The virus. PPE. Part 1

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Uncle Fester said:
As I said my comprehension of this subject is incredibly limited and if I’m wrong, I’m happy to hold my hands up and say so.

My post was based on reading articles such as this:

https://www.researchgate.net/post/Is_a_combo_of_chloroquine_and_Zinc_a_cure_for_coronavirus


‘Recent studies from Oklahoma Medical Research Foundation, University of Queensland Centre for Clinical Research, and Qingdao Municipal Hospital identified that Chloroquine phosphate, a drug used for the treatment of malaria, chikungunya fever, Zika virus, and HIV, is shown to be effective against COVID-19”

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“Several studies have reported that zinc has a broad-spectrum antiviral activity against a variety of viruses. Increased intracellular Zinc concentrations inhibit RNA-dependent RNA polymerases and other proteins essential for the completion of different phases of the virus life cycle. Further, zinc also helps to maintain robust immune responses by producing cytokine and by modulation of immune cell activity. Both the drugs are FDA approved and are readily available.‘
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My knowledge of this is also extremely limited. Most of those studies are pre Covid-19. The main study, which is still ongoing and results will not be known until the end of April.
 
woof woof said:
Once this is over I think we also need to look at what's happened and how we can do better next time as sadly there may be a next time. If we need new hospitals sitting almost empty (in normal times) with a ventilator at every bad and boxes of spare ppe in every cupboard then so be it but I think we also need to take a long hard and honest look at how tests and equipment can be introduced into the system quicker when need be.
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You mean like this?
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Af6b_wyiwI
 
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jeff127 said:
What do people here make of this article? Could make for interesting reading
https://bylinetimes.com/2020/03/31/...applaud-the-nhs-they-ideologically-oppose-it/
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Donnie said:
In line with keeping factual, an opinion piece in an unknown publication on the net thats clearly there as an anti Tory machine, I gave it exactly what I deserved and ignored it. THIS is the kind of crap that woof woof would be quite right in attacking and I would join him in that frankly despite my own anti tory feelings. But facts trump all politics in my view.
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Donnie is quite right to take this article with a shovelful of salt. It looks and smells like propaganda.

That said, you only have to look at how the Tory party has changed from the years of Heath, to Thatcher to the austerity era of Cameron and Osborne and the vilification of benefit claimants with the ‘strivers and shirkers’ rhetoric loudly proclaimed by government and the Tory press to see if the sentiments in your linked article are plausible or not.
 
AndrewFlannigan said:
I prefer to be described as an agnostic. Just think how annoying it would be to an atheist if one day they found out that god believes in them! :wideyed: :naughty:
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Decisions have consequences, be sure of your decision and possible outcome before making it. Won't get into why I made my decision re God but I do believe Jesus or similar existed but wasn't Son of God, guess we'd better not take it any further. I understand some believe and that's fine by me. One of us will be right and one won't :)
We may find out sooner than we thought a few weeks ago.
 
JohnC6 said:
Is this just another misleading suggestion ?
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Yes. This guy is just 'discovering' the usual conspiracy theories. The text he displays from the Wuhan Institute of Virology site doesn't support what he is saying in the video. Shi Zhengli is a highly respected researcher who has been working on zoonotic coronaviruses from bats since the first SARS virus emerged. It's therefore hardly surprising that the website mentions cross-species infections. The 'missing' student seems to have worked there 5 years ago on an unrelated project. The claim that infected bats were sold to the market by the Institute is clearly nonsense.
 
jakeblu said:
My knowledge of this is also extremely limited. Most of those studies are pre Covid-19. The main study, which is still ongoing and results will not be known until the end of April.
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Thanks.

I’ll read through the link you provided.

No doubt, the more I read, the more I realise that I know even less than I thought, which was precious little to begin with...
 
AndrewFlannigan said:
I prefer to be described as an agnostic. Just think how annoying it would be to an atheist if one day they found out that god believes in them! :wideyed: :naughty:
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In my childhood I used to say I was an agnostic but I found people were saying “oh, so you don’t know what to believe?” or similar insulting remarks. So I decided atheist was the the correct description, after all there are lots of thing I “believe“ don’t exist but I don’t go around saying I’m not sure about them. I also quite like “freethinker” which used to be a common term :)
 
Peter10d said:
The figure I posted showed 202617 recovered. The recovered figure you have just posted has a difference of 10 recovered. The top figure you show is the total cases of recovered and active. So what exactly is your point?
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Ive removed my post within 60 seconds of realising that you sort of posted the global.
It was however the exact lack of clarity which led me to ask for some context in the first place. That was the point.
 
Donnie said:
Ive removed my post within 60 seconds of realising that you sort of posted the global.
It was however the exact lack of clarity which led me to ask for some context in the first place. That was the point.
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I would have thought 200,000 recoveries were fairly obvious that it was neither the UK, US or anywhere else other than Global[emoji848].
I was attempting to post some positive news on this forum hoping that it would be a change to the constant bickering that seems to be a daily occurrence.
 
sphexx said:
Don’t remember dogs but I remember cats being at least alleged to be sold/served as rabbits and much discussion of how to spot them — kidney position I think was the favourite, so I presume they were headless.
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I can remember several Indian and Chinese takeaways / restaurants in the Ilford, Manor Park areas of East London after the bodies of cats and dogs found hanging in kitchens. I believe it was triggered by the mysterious disappearance of a lot of pets.
Worryingly there has been a spree of dog thefts in Essex and Kent of late, wouldn't be surprised if the same in other areas of the country, but that could just be for dog fights.
 
Peter10d said:
I would have thought 200,000 recoveries were fairly obvious that it was neither the UK, US or anywhere else other than Global[emoji848].
I was attempting to post some positive news on this forum hoping that it would be a change to the constant bickering that seems to be a daily occurrence.
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Look Im not looking to have an argument, nor am I bickering, I had to go hunting to see exactly what you were posting, where the figures derived and what you were trying to put across. As I say it was ambiguous at best and when I realised what you were saying (because it initially came across as being older figures) I removed my post very quickly. I also decided not to post any further re it's ambiguity lest it look like bickering to some, that was a conscious decision.
 
Donnie said:
Look Im not looking to have an argument, nor am I bickering, I had to go hunting to see exactly what you were posting, where the figures derived and what you were trying to put across. As I say it was ambiguous at best and when I realised what you were saying (because it initially came across as being older figures) I removed my post very quickly. I also decided not to post any further re it's ambiguity lest it look like bickering to some, that was a conscious decision.
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Ok we will now draw a line in this one and I will try to make my posts clearer in future.
 
Retune said:
Citation needed.
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I did say alleged in my post, I agree with your implied suggestion that it could be urban myth/racism but I wouldn’t be surprised if were true for some Chinese — they wouldn’t see anything wrong with it much like the Carp and, I think, Swan predation more recently (not by a Chinese). Ditto really for, say, Italians and thrushes (which I have eaten in Italy) my Italian ex used to take shooting parties of Italians to shoots in U.K. and had great difficulty on occasion persuading them not to blast everything on sight :).
 
Carp were introduced to the UK as food items. Swans are just pretty geese. In Crete (and probably other areas) rabbits are sold skinned and beheaded but with the feet intact and unskinned, probably to prove they're Flopsy not Felix...
 
woof woof said:
One report said that the request to join had sat in a junior officials in tray unnoticed until it was too late. We'll probably never get the truth and even if we've already had it a large section of society wont accept anything less than the fact that Boris got the email, wiped his backside on it and threw it away in a mad Brexit moment.

We are where we are and I do wonder what's to be gained by the constant scape goat hunting* and foil hat conspiracy theories unless "we" want to believe the various theories and want to find someone suitably tory to hang draw and quarter in public. And my opinion on this would be the same if comrade Corbyn was the one in the self isolated hot seat.

*pick the guy/gal you want to crucify over this and the family you want to smash.
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Minutes of the meetings show that we had representatives in 8 meetings, 4 of which were about procurement. I can't imagine we ended up being in the minutes, without actually being there.
 
Nod said:
Carp were introduced to the UK as food items. Swans are just pretty geese. In Crete (and probably other areas) rabbits are sold skinned and beheaded but with the feet intact and unskinned, probably to prove they're Flopsy not Felix...
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Absolutely, but some anglers are a bit precious about big carp (which are very tasty :)) and the Queen cries whenever someone eats one of her swans :). I tend to think cats might be fair game too since I think the Law does not regard them as property :).
 
Nod said:
Carp were introduced to the UK as food items. Swans are just pretty geese. In Crete (and probably other areas) rabbits are sold skinned and beheaded but with the feet intact and unskinned, probably to prove they're Flopsy not Felix...
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Kidneys give it away too I believe. In a fools and horses voice, during the war some dodgy butchers used to remove them so you couldn't tell what the animal was, or so my dad says.
 
MatBin said:
Kidneys give it away too I believe. In a fools and horses voice, during the war some dodgy butchers used to remove them so you couldn't tell what the animal was, or so my dad says.
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Indeed, as I mentioned, but it’s a bit hard to believe many/any cats were eaten here during WW2 as rabbits were so plentiful.
 
Apparently he had a heart transplant in 2003, shows how much that operation had come on, was a time when 5 year survival was good.
 
Retune said:
Citation needed.
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This appears to trace back to Metro/Daily Mail stories with no supporting evidence that seem to trace back in turn to a BBC3 programme's claims based on a story from Rio de Janeiro. As is so often the case with such material the element of truth is questionable at best. Verification is probably impossible.
 
MatBin said:
Kidneys give it away too I believe. In a fools and horses voice, during the war some dodgy butchers used to remove them so you couldn't tell what the animal was, or so my dad says.
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My wife's family said there was a suspicion during the war that a local pie maker in the New Forest vicinity was making 'pony' pies & selling them as beef......not that anyone would try and pass off horse meat as beef these days would they.........
 
Dartmoor Zoo supply their big cats and those of some of the other local zoos/wildlife parks with Dartmoor pony meat. Not as if it's bat or pangolin...
 
Apart from being one of man's best friends, horse meat is presumably OK to eat - they feed off the same stuff as cows. Or am I wrong again?
 
Al1944 said:
Or am I wrong again?
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Probably not. My friend who moved to France in the 1990s tells me that it's very popular and he's aquired a taste for it.
 
Al1944 said:
horse meat is presumably OK to eat
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Its quite expensive in France .
Well it was anyway, I've not been there for sometime though.
Sold in the meat section wrapped just as neatly as you would a sirlion ( etc) steak (y)

An "older" acquaintance claims he was selling feral cats as rabbit to his local Chinese.
Skinned an gutted of course.
"Apparently" the only way to tell them apart once "dressed" was the position of the kidneys.
One day he left a pair in... That was the end of that little scam.
Having never field dressed a cat I suspect he was telling the truth, but there is always a little doubt ;)
 
Al1944 said:
Apart from being one of man's best friends, horse meat is presumably OK to eat - they feed off the same stuff as cows. Or am I wrong again?
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Horse meat is eaten in several countries, including France and Iceland, there's nothing wrong with it. It used to be eaten in the UK too. What is wrong is passing it off as beef...
 
Donnie said:
I thought horse was a delicacy / staple food in France or is that an urban myth?
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ate it many times in France, it's actually very nice, I doubt you would be able to tell it from prime beef.
 
Another 569 deaths in UK hospitals. We are likely to pass China by the weekend. It took Italy about 6 days to go from ~1000 deaths to ~3000. It has taken us about 5 days.

View: https://BANNED/DHSCgovuk/status/1245697879311814656
 
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