going to work if you can't work from home, picking up medical supplies and taking exercise. How hard is that to understand. Just because your mates go cycling for more than an hour under normal conditions, it doesn't mean it is an acceptable or reasonable amount of time during the lockdown.
As I wrote before any personal trainer will tell you, no matter what sort of exercise you chose to do, one hour per day, is more than enough to maintain fitness, in fact you can also lose weight and build muscle during that time period. But seeing as we are in lockdown, any exercise taken only needs to maintain fitness and health, anything more is excessive and unnecessary, defeating the purpose of having a lockdown.
As I said before, if someone is incapable of a brisk walk for upto an hour, they are unlikely to be capable of a 3hr walk at normal pace. They'll be stopping more times than just for lunch.

I am not making assumptions nor basing anything on preferences. I am expressing knowledge on exercise, something that you obviously lack.
 
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The whole idea of the lockdown is to stay inside with minimal reasonable excuses to go outside..

No. I thought the idea was to reduce social contact and catching the disease.

We went for a bike ride Sunday. We were out for over an hour. It seemed busier than a normal weekend but that’s because no one can do anything else but was hardly busy. I could easily have kept off the busway cycle path and biked for 2 or 3 hours on a different route and passed less people. I could have gone for a walk around the fields and paths locally for 4 or 5 hours and passed even less than that. The time you spend outside is pretty irrelevant if you are not near anyone.
 
No, it's not. A court will interpret it basically, unlike you they don't add their opinion to the end of a law to change what it means.

You might have missed the start of this discussion, the NPCC actually used "Driving to countryside and walking (where far more time is spent walking than driving)" and "Stopping to rest or to eat lunch while on a long walk" as two of their examples of what they consider acceptable, it's pretty impossible for your opinion of what's reasonable to fit into either scenario.

If you stopped to rest and have lunch for 30-45 minutes whilst on a long walk, then the walk would need to be significantly longer (so 2-3 hours) to comply.

I trust we can both see the irony of you quoting the NPCC guidance in terms of compliance with the law after trashing my explanation of how guidance is used to help understand how a law should be interpreted and applied :-)

Especially as the NPCC guidance wanders away from full compliance with the law as it stands.
 
After looking into the law/guidance for exercise during the lockdown I can come up with a few ways to view it to suit my selfish wants, but with frontline staff dying trying to save lives I think I will use intelligence and continue with my reduction of personnel freedome.
 
No. I thought the idea was to reduce social contact and catching the disease.

We went for a bike ride Sunday. We were out for over an hour. It seemed busier than a normal weekend but that’s because no one can do anything else but was hardly busy. I could easily have kept off the busway cycle path and biked for 2 or 3 hours on a different route and passed less people. I could have gone for a walk around the fields and paths locally for 4 or 5 hours and passed even less than that. The time you spend outside is pretty irrelevant if you are not near anyone.
The more time you are out cycling, or walking across fields, the higher the risk of you having an accident and requiring hospital attention, possibly an ambulance to get you there.
A bit hard for you to social distance then. What do you think the Protect the NHS is all about.
I'd like to get back to work asap, I would like to get back to the gym asap, I would like life to return to normal asap and that isn't going to happen if people are going to act irresponsibly and selfishly, f*****g it up for everybody else.
 
“Millions of pieces of vital protective equipment are being shipped from British warehouses to Germany, Spain and Italy despite severe shortages in this country, The Telegraph can disclose.”

”On Monday night, UK firms said they had “no choice” but to keep selling the lifesaving gear abroad because their offers of help had been repeatedly ignored by the Government.”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...Echobox&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1587415471
 
No. I thought the idea was to reduce social contact and catching the disease.

We went for a bike ride Sunday. We were out for over an hour. It seemed busier than a normal weekend but that’s because no one can do anything else but was hardly busy. I could easily have kept off the busway cycle path and biked for 2 or 3 hours on a different route and passed less people. I could have gone for a walk around the fields and paths locally for 4 or 5 hours and passed even less than that. The time you spend outside is pretty irrelevant if you are not near anyone.

If everyone goes out for hours at a time then places like the busway path will be busy all the time.
That place is a disaster, cyclist and walkers far closer than is ideal at the moment.
I walk over those gravel pits all year round during the week, never seen the place so busy
I'm having trouble finding the quieter routes, I have done for now, but it's not been easy
 
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“Millions of pieces of vital protective equipment are being shipped from British warehouses to Germany, Spain and Italy despite severe shortages in this country, The Telegraph can disclose.”

”On Monday night, UK firms said they had “no choice” but to keep selling the lifesaving gear abroad because their offers of help had been repeatedly ignored by the Government.”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...Echobox&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1587415471

Just saw the same article.

Not only that but the PPE they said was arriving from Turkey on Sunday?

They only formally asked for it on Sunday afternoon.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavi...er-it-said-it-was-already-on-its-way-11976238

But yeah, the Govt are doing a great job.
 
I'm having trouble finding the quieter routes, I have done for now, but it's not been easy

Have to agree with that, one place I used to go quite often is now crammed with dog walkers etc. because it's easy to get too,
I have found a few more remote places to go
What others have to understand is that not everyone has a garden to sit in, some live in small flats, ideal in normal times but they feel isolated at the moment.
Getting out is not all about exercise, it's also about mental wellbeing, I can happily live without seeing anyone for days, but being cooped up inside is a different matter.
Spoke to one of my elderly neighbours yesterday, he has health problems so can't get out and he was not looking good, he is not coping well with being shut away, worrying about his health and no one to talk to
Last week we received a news letter from the management committee encouraging people to sit out in the communal gardens whilst maintaining social distancing, yesterday we had another stating that we could receive letters accusing people of anti social behaviour if they did just that and also threats of being reported to the police,
Not exactly going to help those that already feel lonely and isolated
 
Have to agree with that, one place I used to go quite often is now crammed with dog walkers etc. because it's easy to get too,
I have found a few more remote places to go
What others have to understand is that not everyone has a garden to sit in, some live in small flats, ideal in normal times but they feel isolated at the moment.
Getting out is not all about exercise, it's also about mental wellbeing, I can happily live without seeing anyone for days, but being cooped up inside is a different matter.
Spoke to one of my elderly neighbours yesterday, he has health problems so can't get out and he was not looking good, he is not coping well with being shut away, worrying about his health and no one to talk to
Last week we received a news letter from the management committee encouraging people to sit out in the communal gardens whilst maintaining social distancing, yesterday we had another stating that we could receive letters accusing people of anti social behaviour if they did just that and also threats of being reported to the police,
Not exactly going to help those that already feel lonely and isolated
Sitting in communal gardens while keeping distance seems OK to me. I don’t know how big the gardens are or how many residents but that could clearly be organised.
 
Sitting in communal gardens while keeping distance seems OK to me. I don’t know how big the gardens are or how many residents but that could clearly be organised.

Gardens are big, spread around the buildings with plenty of space for those who want to sit out, including a big area
in the centre, about 40 separate places, some terraced small houses and some flats, no actual private gardens, houses have a very small patio, enough for one table and a couple of chairs
 
“Millions of pieces of vital protective equipment are being shipped from British warehouses to Germany, Spain and Italy despite severe shortages in this country, The Telegraph can disclose.”

”On Monday night, UK firms said they had “no choice” but to keep selling the lifesaving gear abroad because their offers of help had been repeatedly ignored by the Government.”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...Echobox&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1587415471

It is a pity that these firms (anyone know their names) had not gone to the press before sending the kit abroad. At a time when PPE shortage is constantly in the news a story of that nature would have been a big headline.
 
It is a pity that these firms (anyone know their names) had not gone to the press before sending the kit abroad. At a time when PPE shortage is constantly in the news a story of that nature would have been a big headline.

Many of them have though, I've seen them on the bbc where people are getting in contact and when some government representative is queried they brush it off with a "get in touch". Some have even been getting in touch with their MPs locally in an attempt to make their stocks known
 
The more time you are out cycling, or walking across fields, the higher the risk of you having an accident and requiring hospital attention, possibly an ambulance to get you there.
A bit hard for you to social distance then. What do you think the Protect the NHS is all about.
I'd like to get back to work asap, I would like to get back to the gym asap, I would like life to return to normal asap and that isn't going to happen if people are going to act irresponsibly and selfishly, f*****g it up for everybody else.

Really?

So going for a 3 hour walk in isolation puts me at higher risk? What about the mental health risk of staying at home for some, that is potentially more of a burden on the NHS. If I stay at home I may do more DIY which increases the risk of an accident and said ambulance. Or, as we have seen from reports and supermarket shelves, I could just sit and drink more beer, which in turn increases the risk of me falling down the stairs! Or I could decide to bake more and increase the risk of cutting myself on a knife or burns from the oven.

I thought accidents are more likely to happen at home too! And with us all in the home more that will increase. The kids are already bored and beating the crap out of each other when my back is turned, which again could lead to an accident. Yes, all of us driving to a busy beach is not good (and a bit pointless as nothing is open) but a 3 hour walk in the country is probably a smaller risk than being cooped up at home!
 
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