The virus. PPE. Part 1

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nilagin said:
What about if you eat them? I can remember back in the 80's, many takeaways in this country caught with cat and dog bodies hanging up in their kitchens.
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WTF !
 
broc said:
You would have to run fast to catch a race horse.......
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A friend of mine, a few years ago had a brilliant idea, he was breeding chickens with 4 legs so everyone in his family got a drumstick.
I asked him how do they taste ..
Dunno he said I've never been able to catch one
( sorry :coat: )
 
Two people in my road seem to be having trouble with the concept of only going out if necessary.
One is a single mum, she's unemployed, but she has a car, which normally only moves once a week. This week it has moved at least 3 times and has been gone for most of the day each time.
The other is a bloke, also unemployed, doesn't own a car as such, but seems to keep borrowing cars from someone for a period of time, before swapping it for another car. Not sure why he needs the car as it then just sits unmoved, sometimes for over a week. He's been out in it 3 days this week, yesterday he went out twice, this morning he's been out in it
Retune said:
Citation needed.
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It would have been Ilford Recorder or their local version of the Yellow Advertiser.
 
broc said:
My wife's family said there was a suspicion during the war that a local pie maker in the New Forest vicinity was making 'pony' pies & selling them as beef......not that anyone would try and pass off horse meat as beef these days would they.........
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Well now if you remember the recent horse meat/beef ’scandal’, farmers of my acquaintance (North Yorkshire) thought that it was OK because there was ‘cow beef’ and horse beef’ :). I have to say that these are people who never normally refer to cattle generally as ’cows’ but as ‘beasts’ and it is true that ‘beef’ is of Norman French origin so I’m prepared to give them the benefit of the doubt :). I’m OK with eating horse eat anyway — I’ve never owned a horse though :).
 
broc said:
Even if we get the fantastic increases in the numbers of ventilators as promised, will the hospitals have enough oxygen to support them all? I read a report this morning suggesting this could be the next limiting factor in the saga....

https://www.theguardian.com/society...l-almost-runs-out-oxygen-coronavirus-patients

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11309861/london-hospital-brink-out-of-oxygen-coronavirus-ventilators/
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They didn't seem to have any trouble getting hold of oxygen fo
broc said:
Even if we get the fantastic increases in the numbers of ventilators as promised, will the hospitals have enough oxygen to support them all? I read a report this morning suggesting this could be the next limiting factor in the saga....

https://www.theguardian.com/society...l-almost-runs-out-oxygen-coronavirus-patients

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11309861/london-hospital-brink-out-of-oxygen-coronavirus-ventilators/
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I can't see that there would be a shortage, there are alot of industries that also use oxygen that have closed down as a result of being non essential. I wonder if it's just a case of someone forgot to order a top up.
 
Donnie said:
In line with keeping factual, an opinion piece in an unknown publication on the net thats clearly there as an anti Tory machine, I gave it exactly what I deserved and ignored it. THIS is the kind of crap that woof woof would be quite right in attacking and I would join him in that frankly despite my own anti tory feelings. But facts trump all politics in my view.
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Well said. This is no time for cheap jibes aimed at politicians or parties. All such drivel is tedious and irrelevant.
 
nilagin said:
They didn't seem to have any trouble getting hold of oxygen fo
I can't see that there would be a shortage, there are alot of industries that also use oxygen that have closed down as a result of being non essential. I wonder if it's just a case of someone forgot to order a top up.
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Try reading the article & see what NHS England is telling the trusts....

What the Guardian reported

"The incident, which occurred at a London teaching hospital last weekend, has prompted NHS bosses to urgently warn all NHS trusts in England to limit the number of people they put on mechanical ventilators and continuous positive airway pressure (CPAP) machines.

The warning highlights how the dramatic recent increase in hospitals’ use of ventilators and in particular CPAP machines, which dispense ventilation through a face mask, has brought with it those two main risks of a sudden and potentially very serious oxygen shortage. CPAP machines involve non-invasive assisted ventilation, whereas a mechanical ventilator does all the work and is particularly useful when the patient has lost the ability to breathe for themselves.

The letter says: “If the demand through multiple wall outlets [for wall-mounted CPAP machines] exceeds the maximum capacity of the VIE delivery system, there is a risk of rapid pressure drop in oxygen supply pipes.

“This could lead to a failure of oxygen delivery systems throughout the hospital, including to patients on face masks, CPAP, ventilators and [in] operating theatres. There is also a risk of rapid and unpredictable depletion of the VIE [storage tank].

“Both of these situations present a potentially significant risk to multiple patients simultaneously.”
 
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Cobra said:
Its quite expensive in France .
Well it was anyway, I've not been there for sometime though.
Sold in the meat section wrapped just as neatly as you would a sirlion ( etc) steak (y)

An "older" acquaintance claims he was selling feral cats as rabbit to his local Chinese.
Skinned an gutted of course.
"Apparently" the only way to tell them apart once "dressed" was the position of the kidneys.
One day he left a pair in... That was the end of that little scam.
Having never field dressed a cat I suspect he was telling the truth, but there is always a little doubt ;)
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to keep photography :) , there are or used to specialist horsemeat butchers inParis, horse head ‘statue’ over the door, because I remember seeing them in photographs.
 
broc said:
My wife's family said there was a suspicion during the war that a local pie maker in the New Forest vicinity was making 'pony' pies & selling them as beef......not that anyone would try and pass off horse meat as beef these days would they.........
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Since NF and other native ponies are not so popular for riding these days it would be good to use selected ones for meat — make it possible to keep up the numbers of the breeding stock.

Edit; apologies to @myotis , didn’t see his post till after :(
 
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Cobra said:
A friend of mine, a few years ago had a brilliant idea, he was breeding chickens with 4 legs so everyone in his family got a drumstick.
I asked him how do they taste ..
Dunno he said I've never been able to catch one
( sorry :coat: )
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Someone must be catching them, have you never noticed that there is always more chicken legs than chicken breasts for sale in the supermarkets? Even Kentucky Fried Chicken was always wings or legs but very little breast pieces. ;)
 
broc said:
Try reading the article & see what NHS England is telling the trusts....

What the Guardian reported

"The incident, which occurred at a London teaching hospital last weekend, has prompted NHS bosses to urgently warn all NHS trusts in England to limit the number of people they put on mechanical ventilators and continuous positive airway pressure (CPAP) machines.

The warning highlights how the dramatic recent increase in hospitals’ use of ventilators and in particular CPAP machines, which dispense ventilation through a face mask, has brought with it those two main risks of a sudden and potentially very serious oxygen shortage. CPAP machines involve non-invasive assisted ventilation, whereas a mechanical ventilator does all the work and is particularly useful when the patient has lost the ability to breathe for themselves.

The letter says: “If the demand through multiple wall outlets [for wall-mounted CPAP machines] exceeds the maximum capacity of the VIE delivery system, there is a risk of rapid pressure drop in oxygen supply pipes.

“This could lead to a failure of oxygen delivery systems throughout the hospital, including to patients on face masks, CPAP, ventilators and [in] operating theatres. There is also a risk of rapid and unpredictable depletion of the VIE [storage tank].

“Both of these situations present a potentially significant risk to multiple patients simultaneously.”
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Yes I read it. Just because the hospitals are using more than they normally would, it doesn't mean there is a supply problem, it could be someone forgot to check or thought the amount they had left in the tanks would be enough to see them through the weekend. As I said there will be alot of industries that use oxygen, that will have had to temporarily close down, they won't require their normal supplies so it can be diverted to hospitals instead.
 
Retune said:
And why is nobody appalled by the grotesque genetic experiment that gave the world Buffalo Wings?
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Did it give the world buffalo wings, or did it give the buffalo wings, if the latter, they were too small to have been of any use to the buffalo anyway. ;)
 
nilagin said:
Did it give the world buffalo wings, or did it give the buffalo wings, if the latter, they were too small to have been of any use to the buffalo anyway. ;)
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Everyone knows Red Bull gives you wings
 
sphexx said:
Oh! I thought it was punishment for producing too much CO2 and producing global crisis threatening His creation :).
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When I come across this sort of thing I wonder why there aren't basic sanity tests for both standing in an election and voting.

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NeilA1975 said:
Only if you believe what the CCP tells you - their stats appear highly suspicious.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...xtent-of-virus-outbreak-u-s-intelligence-says
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I think any so called facts that are unverifiable need to be judged with caution. I'd hoped that the proliferation of fake news over the last few years would have made people more skeptical. I personally don't know if China is under reporting its figures, I have no proof one way or the other. To be honest in all likelihood only the CCP know the true numbers.
 
Writing off NHS debt is just a bit of a charade isn't it?

If I owe myself £100 and I write it off, I'm not £100 better off.
 
jakeblu said:
I think any so called facts that are unverifiable need to be judged with caution. I'd hoped that the proliferation of fake news over the last few years would have made people more skeptical. I personally don't know if China is under reporting its figures, I have no proof one way or the other. To be honest in all likelihood only the CCP know the true numbers.
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I’m not sure the CCP will know either. We know what it was like in Stalin‘s Russia, that it was risky to bring bad news, and so on. Actually it’s even true in Trump’s US, his henchmen are careful to praise him and not contradict him tough it’s true they only risk losing their jobs rather than lives or liberty.
 
dont know which was funnier Hancocks half hour or tonights remake of Hancocks half hour ,the wife dont know either she fell asleep :naughty::naughty: from boredom
 
I work for a company on a contract with BOC, I can assure you there is no shortage of oxygen, we have been moving cylinders all over the country for the past 3 weeks, and BOC have ramped up production of oxygen to facilitate the current issue.
 
Bobsyeruncle said:
I think you know the answer to that....:)
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Well sort of. I haven't read up on this write off yet but are the government paying those debts for the NHS? As far as I'm aware, the only ones who can write off debts are those to whom the debts are owed. Is the NHS in £13.4b in debt to the government?
 
Cobra said:
Its quite expensive in France .
Well it was anyway, I've not been there for sometime though.
Sold in the meat section wrapped just as neatly as you would a sirlion ( etc) steak (y)

An "older" acquaintance claims he was selling feral cats as rabbit to his local Chinese.
Skinned an gutted of course.
"Apparently" the only way to tell them apart once "dressed" was the position of the kidneys.
One day he left a pair in... That was the end of that little scam.
Having never field dressed a cat I suspect he was telling the truth, but there is always a little doubt ;)
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My mother shared an allotment with a guy who'd been in the navy during WW2 - supposedly their ships cook had offered him 'rabbit' that was really cat. It's a story I remember hearing when I was a kid. Certainly in the mid 70s we'd have a nice little racist joke at school about the recently opened Chinese restaurants eating cats & dogs, but I've seen no hard evidence for it and suspect racism is all it really was.

nilagin said:
Yes I read it. Just because the hospitals are using more than they normally would, it doesn't mean there is a supply problem, it could be someone forgot to check or thought the amount they had left in the tanks would be enough to see them through the weekend. As I said there will be alot of industries that use oxygen, that will have had to temporarily close down, they won't require their normal supplies so it can be diverted to hospitals instead.
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I'm pretty sure the hospitals are NOT running out of oxygen - whoever wrote that article didn't understand what they were told - but their oxygen delivery system simply can't keep up with a higher than design demand. In an earlier age a simple fix would be an oxygen cylinder to go with each bed/appliance, but now everything has to be centrally controlled with electronic changeover etc and so that's not likely to happen.

KitsuneAndy said:
Writing off NHS debt is just a bit of a charade isn't it?

If I owe myself £100 and I write it off, I'm not £100 better off.
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In the early-mid 2000s I installed a semi-automated analyser system in a hospital in Bristol (Filton? It's a while back) that was £12M in debt then. I had understood at the time they owed it to suppliers, but perhaps that was not correct? Since it's topical, at that time in the medical devices industry there was a real problem with delay between delivering kit & getting paid. The UK was relatively good, but in Italy it could be fully 2 years, France & Germany IIRC was more than a year.
 
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